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[Saibh]

Connect wrote...
1. Not. Because you didn't have to go online at all to play the main game or install it.

2. Nope. It's for the full game, not just DLC.

Hey. Maybe I'm wrong, but:

INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
REQUIRED TO PLAY AND TO ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ONLINE
FEATURES AND/OR SERVICES

That sounds a hella lot like you must have an internet connection to get bonus content. Maybe the capslock is confusing you:

Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA required to play and to acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services.

Have we heard differently?

[Connect]

generalkorrd wrote...

If the drm is the worst thing that you can find to whine about, which doesnt affect gameplay in any way, then I am in for a fun time with this game.

It does affect the gameplay if I can't start the damn game without going online.

[marshalleck]

Connect wrote...

generalkorrd wrote...

If the drm is the worst thing that you can find to whine about, which doesnt affect gameplay in any way, then I am in for a fun time with this game.

It does affect the gameplay if I can't start the damn game without going online.

What are you still on 56k? Afraid to tie up the phone line?

Modifié par marshalleck, 26 janvier 2011 - 03:06 .

[Kinkaku]

[spam removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 26 janvier 2011 - 03:47 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

If the DRM is an online check each time the game is fired up, it's unacceptable to me. If the DRM is a one time authentication online, I can deal with that, but I still prefer the disc check method ME2 had.

But I wanted to address your issue with the locking of the last thread. I just revisited the thread and the only Bioware comment was this:

Stanley Woo wrote...
Sorry, but I'm going to shut down this discussion now, as there's far
too much discussion of circumventing copy protection and going
off-topic.







End of line.

That doesn't seem censoring or mocking. It wasn't particularly helpful either, but given the direction the conversation was headed, it was perfectly reasonable.

[BTCentral]

Connect wrote...

It does affect the gameplay if I can't start the damn game without going online.

If you've got an issue with that, then don't buy it. It's as simple as that.
If not, then stop complaining - it's not going to achieve anything.

Modifié par BTCentral, 26 janvier 2011 - 03:10 .

[ENolan]

[spam removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 26 janvier 2011 - 03:47 .

[Connect]

Saibh wrote...

Connect wrote...
1. Not. Because you didn't have to go online at all to play the main game or install it.

2. Nope. It's for the full game, not just DLC.

Hey. Maybe I'm wrong, but:

INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
REQUIRED TO PLAY AND TO ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ONLINE
FEATURES AND/OR SERVICES

That sounds a hella lot like you must have an internet connection to get bonus content. Maybe the capslock is confusing you:

Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA required to play and to acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services.

Have we heard differently?

Well, that's the problem. No one will talk to us, no one will clarify things. Everyone just wants to hush up the discussion and let everyone understand what they want. As long as we give them the money, they don't care.

But since the EULA says "required to play", that means it's required for the main game too, sadly.

[In Exile]

Saibh wrote...
Hey. Maybe I'm wrong, but:

INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT
REQUIRED TO PLAY AND TO ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ONLINE
FEATURES AND/OR SERVICES

That sounds a hella lot like you must have an internet connection to get bonus content. Maybe the capslock is confusing you:

Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA required to play and to acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services.

Have we heard differently?

I think you're reading it wrong. I believe the logic is:

(Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA) required (to play and to acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services).

As a skeleton, it would be "A required [to] B" where A:Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA and B:to play and to
acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services.

Modifié par In Exile, 26 janvier 2011 - 03:09 .

[Soul Cool]

BTCentral wrote...
Dragon Age toolset, thought it was appropriate.

Ah, I've never played with the toolset, but that looks an awful lot like VB. Is BioWare messin' with me?

[Connect]

BTCentral wrote...

Connect wrote...

It does affect the gameplay if I can't start the damn game without going online.

If you've got an issue with that, then don't buy it. It's as simple as that.
If not, then stop complaining - it's not going to achieve anything.

If I don't speak my concerns then the publisher will not know why potential customers don't purchase their product. Look at what happened to Spore. So, voicing my complains *DOES* help.

[generalkorrd]

Connect wrote...

generalkorrd wrote...

If the drm is the worst thing that you can find to whine about, which doesnt affect gameplay in any way, then I am in for a fun time with this game.

It does affect the gameplay if I can't start the damn game without going online.

Thou dost whine too much

I do believe the chicken avatar you have is perfect for you, as you cluck and cluck, but it makes no sense

[Saibh]

In Exile wrote...

I think you're reading it wrong. I believe the logic is:

(Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA) required (to play and to
acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services).

As a skeleton, it would be "A required [to] B" where A:Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA and B:to play and to
acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services.

Possibly. As Connect said, we've been given no indication on what it actually means. I do think it's rather unfair to require internet access to play a game you own, so, hopefully not.

[Connect]

Saibh wrote...

In Exile wrote...

I think you're reading it wrong. I believe the logic is:

(Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA) required (to play and to
acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services).

As a skeleton, it would be "A required [to] B" where A:Intenet connection and acceptance of EULA and B:to play and to
acces bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services.

Possibly. As Connect said, we've been given no indication on what it actually means. I do think it's rather unfair to require internet access to play a game you own, so, hopefully not.

Not to mention a FULLY single player game. I would understand if it was a multiplayer only game (since you would need to be online to play it), but a single player game?

[Erode_The_Soul]

Saibh wrote...


Possibly. As Connect said, we've been given no indication on what it actually means. I do think it's rather unfair to require internet access to play a game you own, so, hopefully not.

It would be incredibly helpful if someone would let us know just what the DRM entails. Like I said, I can deal with a single authentification, though I prefer they do away with that too. However, if this DRM is an online authentication each time the game is fired up, that's a step in Ubisoft's direction and totally unacceptable to me.

[Sticky Controller]

Down with the establishment! ... Oh wait, nope! I Bioware. Nevermind. I want more games.

[In Exile]

Saibh wrote...
Possibly. As Connect said, we've been given no indication on what it actually means. I do think it's rather unfair to require internet access to play a game you own, so, hopefully not.

If you needed an activation, I would bet the EULA would rather say:

Intenet activation and acceptance of EULA required to play and to acces
bonus content (if any) and online features and/or services.

From the DA2 EULA, we have:

Technical Protection Measures. This Software uses EA Activation
content protection technology. An EA Account, including the acceptance
of EA’s online Terms of Service and Privacy Policy (available at
www.ea.com), and an Internet connection are required to authenticate
the Software and verify your license upon the initial launch of the
Software on any unique machine (“Authenticate” or “Authentication”).
The serial code provided with this Software will be verified during
Authentication. Authentication is limited to one EA Account per serial
code. Accordingly, this Software is not transferable once Authenticated.
EA reserves the right to validate your license through subsequent online
Authentication. While there is no limit on the total number of machines
on which the Software can be Authenticated, you may launch and
access the Software on no more than five (5) unique machines in any
rolling 24-hour period. If you disable or otherwise tamper with the
technical protection measures, the Software may not function properly
and you will have materially breached this License.

It's not 100% clear that we need to validate more than once, but since EA "reserves the right" and they want to limit activation to at most 5 unique PCs in a 24hr period... I can't see any way beside authentication at each start-up.

[sevalaricgirl]

Wow, I'm not going to like this if I have to be connected to the internet to play the game since I play at work, when I have weekend shifts (engineering coverage) on my alienware m11x and I don't have internet access. That means I won't be able to play the game at work at all. If Bioware/EA did that then it's pretty stupid. I can see needing one to activate the game and to download the DLC, but not to play the game.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 26 janvier 2011 - 03:20 .

[PsychoBlonde]

Soul Cool wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
Dragon Age toolset, thought it was appropriate.

Ah, I've never played with the toolset, but that looks an awful lot like VB. Is BioWare messin' with me?

It also looks a lot like C++ if you've ever used that language.  It is not uncommon for languages to use similar structuring--it makes it easier for programmers to switch from one to another.

I had a short exchange with Evil Chris a while ago when I was asking about the DRM, and frankly I'm not at all surprised if they've adopted (slightly) stronger measures than before.  ME2 made the top 5 list of most pirated games in 2010.  No, that's not a joke.  Anyway, Evil Chris told me that he doesn't have any info to release as of yet, and we'll know what he knows as soon as he knows it and is allowed to disclose it (hah, rhymes).  DRM is set by EA, not Bioware, and EA has some weird-ass marketing policies and decision-making procedures since they're so big.

If you want to kvetch at someone, kvetch at all the people you probably know who pirated ME2. 

[In Exile]

Connect wrote...
Not to mention a FULLY single player game. I would understand if it was a multiplayer only game (since you would need to be online to play it), but a single player game?

I don't think there are any grounds to say that requiring a piece of hardware or software to run the game is in any way a violation of consumer rights. Games do this constantly based on minimum hardware and OS requirements.

[TRSniper4]

My only concern with online activation is this:



What happens in the year 2021 when I want to play this game? Will EA still have their online activation servers up? If not, how will I install this game on my new computer of the future? For those of us who enjoy playing old games, this is a legitimate concern.

[PsychoBlonde]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Wow, I'm not going to like this if I have to be connected to the internet to play the game since I play at work, when I have weekend shifts (engineering coverage) on my alienware m11x and I don't have internet access. That means I won't be able to play the game at work at all. If Bioware did that then it's pretty stupid. I can see needing one to activate the game and to download the DLC, but not to play the game.

Shouldn't you be, I don't know, WORKING?!

Sounds like a sweet gig to me.  Why not just take along a different game and play that instead?

[Soul Cool]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
Dragon Age toolset, thought it was appropriate.

Ah, I've never played with the toolset, but that looks an awful lot like VB. Is BioWare messin' with me?

It also looks a lot like C++ if you've ever used that language.  It is not uncommon for languages to use similar structuring--it makes it easier for programmers to switch from one to another.

I have, but it was mostly console stuff, and that was over ten months ago. VB is much more fresh in my mind, as well as C#. I love VB, though. It's so easy. =P

[generalkorrd]

I love how you complainers say how it is "totally unacceptable" and continue to whine and cry. What are ya gonna do, not buy the game? If you're not going to buy it, why are you here? quitcher****in and grow a pair already, my 2 year old girl whines less than you people.

[sevalaricgirl]

I bought 2 copies of ME2 and also pre-ordered 2 copies of DA2. My son and I both love rpgs, but like I said, I use my free time at work to play the games and if I can't open it because of some DRM that's pretty ridiculous.