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[Rale2994]

Perhaps finding the cure wouldn't be the only problem in this potential "Cure Thane" quest. Maybe Thane isn't as keen on being cured as everyone might think; I mean, he might be more willing to go for it if a FemShep romanced him, but in every other case he could balk at a cure just as much as half the posters on this thread have.



I mean, this isn't like the Krogans and the genophage or Tali and her immune system. In both those cases the affected people wanted a cure and saw their disease as an undeserved problem. Here, from what I gathered from my opening conversations with him, Thane believes that he deserves this disease. He's done terrible things as an assassin and so he feels that now God (or the gods, in his case) are punishing him for his crimes. Since he's come to terms with that, he might just see it as wrong for him to escape that punishment, especially when he's meted out plenty of punishment to the wicked in his own right. If this disease were to be cured, he would effectively be avoiding his punishment after making sure that other people weren't able to avoid theirs.



And while the fact that he's gotten back into contact with his son might help influence him to go for a cure even without the romance, we don't know just how stable their renewed relationship really is. Besides, Thane's still mortal and is thus susceptible to being selfish from time to time.



Not that I think convincing him would be hard in-game (it never really has been in the ME series), those are just some arguments he might use against the cure were he fighting the issue.

[Majin Paul]

I wouldn't mind if they do have a cure for him at some point or not, I don't like him because he's dying, I like him because of the spirituality.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

akidaki wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
read my post first - the 'magic' cure is only part of the reasoning, the most important part is all the character development and events over the game that would be discarded in one fell swoop with the advent of the sudden cure. thane was a cool character because of who he was and what happened to him: his acceptance of his coming demise and wanting to right some of his own and the galaxy's wrongs before he went - take all that away and he becomes a cypher.

Did Jack become a cypher when Shepard helped her to come to terms with her past?
Did Mordin become a cypher when Shepard helped him to reconsider his work?
Did Miranda become a cypher when she supports Shepard, not Illusive Man, on the collector's base?
Shepard and companions affect upon each other, so why Shepard can't try to find a reason for Thane to live?

And to emphasize this I'd say:

if you've successfully completed Thane's loyality mission and romanced him, he already has a reason to live. He openly admits he wants to live, in fact.

[Jebel Krong]

akidaki wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
read my post first - the 'magic' cure is only part of the reasoning, the most important part is all the character development and events over the game that would be discarded in one fell swoop with the advent of the sudden cure. thane was a cool character because of who he was and what happened to him: his acceptance of his coming demise and wanting to right some of his own and the galaxy's wrongs before he went - take all that away and he becomes a cypher.

Did Jack become a cypher when Shepard helped her to come to terms with her past?
Did Mordin become a cypher when Shepard helped him to reconsider his work?
Did Miranda become a cypher when she supports Shepard, not Illusive Man, on the collector's base?
Shepard and companions affect upon each other, so why Shepard can't try to find a reason for Thane to live?

Jebel Krong wrote...
giving players a choice over everyone who lives and dies is not a solution, because who in their right mind would deliberately kill cool characters unless they were just testing something out? - a bit like you could only actually lose people on the suicide mission in me2 if you were stupid or rushing - it cheapens the experience as a result.

As long as you're here, I suppose you like ME. So you accept that fact that it depends of Shepard will Kaidan, Ashley, Wrex, Grunt, Legion, Samara live or not. But you insist on just one outcome for Thane. I think it's weird.

you're missing the point entirely - it's not about shepard finding a reason for thane to live, or even having anything to do with shepard at all - it's all about thane, and thane's character and development through mass effect 2. seen through only one prism - 'your' shepard's - you end up only seeing the bit of the character that therefore affects you.

the other characters you meet don't change that much or too late to see any appreciable effect - jack's still pyschotic no matter what you do, mordin doesn't reconsider his work at all - he accepts it as necessary despite acknowledging the necessary horror of some of it, and miranda's actions at the base come too late to see any repercussion from either side, let alone any impact on her character.

yes, i've been around since the me1 days and whilst you do get the opportunity to 'kill' quite a few squadmates, either directly or by your (in)actions, some, inevitably have off-screen write-offs - consider the virmire survivor, whether wrex cameos or not and whether or not any/all of the squad in me2 survive or not (and thane is included in that btw). in terms of just simple workload, some of the me2 cast are undoubtedly going to have off-screen reasons for not appearing in me3, the logical ones have already been mentioned. that has nothing to do with their popularity, merits, whatever metric you care to apply, it's simple maths - the ones with the highest chances of death in/between games are unlikely to have major impact going forward.

[matt-bassist]

i think its pretty clear that the only ones who want the cure are girls who romanced him and like him. they seem to be the most vocal, and the only ones defending him. i wonder what % that makes up of fans? 10%? 15%? 25%?

the whole point of Thane's journey in ME2 was to find redemption for himself. this is compounded by the fact that he doesn't have much time left and is going to die. it makes his story tragic, and unique, and awesome. Thane was always in my party btw.

suddenly finding a cure is only stupid if its a DLC that takes place DURING ME2. now im all for a side quest in ME3 revolving around finding him a cure, because thats a different ball game. the collector threat is over, Thane has redeemed himself etc. curing him while still on the mission in ME2 takes all the punch out of his story.

[rrp]

matt-bassist wrote...

i think its pretty clear that the only ones who want the cure are girls who romanced him and like him. they seem to be the most vocal, and the only ones defending him. i wonder what % that makes up of fans? 10%? 15%? 25%?
the whole point of Thane's journey in ME2 was to find redemption for himself. this is compounded by the fact that he doesn't have much time left and is going to die. it makes his story tragic, and unique, and awesome. Thane was always in my party btw.
suddenly finding a cure is only stupid if its a DLC that takes place DURING ME2. now im all for a side quest in ME3 revolving around finding him a cure, because thats a different ball game. the collector threat is over, Thane has redeemed himself etc. curing him while still on the mission in ME2 takes all the punch out of his story.

I agree with this. i feel like it would be okay if it was an addition to ME3 and not DLC for ME2.

[Cru Hunter]

I would like it better if Thane's fate with his disease isn't a done-deal. Depending on how much Shepard interacted with him in the last game, and depending on what was done for him, influences Shepard's ability (and choice) to find a cure for Thane. I would think the game would be a bit more interesting if he died. Shepard would fail at something for once

[monima]

Jebel Krong wrote...

you're missing the point entirely - it's not about shepard finding a reason for thane to live, or even having anything to do with shepard at all - it's all about thane, and thane's character and development through mass effect 2. seen through only one prism - 'your' shepard's - you end up only seeing the bit of the character that therefore affects you.

the other characters you meet don't change that much or too late to see any appreciable effect - jack's still pyschotic no matter what you do, mordin doesn't reconsider his work at all - he accepts it as necessary despite acknowledging the necessary horror of some of it, and miranda's actions at the base come too late to see any repercussion from either side, let alone any impact on her character.

yes, i've been around since the me1 days and whilst you do get the opportunity to 'kill' quite a few squadmates, either directly or by your (in)actions, some, inevitably have off-screen write-offs - consider the virmire survivor, whether wrex cameos or not and whether or not any/all of the squad in me2 survive or not (and thane is included in that btw). in terms of just simple workload, some of the me2 cast are undoubtedly going to have off-screen reasons for not appearing in me3, the logical ones have already been mentioned. that has nothing to do with their popularity, merits, whatever metric you care to apply, it's simple maths - the ones with the highest chances of death in/between games are unlikely to have major impact going forward.

You are doing the same thing though, you see Thane through the eyes of your own Shepard. We all do. Thats why RPGs have so many choices, because we all choose differently.

As for off-screen write-offs, well the VS will be back in ME3, they have pretty much stated that much. I see people all over this forum trying to write off the characters that are not important to them. In some vain hope they belive their favourite will get more screentime. Its not going to happen that way.
I for one didnt know how old Mordin was, considering how many mistakes are in the codex bioware could easily change that to fit what they want.
Popularity will bring characters back, it has always been like that, and I am not necessarily talking about Thane

[Juliaxo]

Jebel Krong wrote...

akidaki wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
fanservice isn't always bad. in thane's case his condition defined him for much of his development through me2 - including his reconciliation with his son, to cheapen all of that (and even his relationship with shepard) with a sudden, 'magical' cure when he quite clearly stated that it was improbable given the resources of other species who already tried it is bad fanservice - and that's the difference: if people really want a 'magic' cure which would necessarily change the character once again, then perhaps they don't really like him as much as they say they do.

obviously this is objective reasoning as i don't have a particular attachment to thane (though i thought he was an excellent character and i enjoyed his conversations - even if the whole 'monk assassin' thing was a bit cliche - but the same goes for other characters that i like even more - mordin, to name one.

So the problem is just in his "magic" cure? And this is after Shepard's resurrection? We have a few hints already about possible ways of cure, so if there will be a good reasoning to find it - why not?
And again, I can't understand a categoricalness of some players about this question. I'm sure BW will give us a chance to let Thane die in ME3, so guys, just leave some hope for those, who want him live.

read my post first - the 'magic' cure is only part of the reasoning, the most important part is all the character development and events over the game that would be discarded in one fell swoop with the advent of the sudden cure. thane was a cool character because of who he was and what happened to him: his acceptance of his coming demise and wanting to right some of his own and the galaxy's wrongs before he went - take all that away and he becomes a cypher.

giving players a choice over everyone who lives and dies is not a solution, because who in their right mind would deliberately kill cool characters unless they were just testing something out? - a bit like you could only actually lose people on the suicide mission in me2 if you were stupid or rushing - it cheapens the experience as a result.

leave thane & mordin to die, get rid of samara and others and introduce new characters in the vacant space and let them have room - it's a big universe and you might find you like the new ones even more.

How would his character development be "discarded" if he's cured? If anything the cure would give Bioware the opportunity to develop him and his relationship with Shepard further. If he's dead there's nothing further to develop. He isn't going to do a complete 180 just because he's cured. I think he'd still want to make the galaxy a brighter place, he'd still want to try to reconnect with his son, and he'd still be devoted to Shepard's cause. A cure or prolonged life span would just give him more time to be able to do these things. The Kepral's really only adds a
sense of urgency because he's unsure about how much time he has.

And a cure or treatment plan wouldn't be magic, he genuinely has an option that could potentially prolong his life. Which you seem to ignore, in your quest to kill him off.

[Lewie]

Thane is a great character i don't want him to die just to make a dramatic moment in the story or because 'it was written in so it must happen'. The story can change and twist any way or direction and i am sure there will be plenty of drama already. Sod that i hope his story continues with Feron etc not just to be an LI.



Kill off Liara sure that would be dramatic *ducks* (j/k).



Making it a choice seems the best answer then everyone is happy.

[hanar05]

Plenty of guys like Thane too. And not all girls who like him romanced him.

I have seen examples of both post in this thread

It's understandable that most of the people who feel strongly about it are the ones whose Shepards romanced him, though. Same with any other character. That's just how things go.

Thane is a popular character and all we would like to see is another option other than having him die from a terminal illness. I, for one, would love to see Thane fighting by Shepard's side in Mass Effect 3. Without a cure or another treatment, he will be unable to fight in 8 to 12 months.



We all may have different opinions on the matter but I didn't start organising that collaboration to demand a cure from BioWare, I started it to support one.

Whether or not they cure him is ultimately their decision.

[ScotOfClanDonald]

When dying characters are miraculously cured because they're fan favorites, it turns the "terminal illness" character trait into a cheap literary trick to get you to like someone that you might not otherwise care about.



I hope Thane dies tragically so I can continue to like him and not think that Bioware caved to his fangirls.

[earthbornFemShep]

hanar05 wrote...

*snip * And not all girls who like him romanced him. *snip*

True.  Most of my femsheps are with Liara, but they are good friends with Thane and Garrrus.  I'm not against a cure, but I don't want it done in a cliche way.

[matt-bassist]

@Scot

Well said.

[ScotOfClanDonald]

matt-bassist wrote...

@Scot
Well said.

Thanks.  Miraculous cures really bother me on a literary level.

It's pretty awesome if we fight for a cure and then fail, though.  Fighting to survive even though it's hopeless is really interesting, and adds some poignancy to the story. 

If Kepral's really is a death sentence, then we have to ask: do we have a chance against the galaxy's death sentence, the Reapers?

This is good storytelling.  There's a right way to handle characters with a terminal illness, and a wrong way.  Curing them miraculously at the eleventh hour really is the wrong way.

Which isn't to say that you can never have good drama about curing a terminal illness.  In my opinion, though, the cure is often worse than the disease.  On a literary level, it usually means that someone else that you care about has to die.  Nothing is ever free.

So, I say let Thane die.  He's more than redeemed himself already by stopping the Collectors, and he can at least go down fighting the good fight.

[monima]

He is viable for a lung transplant which would prolonge his life, this is already in the game.

[Hunter Boris.0]

Please, no cure. Bioware can do better writing than: OMG he shouldn't come back but we'll do it anyway because he was popular and our fans can't handle tragedy!

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Hunter Boris.0 wrote...

Please, no cure. Bioware can do better writing than: OMG he shouldn't come back but we'll do it anyway because he was popular and our fans can't handle tragedy!

So if cure for ME3 was planned and kept in mind by bioware writers from the very beginning curing Thane would be ok, right?

[Big stupid jellyfish]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

I don't know if i want a cure. I want Thane to live because I want to learn more about him. I would also like to see how his friendship path develops with my Shepard, what he will do now that the suicide mission is over, how are things between him and Kolyat, maybe have him again in my team, etc.

But the main reason that I don't want him cured is because his writer left. If they bring Thane back in ME3 then he might have a sudden split personality change like Liara in ME2 before LotSB.
I also doubt that any of my wishes are gonna come true. I fear that the only thing I'll get is an e-mail.

We (=Thanemancers) are also both concerned and sad as Chris is no longer with Bioware. He also wrote Ashley; should a bridge DLC indeed feature a VS I guess we would withness how Ash is seen and presented by other writers, and our expectations may change accordingly.

Still, even fanfic authors can write wonderful texts where NPCs are both believable and in character, so I believe this should be possible for Bioware team as well.

[Iakus]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

I don't know if i want a cure. I want Thane to live because I want to learn more about him. I would also like to see how his friendship path develops with my Shepard, what he will do now that the suicide mission is over, how are things between him and Kolyat, maybe have him again in my team, etc.

But the main reason that I don't want him cured is because his writer left. If they bring Thane back in ME3 then he might have a sudden split personality change like Liara in ME2 before LotSB.
I also doubt that any of my wishes are gonna come true. I fear that the only thing I'll get is an e-mail.

Well if we wanna get technical about it, there's already a cure in the game.  Expensive, but  proven to work.  Real "Cutting edge technology"

Two words: "Lazarus"  and "Project"

Space magic solves all problems