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[Joram Talid]

^yes, but the counterarguments are pure speculation, as well.

[marshalleck]

Joram Talid wrote...

^yes, but the counterarguments are pure speculation, as well.

What counter-arguments? I hope you're not expecting someone to prove that Reapers don't imbue their forms with those of the species they...do whatever it is they do with them. You can't prove/disprove a claim that isn't falsifiable and right now we don't really have any information about the subject of how Reaper morphology came to be what it is. We saw the human-reaper larva aka Space Terminator, but since it looks nothing like the rest of the Reapers we've seen and we have no other information it's not logical to conclude that this is the normal construction process for all Reapers. 

Someone says "Here's some concept art, ergo the Reapers take the shape of the people they reap!"

I'm saying the existence of concept art doesn't support the conclusion drawn. That's not speculation and it's not really a counter-argument, it's simply logic. In fact, if you read the caption it refers to a "Reaper-human larva." Not reaper larva; specifically, a hybrid. Which by definition is non-standard.

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:56 .

[meh_cd]

Legion says that the Reapers were originally organics who uploaded themselves into the... ships... is what we would call them.



Of course that could just have been Sovereign lying to the Geth.

[shoggoth1890]

I agree and disagree. Concept art is just that... conceptual. However it depends on whether or not the devs had already determined what the Reapers are before making drawing those up. Concept art can give insight into underlying themes. It's always possible that their decision on the details of the Reaper origin had changed, which would invalidate any implications of concept art, but if they remained consistent there will be certain themes that one could see that hint at the direction they are going.



That being said, I doubt (out of sheer personal desire) that it is a "shell" for the reason stated in my previous post. Have no idea if this post here is coherent or not though.

[shoggoth1890]

Drat, can't edit post from this computer, that should read "before drawing those up"

[marshalleck]

 You can edit, it's just that the forum software randomly decides to make the changes show up anywhere from instantly to about 5 minutes after you hit submit. 

[shoggoth1890]

Nah, on safari on an iOS device, no good comp accessible. Dunno why the quick reply let's me type, but the standard form does not.

[Joram Talid]

those concept art pictures lead me to believe that the shape of the organic life form is on the bottom of a protective shell. this would lead me to believe that the human reapers was merely not close to being complete(NOT a hybrid reaper). i believe that it was on the same exact path as many reapers prior.

[Dexi]

 Look people, it is as clear as a bright day that reapers which have been fully constructed have a similar feature: the shell, and have different shape, depending on the species they come from, shape that is visually brought to a certain standard, part of this being because of the shell...

The human-reaper, as most people picture it fully constructed, would look like a giant robot...
How would a giant robot fly in the sky? 






Cool huh? Not really... 






This makes a lot more sense, doesn't it?  ( sorry, I know my paint skills suck lol ) 

[g-w-m]

We won't know anything more until ME3 is out, but my understanding is that when Reapers create a new construct through gobbling up genetic material from other races, the new Reaper will still assume the same distinct shape & features of "the Reapers" but more distinctive features & details are inherited from said genetic material.



Not saying they become a bigger version of what they're eating, but they reproduce another "Reaper" with physical traits/features of what they're eating.

[kidbd15]

marshalleck wrote...

JHU_P4NDA wrote...

 There is also NO reason to assume that previous iterations of technologically-advanced like had to look anything like life does in the current ME universe, where most advanced races have four limbs, stand on two legs, and so forth. 
And, it's not like a Reaper is literally an exact copy of the race it is based on. Go back and look at the bottom of the human Reaper in the game. the spinal cord tapers off to an end, much like the tapering end of most reapers. The reapers may all share many similar features, since they are all reapers (All humans have arms, legs, but are based on the appearance of "those who make them", i.e. parents). 

This is pure speculation and those graphics are just concept art for what could have been, not what Reapers are.

ehhhh... if the left side of that picture were true, wouldn't that mean the Human Reaper were flying ass first... that wouldn't make much sense... I believe the original design of all the Reapers was changed by BioWare to fit ME2... looking forward to further explanation in ME3.

[Dexi]

kidbd15 wrote...

ehhhh... if the left side of that picture were true, wouldn't that mean the Human Reaper were flying ass first... that wouldn't make much sense... I believe the original design of all the Reapers was changed by BioWare to fit ME2... looking forward to further explanation in ME3.

Exactly that...
At first they wanted Shepard to fight a more complete version of the reaper but they changed that to an embryo, to fit the game better. 

[Merchant2006]

Cthulthu.

[Halfdan The Menace]

Jibbed34 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

So if Reapers end up resembling the species that their organic material was taken from, then how come all of the Reapers we see look like gigantic squids? 

No one has ever confirmed this theory.

My guess is that the Human-Reaper was not really a 'true' Reaper... it was merely just a convenient tool for the Collectors to construct. The Reapers are still trapped in dark space in ME2, so they needed a replacement for Sovereign.

Think about it. The Reapers are essentially machines, so their logic would flow something like this:

Sovereign = 1 standard Reaper
Sovereign beaten by Humans
Not enough resources for Collectors to build 'true' Reaper army (true Reapers trapped in dark space)
Humans genetically useful, plentiful
Combination of Human material and Reaper would stand a better chance against Humans
Collectors can make Human-Reaper quickly
Deploy Human-Reaper to manually open Citadel relay

That is Grim Reaper specially designed for the Invasion of Earth.

Modifié par ModestmeNTaLmogul, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:05 .

[shoggoth1890]

Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!

If the pictures do indeed imply the human reaper was going to be placed in a shell later, it would end up being an incredibly small Reaper. Larger than the Normandy, but a dwarf to the colossi we have seen in scale thus far.

[Rune-Chan]

Dexi wrote...

 Look people, it is as clear as a bright day that reapers which have been fully constructed have a similar feature: the shell, and have different shape, depending on the species they come from, shape that is visually brought to a certain standard, part of this being because of the shell...

The human-reaper, as most people picture it fully constructed, would look like a giant robot...
How would a giant robot fly in the sky? 






Cool huh? Not really... 






This makes a lot more sense, doesn't it?  ( sorry, I know my paint skills suck lol ) 

This is what I am hoping for. A giant flying human shaped ship would look ridiculous.

[STG]

marshalleck wrote...
Harbinger


Harbinger on the other hand reminds me of a cockroach. A big disgusting 2km long metallic bastard cockroach. Yuck.

Harbinger looks like a Prothean/Collector head to me.

[Art3m]

I see Harby more like this thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlouse
Or those ones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilobite
Or these two mixed in one...
PS I bet BW used this page for inspiration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthropod 

Modifié par Art3mShepard, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:04 .

[legionN7622]

Well i believe that the reapers are similar to hunters form HALO because hunters are made up of thousands stringy organisms reapers are probably the same way. now you could argue that thats not true because he reapers are "space ships" but all the organisms could be in side the shell or he squid shaped ship could be built around the organic "Being" that is the reaper.

[sth128]

I agree. The Reapers share a somewhat similar profile, but inside each ship is unique. They are each a nation. I mean, they obviously have to share the same propulsion system and same armor technology. There's a specific shape that's best of planet landing (sharp head for minimal resistance when escaping planet atmosphere) and what not.



It's like different people, we have tall ones, short ones, fat ones, and thin ones; but generally we share the same "head on top, legs on bottom" configuration because we all have to perform the same functions.

[shoggoth1890]

STG wrote...

Harbinger looks like a Prothean/Collector head to me.

Actually, it does kinda bear a resemblance. Nice eye.

[Layzr]

Dexi wrote...



This makes a lot more sense, doesn't it?  ( sorry, I know my paint skills suck lol ) 

this makes the human reaper thing seem alot more... reasonable. (not that i have a huge anger boner over it anyway)

[Saren100]

I await seeing the arachnid reaper o.o

[shoggoth1890]

I await seeing the Reaper made during the "cuddly bunny" epoch