Persephone wrote...
Some questions:
1) Why do you care about Eamon so much? (Enough to kill someone, anyway)
2) Read "The Calling" to find out why the Wardens being accused of treason is very plausible. (They committed treason before) Have you played Soldier's Peak and seen their treachery?
3) Do you have proof of his "tacitly accepting what happens in Howe's dungeons"?
1) I don't either particuarly care or like Eamon. His obsession with the importance of royal blood is almost as much an albatross as Loghain's obsession w/ Orlais. I normally kill Loghain bc/ I feel his crimes outside of what happened at Ostagar deserve such a punishment. Perhaps it is a flaw in the game, but he does *not* show any contrition at all during the Landsmeet even when confronted with them and remains defiant even after he loses. My warden's only exposure to any hint to the depth of his character happens only after he is bested in the duel where he accepts his punishment with dignity. There are plenty of reasons to kill him independent of whatever people think of Ostagar or Eamon.
2) Yes, I know the Wardens have committed treachery in the past. What I have issue with is that they did not commit treachery and Loghain damn well knows this. It was Cailan who dragged Loghain to Ostagar, not the Wardens. It was Loghain's plan that failed spectacularly, not the Wardens. As a historian, I can appreciate Loghain's distrust of centuries old tales. What I can not accept is his using them as scapegoats and branding them as traitors to consolidate his hold on power.
3) Proof? No. But to argue or assume he is ignorant or innocent is very dubious. I'm not one for blaming rhetoric, but his initial speech at the Landsmeet where he said he would tolerate no threat do not seem to be empty words at all. He poisoned Eamon. Bodan (the camp merchant, I think that's his name) tells you he ambushed a Bann under a flag of truce. He also tells you Loghain made an example of another noble who did not fall into line. The gossipers tell more of Loghain's infringement of the Ferelden nobles' sovereignty. When Anora pleads with him to do something other than fighting Ferelden nobles, what do you think he means by first "bringing the nobility into line"? His conduct and edicts bred an atmosphere where Howe could do as he pleased - you remember him saying, "Just get it done," right? His alliance w/ Howe is also indicative of his blind eye or tactic acceptance; if he cared about such things, then would he not be a little be a bit curious why Howe took over Highever before making him a trusted advisor? I've studied enough history to know that virtually all the pious claims of "I didn't know," are fantasy. But in the end, as Loghain is a soldier, he knows that as a soldier, he is responsible for the conduct of those under his command. This principle and responsibility of command has crossed both cultures and time. Leaders, both political and military, are held accountable for the deeds done by those in their service. Loghain's shirking of this reponsibility at the Landsmeet when you confront him about Howe was disappointing - as he is a soldier, I expected better than the trite claim of ignorence.
Edit: I should say I dont find Loghain morally repugnant or dont like him as a character. On the contrary, I think Loghain is an excellent character. In every playthrough, my Warden has done things in the name of expediency, revenge, and what not that makes a moral comparison something akin to the pot calling the kettle black. But Loghain is, unfortunately, not a very good political leader whose lack of experience and personal demons have prompted him to do things even he, unfortunately only after being militarily defeated, admits are dead wrong. Had his conduct at the Landsmeet demonstrated more of the depth of character he actually has, then it would be easier for my wardens to follow on Riorden's suggestion.
Modifié par Joy Divison, 03 février 2011 - 06:31 .
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