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[dunniteowl]

I believe Eguintir has a very valid point and the one snippet was not "quote mined" by the way, manageri.  That was wholly unjustified to remark.  It was quoted in full at the OP and as such a comment on part of it later is not out of context or considered to be quote mining.  At least not any more than adding highlights to a passage to indicate the portion you have issue with in a post.

For this reason, I concede and can see that Eguintir's point is that this is exactly what this -- person -- is doing.  It's not okay to say, "Only a retard would like this," as you mentioned, just as it's not okay to denigrate everyone else that doesn't agree with your vote by directly calling them mindless sheep with no imaginations.

I would take exception to that at any given point in time as I rightly (and anyone else with a smidgin of self respect) should. 

That said, you gotta shrug off the trolls and smile (of course, they don't know you're about to set fire to them) and realize that what they have to say pretty much allows anyone else who comes along to say, without question or equivocation -- what an ass -- the moment they read this ignoramus' ranting.

I always thought free speech was twofold.  It allows us to speak out against those things we don't like without fear of reprisal and it also allows us to know, loud and clear, the idiots we would all be better off to avoid in the first place, because they have the same rights.  When you can speak your mind, it's easy for someone with half a mind to essentially point out their own mental shortcomings for all passers by.

I think it's pretty much what we have to observe in this particular instance.

dunniteowl

[Damien Jnr]

E.E.
As they say "it takes two to Tango". Most of us partnered well with your idea, tripped the light fandango and commented (as well as voted) accordingly. A tiny minority (should that be "a singular minority" or possibly "a minor:sick:"?) commented as they thought, showing the two of you didn't match. Their loss.
That the comments were rather offensive to some, I am not your friend:D, and of course to yourself , we just have to put up with. As DNO states, free speech has a price.
Think of what happened as a bump in the road, gone in second and forgotten about. Then think again and imagine he was that bump and you just crushed his nuts with your tyre:devil:.
Cheers
Damien Jnr

P.S. Don't forget part II. After all this we demand.

[nicethugbert]

I think darant, or whatever, should be highly praised and thanked profusely for making the case for Islander, or cursed, as it may be. After all, who wants to play a module highly rated by the likes of darrant, or whatever it's called. It's just as likely he didn't finish the module even if he did like it. Who knows, maybe he swooned too vigorously for his own good?

Dear dear preciouse, Darmant, er Darthmint, whatever you spawn of  ....

Modifié par nicethugbert, 25 janvier 2011 - 09:13 .

[Quixal]

On reading durant's many comments on the Edinmoor submission, I am inclined to think his/her puppy just died or something. He seemed perfectly reasonable even when doling out criticism over there. Everyone has bad days. Not everyone inflicts them on others and sabotages the work of others when they have bad days but still... I am backing off of my previous position and saying this is out of character.

[Eguintir Eligard]

Clearly Durant is one of his friends, because the Edinmoor submission was stupid pathetic and only a brain-dead vegetable with bipolar attention deficit dyslexia would vote a 9 for that campaign. In all the history of all modules I have played (and I have played them all) I have never been forced to not watch cut scenes, use my imagination, or have to do any mouse clicking whatsoever.

I'm voting this a -100 as a service to humanity as I am greatly concerned that you mind-addled goats might actually make a decision for yourself, and I the self appointed guardian of the internet will choose for you. <_<


Even in sarcasm that is incredibly offensive and not that far from the truth.

I'll just take it up with the mods. It's my vault page and I won't have people who are doing me the service of playing my game be called idiots or brainless by anyone. Why should they have to listen to this? Exactly.

Bert I was kind of thinking the same thing as you, when 1 person says something completely stupid and votes accordingly among a myriad of good replies, it can have that effect. That sucks for edinmoor though, cause that's a good mod I played myself.

Modifié par Eguintir Eligard, 25 janvier 2011 - 09:45 .

[Dorateen]

Eguintir Eligard wrote...

Clearly Durant is one of his friends...

Dwarves don't have friends!

(Just carefully selected allies.)

Harumph!

[kevL]

The first refuge of the hypocrite is to accuse others of what he himself is guilty of.



( this comes from years of experience .. with the 'dark' side ):

don't let the dark side get you down, EE

[manageri]

dunniteowl wrote...

I believe Eguintir has a very valid point and the one snippet was not "quote mined" by the way, manageri.  That was wholly unjustified to remark.  It was quoted in full at the OP and as such a comment on part of it later is not out of context or considered to be quote mining.  At least not any more than adding highlights to a passage to indicate the portion you have issue with in a post.

Ok, I agree quote mining wasn't the most accurate or fair term to use there since the full post was quoted in the OP, but he still took that part of the sentence out of context, which completely changed it's meaning, and made a point based on that. Compare:
"mindless sheep players with a lack of social interaction"
To:
"I can't imagine such a high vote except from mindless sheep players with a lack of social interaction who like to be controlled every step of the way."

One statement is meant to insult people, the other is to criticize the mod. You don't get to take the statement that criticizes the mod, edit it, and claim someone is just randomly insulting people.

For this reason, I concede and can see that Eguintir's point is that this is exactly what this -- person -- is doing.  It's not okay to say, "Only a retard would like this," as you mentioned, just as it's not okay to denigrate everyone else that doesn't agree with your vote by directly calling them mindless sheep with no imaginations.

There's a difference between calling people mindless sheep and saying some product is for mindless sheep, and there's a difference between what kind of criticism makes you a dick when talking about a person and a product, at least in my book. If the guy had not been talking about the mod but just throwing random insults at people, I'd be saying he's just a troll too. The fact is though that he was criticizing the mod so if his comment was to be deleted from the vault I'd find that more objectionable by far than what he said.

[Eguintir Eligard]

Whenever someone does something completely uncalled for there is always one person even worse, because they will stand up there and try to take any side they can for whatever reason for that person. Socially, I call this defense attorney syndrome. Manageri says he's not justifying it but look how many replies hes written to try and defend him.

While you are accusing people of quote mining, maybe you should stop mining me and leaving out the parts where he called the entire project stupid and pathetic. Or you can keep arguing over punctuation and sentence structure, which you seem to be enjoying. Pretty much reinforces the point that when you can't refute the crime, you ramble on about details. Like I said, defense attorney syndrome.

And if you are going to do that, be good at it at least.

"mindless sheep players with a lack of social interaction"
To:
"I
can't imagine such a high vote except from mindless sheep players with a
lack of social interaction who like to be controlled every step of the
way."

One statement is meant to insult people, the other is to
criticize the mod.

Not it isn't. It insults every player who has voted to date. What part of "a high vote except from mindless sheep"  do you plan to create a 3 paragraph speil on to make it sound good now?

You don't get to take the statement that criticizes
the mod, edit it, and claim someone is just randomly insulting people.

But you do right? Always so quick to point out what we can and can't do here while defending idiocy like this. Your post is more offensive than your "client's" in the way you try and act like you are the only one with a grasp of english, hoping if you talk circles around it long enough people will stop caring and stop arguing. The problem is, as I've seen from you in other threads, you take a lack of desire to argue forever as you being right every time.

Modifié par Eguintir Eligard, 25 janvier 2011 - 10:31 .

[nicethugbert]

By durant's own admission, his mind sees no possibility for such a high vote for Islander "EXCEPT from mindless sheep players with a lack of social interaction who like to be controlled every step of the way", emphasis mine.

If his mind see no other possibility then why should we ascribe any other to his own words? His statement clearly references BOTH the module and those who rate it highly in uncompromising, unmitigated, unflattering language. Why should we assume otherwise?

Modifié par nicethugbert, 25 janvier 2011 - 10:28 .

[Eguintir Eligard]

Why should menageri comprehend what he's reading while telling the rest of us we can't ?

Bert you wrote that when I did, we made the same point but ya it's true. I am not the one being called a mindless sheep, so like I said case closed. I'll take it up with the vault mod, and see if we can get that set to just "vote 1/blank comment" which is sufficient resolution to me.

Modifié par Eguintir Eligard, 25 janvier 2011 - 10:42 .

[Shallina]

he didn't like it but played it to the end isn't he ?



Then it couldn't have been to bad.



Also you have to keep in mind that doing "open" mod is clearly more work than a linear one. When a modder make something functional, even if it's 100% linear it's al ready really good

[Eguintir Eligard]

he did not play it to the end, as I said before.

And the mod is open. Wide open for the entire first half.

Everything he mentioned happens within like 10 minutes of the game. And its actually, as I said, the opposite of what happens, which shows he in no way even played the game. I'm not going to get into it other than to say it's the opposite of what the game is (specifically, his comment about non stop cut scenes. I don't even like cut scenes and did as few as humanly possible, and even posted how I'm avoiding them on my blog many times). It's a complete and utter nonsense comment that is in no way useful to anyone. There's 3 rest cut scenes. The next 2 are 6 hours a part. There is literally nothing of value in his comment, and definitely insults.

Modifié par Eguintir Eligard, 25 janvier 2011 - 10:41 .

[manageri]

Eguintir Eligard wrote...

Whenever someone does something completely uncalled for there is always one person even worse, because they will stand up there and try to take any side they can for whatever reason for that person. Socially, I call this defense attorney syndrome. Manageri says he's not justifying it but look how many replies hes written to try and defend him.

I'm not interested in your made up syndromes and the other crap you're throwing at me, respond to what I've said or I'm not gonna bother talking to you.

While you are accusing people of quote mining, maybe you should stop mining me

What did I quote mine from you?

and leaving out the parts where he called the entire project stupid and pathetic.

And this matter because...? If you're trying to show me he's just insulting people then why are you bringing up stuff he said about the mod?

Or you can keep arguing over punctuation and sentence structure

I know you're not 5 years old so it's not possible you don't understand why leaving out parts of a sentence can completely alter its meaning. If you wan't to pretend you are 5 years old then tell me now and I can play along and stop trying to have an adult conversation with you.

"mindless sheep players with a lack of social interaction"
To:
"I
can't imagine such a high vote except from mindless sheep players with a
lack of social interaction who like to be controlled every step of the
way."

One statement is meant to insult people, the other is to
criticize the mod.

Not it isn't. It insults every player who has voted to date. What part of "a high vote except from mindless sheep"  do you plan to create a 3 paragraph speil on to make it sound good now?

It's a criticism of the mod. That it may insult players is true but not the point. If I say "You'd have to be insane to believe the earth is flat" the point of that is obviously to indicate how absurd that belief is, not to insult people that hold it, even though it can do that as well. What he said points to something he dislikes in the mod, namely the fact that he thinks it doesn't give the player enough choise in some parts (which is further clarified later in his post).

You don't get to take the statement that criticizes
the mod, edit it, and claim someone is just randomly insulting people.

But you do right?

No, I dont. Good thing I haven't either.

[Eguintir Eligard]

Did not read, do not care. Find somewhere else to argue. The subject is closed. Lock it if you see fit Dunnite.

[dunniteowl]

As I lock by request, I will opine that there is a vast difference between:

You'd have to be insane to believe the world is flat (Which, because the world is not flat as a matter of factual evidentiary proof, it follows that believing the world is flat might be out of insanity or pure unabashed ignorance of science and history)

vs:

"I can't imagine such a high vote except from mindless sheep players with a lack of social interaction who like to be controlled every step of the way." (Which is an opinion not based on fact at all, and does, in fact, disparage anyone not voting as does the poster, which is, in fact, offensive to anyone and everyone who might differ in their opinion -- this is not a criticism of the module, it is out and out inflammatory speech.)

Your Mileage May Vary, however, in this case, I get to decide which way it falls in the forums, whether or not all agree.

best regards,

dunniteowl