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[flem1]

monimakitten wrote...

Than neither should Tali fans, being with her could kill her, However all she got was the sniffles.. Bioware has done many things that defy "natural"  laws.I just dont get why Thane is the one that gets all the  sudden need for realism.

I hated the Tali thing too.  But to be fair, she didn't open her intro with "by the way, in case you thought of romancing me, if we do anything I'm definitely going to die".

I actually suspect Miranda isn't going to get a happy ending with Shep.  But I'm afraid that Thane will continue the fanservice tradition.

[habitat 67]

Thane cannot die. He is the father of a troubled son.

[Cyansomnia]

flem1 wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I don't want tragedy.

Then you shouldn't have gotten involved with the guy who told you he was dying IN YOUR VERY FIRST CONVERSATION.

Wanting tragedy and being prepared for tragedy are two different things.  Why is it so horrible to want the option to save him?  Besides, people can't help who they fall for.  My FemShep fell for him.  Just so happens he's got a short time to live.  Don't use that as an excuse to invalidate my argument.

ADD:
And since so many other fans of different characters have gotten what they wanted, why shouldn't fans of Thane? I hardly find that fair.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 27 janvier 2011 - 01:43 .

[Kusy]

Aislinn Trista wrote...
And since so many other fans of different characters have gotten what they wanted [...]

by this you mean what?

[Kusy]

xAlch3mIstx wrote...

this is stupid

You seem to be very negative. Why is this stupid?

[Ulzeraj]

You don't need to fight.







*Goes away singing*



We missed you hissed the lovecats ba ba-da...da da da da da...

[Emperor Mars]

[edit] alas it was not visable...shame that



Anyway that is indeed odd...consdering the twitter whatsit.

Modifié par Emperor Mars, 27 janvier 2011 - 02:51 .

[Kusy]

Developer doesn't give a sign of life for 2 months.
              >Half of the community complains that it's stupid and they suck.

Developer starts a random, yet funny facebook campaing to pep up the community.
              >Half of the community complains that it's stupid and they suck.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 27 janvier 2011 - 02:55 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Thane must die!

Seriously, that is his whole gig.

[Stupidus]

Thane's boring, hope he dies.

[Juliaxo]

flem1 wrote...

akidaki wrote...

flem1 wrote...

Aislinn Trista wrote...

I don't want tragedy.

Then you shouldn't have gotten involved with the guy who told you he was dying IN YOUR VERY FIRST CONVERSATION.

Maybe she shouldn't, but nevertheless she fall for him. What's next? It's not about player's choice, it's about feelings.

Feelings can change human facts, but they can't change natural facts. And the fact is, he should be toast.

Heck, feelings often can't even change human facts... Replace "dying" in my first post with "married" or even "not ready for a relationship" and you have an all too common sad case. Is it really good to perpetuate the wishful delusion that you can ignore these red flags and not get hurt?

It's not about "ignoring red flags". For instance, my Shep loves Thane and obviously she knew he was sick when she started the relationship. She didn't let that scare her away from someone she genuinely cares about. The potential for tragedy is there but she's not just going to twiddle her thumbs and wait for him to die  without at least trying to help him. She can research possible treatments and encourage Thane to explore his options. We know he's eligible for the lung transplant, for instance.

You seem to think he should just roll over and die and not pursue any treatment options that have the potential to help or prolong his life! Why is that?  Also, if the idea of a cure or treatment option bother you that much, you realize you don't even need to recruit him, right? Then you won't even have to make a choice about whether to cure him or not.

It's just so uncool that some people are adament that there be no choice in the matter, not caring if it upsets those of us who love the character and want to see him cured. Why take the choice away from us? To me, Thane's illness doesn't define him. It's not why my Shep romanced him. She isn't going to give up on him or let him give up on himself!

Also, I need to add The Cerberus Network newsfeed mentioned a new technology that was developed and they call it 'medi-gel for the lungs.'

Dubbed “medi-gel for the lungs,” the Eupulmos Device analyzes a patient’s tissue or medicard record before adjusting its virally-delivered superdrugs to match the patient’s genetic predispositions. After that, the mister sprays the aerosol into the patient’s nasal passages and the drug is absorbed into the lungs. The mister can also deliver microsurgery machines to make non-invasive repairs to tissue and has a color-coded nozzle at each end with separateagent reservoirs for dextro and levo patients. Said one ER staffer, “The effect is incredible. In a year, the whole galaxy will be using these things.”

When I read the article I immediately thought of Thane. New medical tech and advancements are constantly being developed and with so many alien races there's a lot of variety and potential for collaboration. Maybe if the Hanar had help with their research it could speed up the development time or they could even modify already existing tech into a viable treatment. It's worth looking into.

Modifié par Juliaxo, 27 janvier 2011 - 06:50 .

[raynbow]

Juliaxo wrote...

It's not about "ignoring red flags". For instance, my Shep loves Thane and obviously she knew he was sick when she started the relationship. She didn't let that scare her away from someone she genuinely cares about. The potential for tragedy is there but she's not just going to twiddle her thumbs and wait for him to die  without at least trying to help him. She can research possible treatments and encourage Thane to explore his options. We know he's eligible for the lung transplant, for instance.

You seem to think he should just roll over and die and not pursue any treatment options that have the potential to help or prolong his life! Why is that?  Also, if the idea of a cure or treatment option bother you that much, you realize you don't even need to recruit him, right? Then you don't even have to make a choice about whether to cure him or not.

It's just so uncool that some people are adament that there be no choice in the matter, not caring if it upsets those of us who love the character and want to see him cured. Why take the choice away from us? To me, Thane's illness doesn't define him. It's not why my Shep romanced him. She isn't going to give up on him or let him give up on himself!

Also, I need to add The Cerberus Network newsfeed mentioned a new technology that was developed and they call it 'medi-gel for the lungs.'

Dubbed “medi-gel for the lungs,” the Eupulmos Device analyzes a patient’s tissue or medicard record before adjusting its virally-delivered superdrugs to match the patient’s genetic predispositions. After that, the mister sprays the aerosol into the patient’s nasal passages and the drug is absorbed into the lungs. The mister can also deliver microsurgery machines to make non-invasive repairs to tissue and has a color-coded nozzle at each end with separateagent reservoirs for dextro and levo patients. Said one ER staffer, “The effect is incredible. In a year, the whole galaxy will be using these things.”

When I read the article I immediately thought of Thane. New medical tech and advancements are constantly being developed and with so many alien races there's a lot of variety and potential for collaboration. Maybe if the Hanar had help with their research it could speed up the development time or they could even modify already existing tech into a viable treatment. It's worth looking into.

agreed. i could not have said this better myself

[swirlwind]

flem1 wrote...

As for the real-life analogy, guess what: we're not taking about real life. We're talking about a story, and what would be good in life often makes a bad story. Would you prefer in ME1 if you could prevent Saren from ever attacking Eden Prime or the Citadel by pressing a magic button? Uh, no. Stories--even heroic ones about how great the protagonist is--only make sense when they acknowledge the limits of what even the greatest hero can do. Shepard can't save both Ashley and Kaidan, (s)he can't get Samara to ditch her oath, and (s)he shouldn't be able to save Thane either. It makes what you can do even sweeter.

I might agree with you if it hadn't already been established in the ME universe that even death can be cured. Thane dying on a mission I would buy, but dying because of Kepral's? When travelling with Shepard who knows pretty much all the right people in the galaxy who might be able to help? By the end of ME2, Thane has finally reached a place where he might actually welcome Shepard's help, and I see no reason why s/he wouldn't or couldn't. 

[Jebel Krong]

Shavon wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

as much as anyone hates to see their favourite character/LI die, thane's mortality was explicit right from the start - to cheapen his character with a "cure" would just be a cop-out and cheapen an excellent character - better to die with dignity. i fully expect certain other characters not to return: mordin (age), jack (no reason to stay other than shep romance), grunt, samara (no reason to stay) etc despite popularity/merit of any.

So, curing Thane is a fanservice?  Yes, but I don't think fanservice is always a bad thing.  To a point, Bw still listens to fan feedback, and incorporates things in the games that the fans asked for or would love (Kasumi's dress for FemShep, ammo/thermal clip system, regenerative health, etc).

Curing Thane would certainly not cheapen his character, if you read my post above, you'll see my reasoning.  No one gives a reason for why it owuld be 'cliche' or why it would cheapen Thane's character.  Did making Tali romancable because  the fans wanted her to be so much cheapen her character?  Not to them, no.  Did changing the combat system cheapen the experience of the game? No.

fanservice isn't always bad. in thane's case his condition defined him for much of his development through me2 - including his reconciliation with his son, to cheapen all of that (and even his relationship with shepard) with a sudden, 'magical' cure when he quite clearly stated that it was improbable given the resources of other species who already tried it is bad fanservice - and that's the difference: if people really want a 'magic' cure which would necessarily change the character once again, then perhaps they don't really like him as much as they say they do.

obviously this is objective reasoning as i don't have a particular attachment to thane (though i thought he was an excellent character and i enjoyed his conversations - even if the whole 'monk assassin' thing was a bit cliche - but the same goes for other characters that i like even more - mordin, to name one.

[STG]

akidaki wrote...
Okay, you can call it fanservice, but it's just a game. And if so many players want him to live, there must be an option. Because Thane is not an exсeption: Tali and Garrus can't have relationships with human, but they do because fans wanted it.

Ok but where do we draw the line then? How many characters have to be turned upside down for no other reason than "fans want it"? Because if fan service is going to be in control of Mass Effect then I want to romance Harbinger. Yes it is a giant monster that wants us all dead. I don't care, I demand it and I am a fan as much as anyone else.

[didymos1120]

swirlwind wrote...
I might agree with you if it hadn't already been established in the ME universe that even death can be cured.

Yeah, if you've got billions of credits, a dedicated staff of specialists, a state-of-the-art facility and a couple years to spare. 

[CannotCompute]

Yeah, extend his lifespan a bit, BW.

Then allow the options to either let him make some kind of ultimate sacrifice at some point in the story or to just keep him in the squad and suffer the consequences.

Modifié par CannotCompute, 27 janvier 2011 - 12:35 .

[Jebel Krong]

akidaki wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
fanservice isn't always bad. in thane's case his condition defined him for much of his development through me2 - including his reconciliation with his son, to cheapen all of that (and even his relationship with shepard) with a sudden, 'magical' cure when he quite clearly stated that it was improbable given the resources of other species who already tried it is bad fanservice - and that's the difference: if people really want a 'magic' cure which would necessarily change the character once again, then perhaps they don't really like him as much as they say they do.

obviously this is objective reasoning as i don't have a particular attachment to thane (though i thought he was an excellent character and i enjoyed his conversations - even if the whole 'monk assassin' thing was a bit cliche - but the same goes for other characters that i like even more - mordin, to name one.

So the problem is just in his "magic" cure? And this is after Shepard's resurrection? We have a few hints already about possible ways of cure, so if there will be a good reasoning to find it - why not?
And again, I can't understand a categoricalness of some players about this question. I'm sure BW will give us a chance to let Thane die in ME3, so guys, just leave some hope for those, who want him live.

read my post first - the 'magic' cure is only part of the reasoning, the most important part is all the character development and events over the game that would be discarded in one fell swoop with the advent of the sudden cure. thane was a cool character because of who he was and what happened to him: his acceptance of his coming demise and wanting to right some of his own and the galaxy's wrongs before he went - take all that away and he becomes a cypher.

giving players a choice over everyone who lives and dies is not a solution, because who in their right mind would deliberately kill cool characters unless they were just testing something out? - a bit like you could only actually lose people on the suicide mission in me2 if you were stupid or rushing - it cheapens the experience as a result.

leave thane & mordin to die, get rid of samara and others and introduce new characters in the vacant space and let them have room - it's a big universe and you might find you like the new ones even more.

[swirlwind]

didymos1120 wrote...

swirlwind wrote...
I might agree with you if it hadn't already been established in the ME universe that even death can be cured.

Yeah, if you've got billions of credits, a dedicated staff of specialists, a state-of-the-art facility and a couple years to spare. 

Indeed. Obviously, Thane's condition is much less dire. A lung transplant might suffice, and that's something even modern day medicine can accomplish. My point is, Thane's condition shouldn't be incurable in the Mass Effect universe. In fact, I think he rebuffs Shepard's early offers of help because he _wants_ to die. However, if Shepard helps him with Kolyat and maybe even romances him, perhaps he changes his mind. Perhaps his character develops beyond the deathly-ill, full-of-regrets assassin who wants to die doing something meaningful. Perhaps ME3 should give him the opportunity for such development.

[goatman42]

Well Thane died in my playthough, So I'm not going to see him in my first run no matter what.

Still if people want Thane to live then thats fine. Personally though I think its to happy of an idea to have him get better. I'm sadistic like that.