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[Rivercurse]

louise101 wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I don't think being born a biotic is a naturally occurring thing. It certainly wasn't with humans, the first humans had to be manually exposed to element zero in utero, and even then it wasn;t certain that they'd develop biotic abilities.

If Grunt's DNA is as pure krogan as it's supposed to be, why would he be a biotic?

Grunt is partly collector technology so he is not a pure krogan.

Then why does Okeer refer to his DNA as perfect and Grunt refer to himself as pure krogan?

[thompsmt]

Perhaps Okeer thought biotics would be in someway unnecessary in his super-soldier?



Intentional exposure would have also been more risk to the 'product' as well. That's the line of thinking I take.

[volus4life]

thompsmt wrote...

Perhaps Okeer thought biotics would be in someway unnecessary in his super-soldier?

Intentional exposure would have also been more risk to the 'product' as well. That's the line of thinking I take.

i was under the impression krogan had a disdain for technology in general, like i' think they've said before like "you guys beat us with weapons and science/medicine" or somethin like that, implying the krogans would win in a straight up fight with no weapons. maybe biotics falls under that category.

Modifié par volus4life, 26 janvier 2011 - 02:54 .

[lovgreno]

Mirander wrote...

My guess is Okeer didn't want to risk giving his masterpiece brain cancer for a chance of biotics.

Yeah, the results of tampering with biotics is hard to predict or controll *cough*Pragia*cough*. It's much up to pure luck wich is why we only meet biotics born with the potential they have.

[AntiChri5]

The way i understand it, Krogan become biotics through surgery.

[didymos1120]

AntiChri5 wrote...

The way i understand it, Krogan become biotics through surgery.

Uh, where'd you get that from? 

[didymos1120]

volus4life wrote...
i was under the impression krogan had a disdain for technology in general, like i' think they've said before like "you guys beat us with weapons and science/medicine" or somethin like that, implying the krogans would win in a straight up fight with no weapons.

No, they have a disdain for salarian-style tactics, like winning wars with a syringe.  They're quite fond of technology that involves bullets and explosions.  Just ask the Lord High Researcher.  The only reason they don't have more tech than they do is down to not being able to afford it along with the Citadel not allowing them to have things like fleets and the like.

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 janvier 2011 - 05:35 .

[InvincibleHero]

I would theorize he didn't get the training since Okeer died and we took grunt out of the tank. It is also possible the tank did try to teach him his biotic potential but because the tank "talks too much" he may have ignored it. He seems concerned with martial prowess over all.

[AntiChri5]

Uh, where'd you get that from? 

Well, technically, all races but asari need surgery to become useful biotics, but i think for krogan they can actually be created (rather then enhanced) by surgery. It only makes sense that krogan can survive operations which kill every and anything else.

Quick scan of the wiki turned this up:

Biotics are rare among the krogan, especially since the practice of surgically creating krogan biotics has been discontinued (due to the high mortality rate).

[lazuli]

Given the chance, how would you change his build to accommodate him being a biotic?

[didymos1120]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Quick scan of the wiki turned this up:

Biotics are rare among the krogan, especially since the practice of surgically creating krogan biotics has been discontinued (due to the high mortality rate).

Well, there's no source for that cited there, and that's not from the dialogue, books or the in-game Codex.  Even if it's legit, that definitely doesn't say all krogan biotics were surgically created. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:25 .

[shoggoth1890]

I'd have to go back and check, but I think it's during a conversation with Kaiden that reveals Asari to be the only natural biotics.

P.S. Love the change in your portrait didy, crocoduck ftw!

[didymos1120]

shoggoth1890 wrote...

I'd have to go back and check, but I think it's during a conversation with Kaiden that reveals Asari to be the only natural biotics.

Yes, I know about that: people get surgical implants to become effective biotics.  But that's not what made them biotic in the first place, which was in-utero eezo exposure.  Or doing lines of red sand, but that's very temporary and the effect is very weak.

  In any case, what I'm arguing against is the idea that all krogan biotics were created artificially via surgically implanting eezo in their nervous systems.  Other than an unsourced wiki statement, I know of no evidence to support that idea.  The closest we have to anything like that comes from Reaper tech:  Scions and Praetorians have biotic attacks and barriers respectively, all the Collectors have either barriers and/or can turn into biotics-flinging Harbingers, and Paul Grayson gained biotic abilities after being overhauled by Reaper nanotech.

[adam_grif]

This thread just reminds me how much I hate Asari for their nonsensical ability to have biotics through genetics. Miranda, too.

[didymos1120]

Mezzil wrote...


It's from the printed codex that came with the Collector's edition of ME1. But it says krogan still need to be exposed to ezero.

Isn't that "Essentials Edition 2183" version known for being not entirely reliable?  In any case, it's as I thought: krogan biotics can result from the same basic mechanism as other species, and the implants are there to make their abilities effective.

[SandTrout]

I'm having trouble remember the source, Didy, but I do recall the general gist of the Krogan biotics/surgry reference.

Krogan biotics are created the same way as most other species, through in-utero exposure to eezo, but are still rarer than other species. The Krogan, did, however, experiment with a surgical procedure that would produce a powerful biotic from a non-biotic krogan. The Krogan were the only species that was even marginally successful in these kinds of attempts due to their robust physiology, but they still exhibited a very high mortality rate in subjects.

I want to say that this was in some part of the ME1 codex.

You are correct in that not all Krogan biotics are created surgically though.

[SandTrout]

Disregard.

Modifié par SandTrout, 26 janvier 2011 - 09:20 .

[faeriehunter]

IIRC, the "Essentials Edition 2183" version was basically an earlier version of the codex. When it was printed ME1 was still being made, and certain parts of the codex were later changed, so it isn't entirely reliable. But things that aren't directly contradicted can generally be assumed to be true.

Careful reading of the part about biotic krogan shows that they aren't surgically created however. Instead, the surgery was attempting to raise the power level of a biotic krogan, who are almost all low powered.

So as far as I can tell Miranda (and maybe her "sister") is the only one whose biotic ability was intentionally added instead of a lucky accident. And even with her it's quite possible that her father just grew a lot of clones, exposed them all to element zero and only kept the ones that developed biotic ability.

From this I conclude that the reason that Okeer didn't make Grunt a biotic is because he didn't have the technology to do so. Most likely that technology doesn't even exist (yet).

Modifié par faeriehunter, 26 janvier 2011 - 09:26 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

Grunt is a pure krogan as in his biological makeup closely resembles that of which his genetic programming is trying to become. His organs are all perfectly functional, his height and muscle mass are above most of the other krogan you meet. He seems to be highly intelligent for a krogan being as he can actually control his rages instead of the other way around.

Asari are the only natural biotics, but even they need implants to really bring out the big boy powers like charge and singularity. Grunt hasn't been out of the tank until shep woke him. I would think that Okeer would have him implanted a little later down the line.

Modifié par jkflipflopDAO, 26 janvier 2011 - 10:33 .