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[AntiChri5]

New Poll: Thane Cure?

Shavon wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

as much as anyone hates to see their favourite character/LI die, thane's mortality was explicit right from the start - to cheapen his character with a "cure" would just be a cop-out and cheapen an excellent character - better to die with dignity. i fully expect certain other characters not to return: mordin (age), jack (no reason to stay other than shep romance), grunt, samara (no reason to stay) etc despite popularity/merit of any.

So, curing Thane is a fanservice?  Yes, but I don't think fanservice is always a bad thing.  To a point, Bw still listens to fan feedback, and incorporates things in the games that the fans asked for or would love (Kasumi's dress for FemShep, ammo/thermal clip system, regenerative health, etc).

Curing Thane would certainly not cheapen his character, if you read my post above, you'll see my reasoning.  No one gives a reason for why it owuld be 'cliche' or why it would cheapen Thane's character.  Did making Tali romancable because  the fans wanted her to be so much cheapen her character?  Not to them, no.  Did changing the combat system cheapen the experience of the game? No.

Talis character wasn't built around being non romanceable.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 26 janvier 2011 - 04:53 .

[Juliaxo]

Shavon wrote...
Thane's interesting philosophical outlook, and health status was probably intended to play on the emotions, and introduce people to the terminal illness issue, who may never have been exposed to it before (Similar with Jack, and her mental health/anger issues). If Jack can find some healing in a romance with Shepard, I don't see why Shepard can't aid Thane in looking for a cure, or at least encourage him to seek help from Hanar scientists or other specialists (Mordin, perhaps) to prolong his life long enough until the cure is discovered. Continual organ transplants, until more stable treatments are found or something.

True. Also, keep in mind that Thane is not the only one suffering from Kepral's It's a problem for many Drell who live on the Hanar homeworld of Kahje and it's especially bad because their numbers are limited to begin with. Thane himself says that the Hanar are already working on something to help, he just doesn't think he'll live long enough for the research to benefit him. However, we also know, thanks to his medical report, that he is viable for a lung transplant which could potentially help him and/or extend his life. He just refused to be added to the list. I think his refusal ties in with the fact that he was resigned to his fate prior to meeting Shepard and finding purpose in the fight against the Reapers. He might not even be aware of all the treatment options available. I'd like the chance for my Shep to be able to talk to him about it and explore their options. He's still alive and there's still hope. Dying isn't his only option.

[Ahriman]

[quote]Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Asari are fanservice.[/quote]

Too many fi in sci-fi if you ask me. Also http://th04.devianta...ras-d33rul7.jpg

[quote]Miranda is fanservice.[/quote]
She looks fine even in normal armor, so that was unnecessary. [/quote]

[quote]Tali [/quote]
Supposed to be romanceable in ME1 but then devs decided that people would be scared by 'chicken legs'

[quote] but it definitely belongs to the Mass Effect universe, at least to some noticeable extent.[/quote]

Cannot disagree here.

[mattmc]

theres only one way the team at BW could/should have kill off thane, and that would be through A: having killed him off in the final mission of ME2 or....B: Killing him off in the first mission of ME3



though i think thane is the deepest character in the game, and should unite the drell and the hanar to take on the reapers, after he is cured.

[idoless24]

Juliaxo wrote...

Shavon wrote...
Thane's interesting philosophical outlook, and health status was probably intended to play on the emotions, and introduce people to the terminal illness issue, who may never have been exposed to it before (Similar with Jack, and her mental health/anger issues). If Jack can find some healing in a romance with Shepard, I don't see why Shepard can't aid Thane in looking for a cure, or at least encourage him to seek help from Hanar scientists or other specialists (Mordin, perhaps) to prolong his life long enough until the cure is discovered. Continual organ transplants, until more stable treatments are found or something.

True. Also, keep in mind that Thane is not the only one suffering from Kepral's It's a problem for many Drell who live on the Hanar homeworld of Kahje and it's especially bad because their numbers are limited to begin with. Thane himself says that the Hanar are already working on something to help, he just doesn't think he'll live long enough for the research to benefit him. However, we also know, thanks to his medical report, that he is viable for a lung transplant which could potentially help him and/or extend his life. He just refused to be added to the list. I think his refusal ties in with the fact that he was resigned to his fate prior to meeting Shepard and finding purpose in the fight against the Reapers. He might not even be aware of all the treatment options available. I'd like the chance for my Shep to be able to talk to him about it and explore their options. He's still alive and there's still hope. Dying isn't his only option.

Agreed. Thane needs a cure! There's so much more to his character...especially the potential for a more positive outlook if you romanced him (like me)!

[ciaweth]

If I were struck with a terminal illness, I would not want my family crowding around me saying, "Sorry, I don't think you should be cured. This illness is integral to your character." But maybe that's just me.

[_Aine_]

ciaweth wrote...

If I were struck with a terminal illness, I would not want my family crowding around me saying, "Sorry, I don't think you should be cured. This illness is integral to your character." But maybe that's just me.

Yes, "Thank you for bearing this illness, you are so much more interesting when you are dying." does not rank up there on the list of things I hope people say about me either   

Modifié par shantisands, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:21 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Wizz wrote...

Tali

Supposed to be romanceable in ME1 but then devs decided that people would be scared by 'chicken legs'

As for Tali - yep, I remember she was supposed to be romanceable from the beginning. Still, why was the romance with her introduced in ME2? It was so asked for. So I count it as fanservice.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:21 .

[Uszi]

matt-bassist wrote...

wow, this has got to be a first; every one agrees. NO CURE FOR THANE!

No everyone does not agree.

I have mixed feelings:  

I think people are right, his character is deeper than his terminal condition.  The Kepral's Syndrome is just a vehicle to force Thane to face his guilt and his feelings, whereas he has ignored them his whole life.

It's not like Thane would feel differently if he wasn't dying.  He would probably just be less willing to talk about it, or even own up to those feelings and face them.

On the other hand, the fact that he's dying is a fairly unique story element.  I would prefer that he completes his character arc and croaks, personally.

If he's saved it would just be clear fan service.  But, since we have Garrusmancers and Talimancers now, I suppose we will probably get Thanedoctas in ME3.

Modifié par Uszi, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:26 .

[Uszi]

Wizz wrote...

Too many fi in sci-fi if you ask me. Also http://th04.devianta...ras-d33rul7.jpg

An actual LOL from me, sir.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

[2kgnsiika]

Okay, how about this:

In ME3 the player can

1) Cure Thane by lung transplant, which will save his life BUT the recovery time is over six months, so Thane will be unusable as a squadmate for the rest of the game.

2) Give Thane a new experimental treatment that will extend his life and use of physical capabilities for a year or so, but then cause a rapid developent of cancerous cells all over his body and lead to death in a few months.

Thane would naturally want to sacrifice himself to help save the galaxy, but with a high Paragon score you can persuade him to accept the transplant. The way I see it, this would offer a chance to cure a beloved character, but with a real cost. By giving him the treatment, you would be sealing his fate and making him even more committed to your mission.

EDIT: Spelling

Modifié par 2kgnsiika, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:46 .

[Georilla]

It's not all that a big deal if they decide to find a cure for Thane. If you're not satisfied with Thane living in ME3, there is still this option: Let Thane die in the suicide mission, that's better than letting him live in ME3 (if at least you don't want him to stay alive).

Modifié par Georilla, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:35 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

ciaweth wrote...

If I were struck with a terminal illness, I would not want my family crowding around me saying, "Sorry, I don't think you should be cured. This illness is integral to your character." But maybe that's just me.

Precisely.

I really fail to see how being terminally ill is considered integral to a person (or character). It's only something that increases depth and drama. For all we know, BioWare already had the means to cure Thane the second they decided for him to be infected with Kepral's; it only hasn't showed up yet.

[abnocte]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/5801680/4#5810731  

In that thread you can read how Preston Watamaniuk played through ME3 at Christmas. Sure it's not finished, but it's ridiculous to think that the decision to cure Thane or not isn't already taken.

As ridiculous as thinking that just because 96 people ( and I am one of them ) participated in a collaboration to voice our wishes is going to change Thane's fate. And no matter how much developer like to tease us, I doubt they are bringing this to everyone attention justo to kill Thane either way...

All this, plus other hints from Ceberus News, made me conclude that they never planned to kill him in the first place...from Keprals of course, you can always kill him in the Suicice mission...

Modifié par abnocte, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:30 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

It's unrealistic to add such a crucial aspect to a fully fledged character and not have any future plans regarding it. There has to be some sort of cure planned out from the very beginning for Thane. We've already witnessed a few hints.

[samuraix87]

if thane dies i would like feron to come to shepard and ask to be part of his team to take tanes place

[Fiery Phoenix]

I will say what I just said in the Thane thread: Those who aren't keen on a cure for Thane, I suggest you guys roll up a FemShep and check out his romance. You'll see just how much there is to him other than his condition. I will admit that I never actually got into Thane until I romanced him.

[AntiChri5]

I have romanced him twice.



Still in the no-cure crowd.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Then you have a very valid opinion, Chris. Thanks. I was referring to those who didn't even romance him.

[AntiChri5]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

ciaweth wrote...

If I were struck with a terminal illness, I would not want my family crowding around me saying, "Sorry, I don't think you should be cured. This illness is integral to your character." But maybe that's just me.

Precisely.

I really fail to see how being terminally ill is considered integral to a person (or character). It's only something that increases depth and drama. For all we know, BioWare already had the means to cure Thane the second they decided for him to be infected with Kepral's; it only hasn't showed up yet.

If so, i will have lost a great deal of respect for BioWare.

EDIT: I don't want a replacement for Thane. He's Thane, he has been training since he was six! You can't just pick another Drell out of a hat and say "close enough".

Modifié par AntiChri5, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:40 .