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[Kusy]

Grunt's perfectness was not about biotics I guess. Okeers goal was ignore the genophage. He belived that Krogan born after the genophage took it's effect are weak, while every other Krogan considered that being born was already a sign of strenght.

His idea was to create a speciement that would prove superior to his own kind as it would be before the genophage started. Not adapted to the surviving the genophage but to surviving as a Krogan if that makes sense to you.

I'm trying to make up some kind of example. There are three little birds in the nest, each of them struggle and fight the other two to get food from the mother. It's often that the two stronger birds will push the weaker one out from the nest, killing it. Sometimes one of them dies because the others take it's share of the food. This way only two or one of those three birds will survive - the strongest ones.
If there's only one little bird in the nest then it's a lottery - it's unknown if the bird is weak or strong amongst other birds - it will survive because it's the only one that will get fed by his mother anyway.
And that's what happens with the genophage. The natural selection takes no effect - every child that survives the birth is taken care of well enough to survive even if it's not a really strong one amongst others. Okeer wanted to be sure he's creating specimen that would push others out of the nest rathar than being pushed out. In that way he denied the genophage. Biotics had nothing to do with this, he was looking for the ability to adapt.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:48 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Grunt is not a "perfect" krogan. He was built to be a "pure" krogan, to posses the best traits on the species. He was built to be something that would inspire the others about their own strength. Biotics were a consequence of element zero exposure, some kind of consequence to their contact with the salarians, so it was not something the krogan possessed themselves. Biotics would betray the concept.

[Lewie]

Rivercurse wrote...

louise101 wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I don't think being born a biotic is a naturally occurring thing. It certainly wasn't with humans, the first humans had to be manually exposed to element zero in utero, and even then it wasn;t certain that they'd develop biotic abilities.

If Grunt's DNA is as pure krogan as it's supposed to be, why would he be a biotic?

Grunt is partly collector technology so he is not a pure krogan.

Then why does Okeer refer to his DNA as perfect and Grunt refer to himself as pure krogan?

This confused me too but an email from TIM says that Grunt is based partially on Collector technology so don't lose the body if he as to be 'put down'. I don't know.

[lazuli]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

Given the chance, how would you change his build to accommodate him being a biotic?

I wouldn’t change his build. Grunt would be a biotic but he wouldn’t use any powers since he didn’t have the training.

I think I'd drop his ammo power in favor of Warp.

[Village_Idiot]

I have to admit I'd sooner have Grunt as a biotic than Thane. With Thane it was almost a throwaway fact that he was a biotic, as far as I know he nor any other characters ever mentioned the fact, whereas with other primary characters (Kaidan, Miranda, Jack e.t.c.) the fact they are biotic crops up frequently in dialogue. Having Grunt as biotic would certainly make his "supreme badass" image complete.

[Village_Idiot]

Mezzil wrote...

There's this too.

Chris L'Etoile wrote...
Your genes can give you a higher chance of safely integrating eezo into your body. To actually become biotic though, you need to be exposed to eezo. The best results are attained while the subject is developing in the womb (which risks the health of the mother as well as the child).

Attempts to artificially expose adults to eezo have a much higher rate of failure. It's far less likely that the eezo will get where it needs to go (meshed into the nervous system), as opposed to, say, sitting in the lungs and intestines causing cancers.

http://meforums.biow...54367&forum=123

Okeer could have made Grunt to have a higher chance of being made into a biotic.

This also begs the question: if artificial exposure to eezo is so unreliable, how the heck was Miranda "created" to be biotic?

[Gabey5]

non-asari arent natural biotics

[volus4life]

Shadrach 88 wrote...


This also begs the question: if artificial exposure to eezo is so unreliable, how the heck was Miranda "created" to be biotic?

miranda did say she was only one of numerous attempts, iirc. maybe the others didn't have biotits, so her father rejected them.

maybe it means her twin sister has biotics too!

[Exile Isan]

Shadrach 88 wrote...
This also begs the question: if artificial exposure to eezo is so unreliable, how the heck was Miranda "created" to be biotic?

"I wasn't the first one he made, I was the first one he kept." ~Miranda Lawson

She wasn't the first child that her father grew she was just the first one he didn't disregard. It follows to reason that those other children that he disposed of could have been disposed of because they were failures in regards to eezo exposure and biotics.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 26 janvier 2011 - 07:45 .

[shoggoth1890]

volus4life wrote...

miranda did say she was only one of numerous attempts, iirc. maybe the others didn't have biotits, so her father rejected them.

*childish giggle*

[volus4life]

shoggoth1890 wrote...

volus4life wrote...
miranda did say she was only one of numerous attempts, iirc. maybe the others didn't have biotits, so her father rejected them.

*childish giggle*

well, damn.

i guess its time for the obligatory biotit implant joke, now.

this would also explain why jack (not as stacked as miranda) suggested you upgrade her biotit implants.

[darknoon5]

Look at the video omega on the main site.



Grunt was originally meant to have biotics. Probably cut for some reason, like Mordin being biotic.

[Spartas Husky]

darknoon5 wrote...

Look at the video omega on the main site.

Grunt was originally meant to have biotics. Probably cut for some reason, like Mordin being biotic.

they were both ment to have em??.... that sucks. Would be sweet if grunt was a mini wrex. sigh

[jayred vas normandy]

[quote]Spartas Husky wrote...


now what was said earlier. Biotics are not developed, you are born with them, or you are not.

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wiki says shep was exposed after birth( around age 12 or 13 id have to look agin) so that would suggest that they can be developed.

Modifié par jayred vas normandy, 26 janvier 2011 - 09:19 .

[Pacifien]

I believe the wiki actually states that a biotic Shepard was exposed twice, once in the womb and another around puberty.

I suppose Grunt could have been meant to have biotics at one point, just like Mordin, only to have it cut for game balance issues. Looking for in-game reasons, I can imagine Okeer would think pure krogan is everything the krogan's have ever managed to achieve genetically without exposure to eezo, which is a crapshoot process in developing powerful biotics anyway. Perhaps many of his failures dealt with him trying to get a biotic pure krogan, and even with Collector technology, it wasn't feasible. I don't actually think that'd be the case considering he was using Collector technology, so I'm going to go with Okeer just being a real stickler for what defines pure kroganness.

[Lord Zeuss]

Biotics? Krogan don't need no stinkin' biotics!

[jayred vas normandy]

just checked wiki but only saw ref to one time exposed.

[Pacifien]

jayred vas normandy wrote...
just checked wiki but only saw ref to one time exposed.

Mass Effect Wiki's Talk Page on Biotics - The timeline on that page is from Chris L'Etoile, apparently from a reference used by the development team. A biotic Shepard gets a second exposure in 2168.

Modifié par Pacifien, 26 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .

[Village_Idiot]

Exile Isan wrote...

Shadrach 88 wrote...
This also begs the question: if artificial exposure to eezo is so unreliable, how the heck was Miranda "created" to be biotic?

"I wasn't the first one he made, I was the first one he kept." ~Miranda Lawson

She wasn't the first child that her father grew she was just the first one he didn't disregard. It follows to reason that those other children that he disposed of could have been disposed of because they were failures in regards to eezo exposure and biotics.

That makes sense, thanks. Out of interest, when is that line spoken? Don't remember it in my own playthroughs.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I always figured that since Okeer wanted Grunt to be a "template" for the genetically perfect krogan, he would leave biotics out since, as I understand, biotics are not naturally occurring in krogan.

Since a template is a base to work from, I assume Okeer figured that krogan down the road which were based on Grunt would occasionally have (or be given) biotics.

That plan of course died with Okeer, but considering how popular Grunt became within Urdnot after his LM (breeding requests), I imagine his "perfection" will at least somewhat leak into the krogan population.

[Spartas Husky]

Pacifien wrote...

jayred vas normandy wrote...
just checked wiki but only saw ref to one time exposed.

Mass Effect Wiki's Talk Page on Biotics - The timeline on that page is from Chris L'Etoile, apparently from a reference used by the development team. A biotic Shepard gets a second exposure in 2168.

I thought exposure to ezzo after birth was even worse than before it?

[jayred vas normandy]

Pacifien wrote...

jayred vas normandy wrote...
just checked wiki but only saw ref to one time exposed.

Mass Effect Wiki's Talk Page on Biotics - The timeline on that page is from Chris L'Etoile, apparently from a reference used by the development team. A biotic Shepard gets a second exposure in 2168.

just saw that, but is this just fan sepculation or is it from the devs?

[EternalPink]

From what i remember of speaking to Okeer his complaint was that any Krogan being born was being treasured merely for being born, the genophage made no distinction between the weak and the strong.



Anybody that's seen 300 or knows about the Spartans would know that the weak and the sickly were exposed to the elements/left for dead and that seems to me what Okeer wants, he doesn't care how many Krogan there are as long as the ones that are about are strong.

[Spartas Husky]

EternalPink wrote...

From what i remember of speaking to Okeer his complaint was that any Krogan being born was being treasured merely for being born, the genophage made no distinction between the weak and the strong.

Anybody that's seen 300 or knows about the Spartans would know that the weak and the sickly were exposed to the elements/left for dead and that seems to me what Okeer wants, he doesn't care how many Krogan there are as long as the ones that are about are strong.

....Also remember the ones inspecting the "weak"... were over conservative priests who probably were too old to be alive in the first place.

but yes the idea remains.

personally... not sure if it was mentioned before. Anyone who survives the genophage carries over every single other trait there is.. thereby ignoring the genophage. That way the only trait is filtered is not just surviving the bio weapon