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[Anathemic]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Witcher 2 laughs in DA2's face

2 different type of RPGs.  Its like comparing Bioware games to Bathesda games.If you like no character development and a story about one person, sure get Witcher 2. But if you like micro management with party banter with up to 4 party members go for Dragon AGe. 

Oh boy here comes the storm

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

could we get some info on this silence? tis most disturbing!

[wxman]

Having to access the internet every time to play is definitely a concern to me. My brother never played DA:O past his origin story because he couldn't "log in" from with the game to access the free DLC he was entitled to for purchasing the game. The servers just refused to talk with his PC for some obscure reason. Pissed him off so much he shelved Origins and never played it as well as promising to boycott all future Bioware games (with the exception of The Old Republic). I imagine with this game having to access the server just to play, my brother or someone like him would be completely unable to play...

[Phoenixblight]

Anathemic wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Witcher 2 laughs in DA2's face

2 different type of RPGs.  Its like comparing Bioware games to Bathesda games.If you like no character development and a story about one person, sure get Witcher 2. But if you like micro management with party banter with up to 4 party members go for Dragon AGe. 

Oh boy here comes the storm

Its the truth, not saying its a horrible RPG I have the original WItcher along with most of Bathesda and Bioware games. Each of their RPGs are different and they give different aspects to what they consider a RPG. Witcher is like James Bond of the fantasy RPG. 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 20 février 2011 - 02:33 .

[Homebound]

WHAT IS DRM AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO ME?

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I hate to ask, but what is the "best case/worst case" scenario for the silence on the DRM scheme?

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

What was the original DRM scheme like for Origins?

Modifié par Blood-Lord Thanatos, 20 février 2011 - 02:56 .

[Anathemic]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Witcher 2 laughs in DA2's face

2 different type of RPGs.  Its like comparing Bioware games to Bathesda games.If you like no character development and a story about one person, sure get Witcher 2. But if you like micro management with party banter with up to 4 party members go for Dragon AGe. 

Oh boy here comes the storm

Its the truth, not saying its a horrible RPG I have the original WItcher along with most of Bathesda and Bioware games. Each of their RPGs are different and they give different aspects to what they consider a RPG. Witcher is like James Bond of the fantasy RPG. 

Have you played the game? The character, Geralt, is fully controlled by you, you direct his actions, his dialogue, everything, except his physique.

Sure it's a predetermined character, but CD Projekt Red still made him available to mold to the player's liking (amnesia). Hell you can make Geralt turn into the opposite of what he was in the books.

[slimgrin]

Just_mike wrote...

WHAT IS DRM AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO ME?

If you game on a pc, it's important. Anathemic and Pheonix blight, please stop. You are both off topic.

http://en.wikipedia....ghts_management

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 février 2011 - 02:43 .

[Homebound]

slimgrin wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

WHAT IS DRM AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO ME?

If you game on a pc, it's important. Anathemic and Pheonix blight, please stop. You are both off topic.

http://en.wikipedia....ghts_management

could u sum up the issue in a nutshell? what exactly is the problem with drm on the pc?


nvm found it: I can only install the game 5 or so times?...dam..this is bad. Can I register it on Steam?

Modifié par Just_mike, 20 février 2011 - 02:47 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

ever heard of Secu-Rom? that is the worst excuse for DRM ever.

[Homebound]

im in the process of moving so I know im going to be uninstalling and re-installing stuff on my former computer..i just hope my mass2 copy still has a load or 2.

[slimgrin]

Just_mike wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

WHAT IS DRM AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO ME?

If you game on a pc, it's important. Anathemic and Pheonix blight, please stop. You are both off topic.

http://en.wikipedia....ghts_management

could u sum up the issue in a nutshell? what exactly is the problem with drm on the pc?

I'll assume you aren't trolling...

Some types of DRM are unfair, like having a constant or even periodic internet connection for a game you have legally bought. There are many other problems with DRM that are too lengthy to go into. Surprised you haven't heard of it, but maybe you don't game on pc.

If you want to learn about it, just google it.

[mcneil_1]

Just_mike wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

WHAT IS DRM AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO ME?

If you game on a pc, it's important. Anathemic and Pheonix blight, please stop. You are both off topic.

http://en.wikipedia....ghts_management

could u sum up the issue in a nutshell? what exactly is the problem with drm on the pc?


nvm found it: I can only install the game 5 or so times?...dam..this is bad. Can I register it on Steam?

If I remember correctly, you can only install it 5 times in a certain given period (but all are linked to one EA/Bioware account), plus the game itself as a part of the drm will (tentatively) phone home to EA's server just to make sure you have a legit copy and Bioware/EA account every so often <_<

As for registering it on steam I dont think so (no store bought EA game as far as I can tell has been able to do that).

Modifié par mcneil_1, 20 février 2011 - 02:55 .

[MartinPham]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

what was the original DRM scheme like for Origins?

See HERE RE: Evaluation on Dragon Age + Its DRM at the time.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

MartinPham wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

what was the original DRM scheme like for Origins?

See HERE RE: Evaluation on Dragon Age + Its DRM at the time.

Is that link safe to click on?

[Homebound]

mcneil_1 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

WHAT IS DRM AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO ME?

If you game on a pc, it's important. Anathemic and Pheonix blight, please stop. You are both off topic.

http://en.wikipedia....ghts_management

could u sum up the issue in a nutshell? what exactly is the problem with drm on the pc?


nvm found it: I can only install the game 5 or so times?...dam..this is bad. Can I register it on Steam?

If I remember correctly, you can only install it 5 times in a certain given period (but all are linked to one EA/Bioware account), plus the game itself as a part of the drm will (tentatively) phone home to EA's server just to make sure you have a legit copy and Bioware/EA account every so often <_<

As for registering it on steam I dont think so (no store bought EA game as far as I can tell has been able to do that).

talk about going all the way around your ass to get to your thumb.  The more i read about this, the more it seems like its MORE OF A HASSLE to get the game LEGITIMATELY.

[MartinPham]

Tricky_Rich wrote...
That is why people need an update now, because the game has gone gold, which would presumably mean that that is in there currently is set in stone!

Exactly! They (EA/Bioware) are obligated to provide the game that matches the description end-to-end. I asked the questions previously because the discrepancies were obvious. Come general release people will find out and realise that it may or may not be true.

Any lack of DRM notification from EA/Bioware is reflective of their DRM policy unless they change their stance between now and March 8.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I really hope that the DRM is the same as the one on Origins. If not, I might still pre-order on the off chance that EA decides to amend the DRM at a later date.

[Mage One]

mcneil_1 wrote...
If I remember correctly, you can only install it 5 times in a certain given period (but all are linked to one EA/Bioware account), plus the game itself as a part of the drm will (tentatively) phone home to EA's server just to make sure you have a legit copy and Bioware/EA account every so often <_<

As for registering it on steam I dont think so (no store bought EA game as far as I can tell has been able to do that).

That's not correct, actually.  You can install it as many times and on as many systems as you like.  You can only play it on up to five systems within a 24-hour period.  You can read more details on the first post here.  Note, though, that they do not disclose what information they collect when the game "phones home."  Also, it has been noted elsewhere that it seems whatever they put on your system may interfere with other programs on your PC that can "potentially" interfere with their DRM, and the game can only ever be authorised to one account.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Mage One wrote...

mcneil_1 wrote...
If I remember correctly, you can only install it 5 times in a certain given period (but all are linked to one EA/Bioware account), plus the game itself as a part of the drm will (tentatively) phone home to EA's server just to make sure you have a legit copy and Bioware/EA account every so often <_<

As for registering it on steam I dont think so (no store bought EA game as far as I can tell has been able to do that).

That's not correct, actually.  You can install it as many times and on as many systems as you like.  You can only play it on up to five systems within a 24-hour period.  You can read more details on the first post here.  Note, though, that they do not disclose what information they collect when the game "phones home."  Also, it has been noted elsewhere that it seems whatever they put on your system may interfere with other programs on your PC that can "potentially" interfere with their DRM, and the game can only ever be authorised to one account.

Well then, I suppose that I should pass on getting Fadeshear and the Orlesian Shield then.

[Mage One]

Well, a lot of us are waiting for full disclosure. In that same thread, they said they hadn't decided whether or not all the systems mentioned would be included. (This was after questions of how long the game could go without "phoning home.") So there are a good number of us who are waiting to hear the final word before we make our decision. The general impression most of us have is because they'll give the final word on DRM after the demo launches on the hopes that after playing the demo, we'll get the game despite them having put in the sort of DRM we've been hoping they won't. As I've said, I hope we're wrong because I really want to get the game, but no matter how awesome the demo is, if it has certain systems in place, I won't.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Mage One wrote...

Well, a lot of us are waiting for full disclosure. In that same thread, they said they hadn't decided whether or not all the systems mentioned would be included. (This was after questions of how long the game could go without "phoning home.") So there are a good number of us who are waiting to hear the final word before we make our decision. The general impression most of us have is because they'll give the final word on DRM after the demo launches on the hopes that after playing the demo, we'll get the game despite them having put in the sort of DRM we've been hoping they won't. As I've said, I hope we're wrong because I really want to get the game, but no matter how awesome the demo is, if it has certain systems in place, I won't.

Well, at least you're an honest and rational person. Most of the people speaking outrageously about DRM have clearly played DA:O but conspiculously do not have the game under their avatar while posting, loosing any sense of credibility here. And while one could come up with a million excuses for this, I tend to believe the simple answers tend to be the correct ones more often than not. 

At least you're a paying customer. I'm not sure why so man of the other protestors think anyone should care about their opinion on this matter if they didn't bother to  pay to play the game in the first place.

Anyways, while I personally think DRM is completely ineffective, I also have had no personal issues with it.  I don't really care if they are collecting private information from me or if I have to be connected to the internet or any of a million other reasons people give for disliking DRM. I've never had a game stop working because of DRM-no matter how draconian-either, though I'm aware such posts always spring up of these issues happening.

But, since I do think DRM is completely ineffective, as people brought up in the age of Google who believe everything in life should be "free" are probably going to pirate a game, DRM or not, I'd think companies would save a lot of angst if they just didn't bother with it. DRM, all by itself, is rarely-if ever-the reason someone decided to pirate a game, despite all  the self-righteous "DRM is evil, and I'm going to pirate to show you!!!" comments on the internet. Such comments are just moral brushes individuals use to paint up their own amoral selves with so they can sleep at night. Some people will always "cheat" to get free stuff. DRM doesn't stop these people.

Lastly, the business argument that it is to protect against all that money "lost" to pirates, makes no real sense either. You can't loose money you never had to begin with, and I think it foolish in the extreme to assume every pirate would have bought your game if there was no way for them to get a hold of a pirated copy. A percent sure, but most definitely not all of them.

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 20 février 2011 - 04:03 .

[Tabak]

Edited because I responded to kjdhgfiliuhwe before considering that any response would be off-topic. 
We really need to keep this discussion totally on topic & not discuss anything to do with illegal alternatives to the DRM because its important that this thread stays open. Let's not give Bioware any excuses for closing this thread!

Modifié par Tabak, 20 février 2011 - 06:48 .