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[Tabak]

Fernando Melo wrote...

I hope to have an update this week - we've had a lot of folks out of the office recently (I was out last week myself), and i want to ensure the info is correct, it is not something we're ignoring.

In the meantime, the drm status is the same as on my original post. There is no securom, but like Origins it is possible some 3rd party digital sites add their own. Check with the site you intend to buy from to be sure - but definitely won't be on Steam or EA Store, or retail disc.

There is no drm on the demo.

The system we use is not the same as the dlc system from Origins.

F

Thank you for the update Fernando. It's good to know you are around & information will be coming. Hopefully, everything will be explained so we can make an informed decision before the pre-order bonus offers expire. 

Tricky_Rich wrote...
Errr...forgive me for bringing this up, but doesn't the EULA state the inclusion of Cider and isn't SecuROM part of Cider?

That's a question I really want an answer to as well. 

(Edited out typos). 

Modifié par Tabak, 21 février 2011 - 11:23 .

[Ryzaki]

Thanks for the update Fernando.



So no info on that X amount of days offline yet?

[daverian]

Phoenixblight wrote...

daverian wrote...

I'm
unfortunately going to have to cancel my pre-order. I have dialup at my
house, which an older computer is attached to for the family to use. My
gaming rig is multiple rooms away and has no modem in it. Sure, modems
don't cost that much, and I guess I could drag a wire across my house
for the random Internet checks the game does, but why should I have to
do this if I legitimately bought a copy? Why should I have this
inconvenience?

The answer is, I shouldn't. I am therefore
canceling my preorder. This will be the first Bioware game in a long
time that I haven't bought. I'll change my mind when I'm reimbursed for
the modem and phone line I have to purchase along with the time to
install it all.

This really sucks because DA:O was amazing, and
DA2 looks fantastic as well!  I preordered this within a few days of it
being on Amazon, WAY before the signature edition stuff was announced.
Now, after waiting this long, and being this close, gonna have to
cancel...

How did you play DAO with dial up it
did the same exact thing and more so because it had to validate the dlc
everytime you loaded up? Not trying to be mean, I am curious. 

I packed up my computer, monitor, etc. and hauled it 30 minutes away to a friends house. Hooked it up to high speed, installed the game, registered the game, and got the Stone Prisoner stuff. I never had to reconnect to the Internet again with it. This was a hassle, but acceptable for a Bioware game that I would get tons of greatness out of. It is not acceptable to do this once a week, once a month, or whatever the case may be. And who knows EVEN IF I decided to go this route (which I will absolutely not), that the game will stay registered for that period. Steam messes up with it's offline mode. This is EA here...I have no faith.

Lennonkun wrote...

daverian wrote...

I'm unfortunately going to have to cancel my pre-order. I have dialup at my house, which an older computer is attached to for the family to use. My gaming rig is multiple rooms away and has no modem in it. Sure, modems don't cost that much, and I guess I could drag a wire across my house for the random Internet checks the game does, but why should I have to do this if I legitimately bought a copy? Why should I have this inconvenience?

The answer is, I shouldn't. I am therefore canceling my preorder. This will be the first Bioware game in a long time that I haven't bought. I'll change my mind when I'm reimbursed for the modem and phone line I have to purchase along with the time to install it all.

This really sucks because DA:O was amazing, and DA2 looks fantastic as well!  I preordered this within a few days of it being on Amazon, WAY before the signature edition stuff was announced. Now, after waiting this long, and being this close, gonna have to cancel...

There are other options. As much as using a cracked exe is looked down upon, if you purchased the game yourself, I see no fault in doing such a thing to make what you purchased playable, breach of EULA or not.

Yeah, but if I'm going to break the law I might as well go all the way. If you simply pushed a guy away from you that you didn't like and was in your face, and got charged the same fine for punching him, wouldn't you have rather just punched him?





I have a conspiracy theory here, and I'm nearly ready to call it fact. I think that EA loves to hit PC games with annoying DRM to simply make the console sales better. This isn't ANYTHING to do with stopping piracy, it's to do with more people buying console versions and the PC sales declining so low that they start convincing share holders and companies under their command to go console instead of PC when releasing video games. Why? Consoles are probably cheaper to make games for, probably make them more money (PC games are usually cheaper), and there is less with Pirating both the game and the DLC. Plus, when a new console comes out, they can resell the same game again as consoles are losing backwards compatibility. Dragon Age 1 didn't have DRM simply because it was heavily designed for PC and ported, somewhat poorly, to consoles. Dragon Age 2 though was made FOR consoles pretty much, but also works "well" (we will see in the demo) with PCs. Makes total sense, and follows EA and many big company mottos -> "money money money!" Yes, I understand you can't lose money, but there is such a thing as customer satisfaction and good products as well....

Unfortunately, when it gets to be that most games are made for consoles, pirating will explode for them more than what already exists. In the end, you can't beat piracy by harsh restrictions to paying customers or by putting out bad products (not saying DA2 is bad, but saying that some games are).

[Mage One]

Thank you for the update, Fernando, such as it is. I look forward to the full breakdown.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

okay, forgive me for not relaxing until I hear the full details on the DRM schema

[daverian]

To be honest, I don't understand the reasoning behind needing the game to connect to the Internet more than once (I don't like DRM at all, but if pirates can get past it connecting once and checking, they can get past it needing to connect multiple times).



so pointless and annoying....

[MartinPham]

I've done a recheck of Dragon Age 2's EULA and the summarised version of the DRM implemented has changed on its Product EULA page

ONLINE PASS SERIAL CODE EXPIRES MARCH 31, 2012. EA ACCOUNT, REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODES, INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT REQUIRED TO PLAY AND TO ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ONLINE FEATURES AND/OR SERVICES. SERIAL CODES ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE AND REGISTER FOR AN EA ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES

Note the differences in description between Chris Priestly's initial release, EA's current EULA on DA2 and what's said above.

So yes, there's more questions to be asked now. Hope Bioware has the answers for them.

Modifié par MartinPham, 23 février 2011 - 08:46 .

[tishyw]

MartinPham wrote...

I've done a recheck of Dragon Age 2's EULA and the summarised version of the DRM implemented has changed on its Product EULA page

ONLINE PASS SERIAL CODE EXPIRES MARCH 31, 2012. EA ACCOUNT, REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODES, INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT REQUIRED TO PLAY AND TO ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ONLINE FEATURES AND/OR SERVICES. SERIAL CODES ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE AND REGISTER FOR AN EA ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES

Note the differences in description between Chris Priestly's initial release, EA's current EULA on DA2 and what's said above.

So yes, there's more questions to be asked now. Hope Bioware has the answers for them.

That sounds a bit better to me, the "EA reserves the right to validate your license through subsequent online
Authentication" line has gone.  Or am I missing something?

[LadyAlekto]

I did not read the entire thread but i need to say this about DRM

Use STEAM, sure it has its draconian kind of forcing you to use it, but as a copy protection it is great, you do have only to activate the game and dont stay online to play them, you got the friendslist achievements etc and so forth for a paying customer who does not need to juggle disc's and you got a game secured to a single account/person

Consumer friendly, auto updating, instant messenging, digital rights management software that does not care for the machines its been installed on, only for the account (tho i've run into a problem with using mw2-english and german on one machine with 2 accounts, which is bad as i cant game that at my lovers system, but thats a different story where ea ****ed up)

And i got dragonage2 and me2 on steam preorder... me1 i bought, but never unpacked and played the pirated version as that was customer friendly......

[robotnist]

odd that in the PC gamer review, under the games stat listings where it shows the games name, developer, release date etc, at the bottom of that list, it said DRM- securom... ???



so, either 1 it was a typo or 2 someone knows something that no one else does... it could be EA knows and no one else, or it could be EA+Bio///...

[Tabak]

tishyw wrote...

MartinPham wrote...

I've done a recheck of Dragon Age 2's EULA and the summarised version of the DRM implemented has changed on its Product EULA page

ONLINE PASS SERIAL CODE EXPIRES MARCH 31, 2012. EA ACCOUNT, REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODES, INTERNET CONNECTION AND ACCEPTANCE OF END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT REQUIRED TO PLAY AND TO ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ONLINE FEATURES AND/OR SERVICES. SERIAL CODES ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE AND REGISTER FOR AN EA ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES

Note the differences in description between Chris Priestly's initial release, EA's current EULA on DA2 and what's said above.

So yes, there's more questions to be asked now. Hope Bioware has the answers for them.

That sounds a bit better to me, the "EA reserves the right to validate your license through subsequent online
Authentication" line has gone.  Or am I missing something?

Note that this is only the summary. The full EULA appears unchanged. You can read it here (28 pages to baffle & confuse): http://eacom.s3.amaz... Cider_.1.4.pdf

There are LOADS of discepancies between the EULA and what Bioware has previously stated. 

[Tabak]

etherhonky wrote...

odd that in the PC gamer review, under the games stat listings where it shows the games name, developer, release date etc, at the bottom of that list, it said DRM- securom... ???

so, either 1 it was a typo or 2 someone knows something that no one else does... it could be EA knows and no one else, or it could be EA+Bio///...

The EULA says the game uses Cider. Cider includes SecuROM. While Cider is a Mac wrapper that allows developers to produce one disk for both PC & Mac, the SecuROM usually affects both versions. (Links to the full EULA are in this thread). 

EA used the same thing for Dead Space 2 and both PC & Mac got hit with SecuROM (without this being disclosed by EA). 

Bioware has stated there is no SecuROM. PC Gamer says there is. Someone isn't being straight with us. 

[Tabak]

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

I did not read the entire thread but i need to say this about DRM

Use STEAM,.... <snip>

Not exactly relevant to this discussion. The thread is about the DRM in the boxed, retail version of the game. It's not about DRM in general, or about digital versions. Its about getting answers to questions relating to the DRM that applies to the retail version only.

[Tabak]

One reason I can't play if regular revalidation checks are used is the cost of Internet access. I just downloaded the demo. It took 4 hours to download and cost me $20. EA might want to build in online features for every game released in 2011 but this move seriously disadvantages anyone who doesnt have cheap, reliable internet access. I appreciate this "free" demo though.

[Leonick91]

I for one think the DRM is an improvement over DAO and ME2.
Ill gladly have a few limits like only play on 5 different computers during a 24h computer, something which will never limit me, or having to activate it online... Gladly if that means I don't have to bother with the games disc once it's installed...
As long as they don't do like with ME1, which they wont, and only allow 5 installs after which I have to contact EA to get another I am fine.

Still wanna know how many days it can be played offline between the logins, not that it really matters much...

I can't see why people whine so much about DRM, only bad thing about it is how it wont fill its purpose anyway

Modifié par Leonick91, 23 février 2011 - 12:18 .

[Tricky_Rich]

Leonick91 wrote...

I for one think the DRM is an improvement over DAO and ME2.
Ill gladly have a few limits like only play on 5 different computers during a 24h computer, something which will never limit me, or having to activate it online... Gladly if that means I don't have to bother with the games disc once it's installed...
As long as they don't do like with ME1, which they wont, and only allow 5 installs after which I have to contact EA to get another I am fine.

Still wanna know how many days it can be played offline between the logins, not that it really matters much...

I can't see why people whine so much about DRM, only bad thing about it is how it wont fill its purpose anyway

There are numerous bad things about DRM. Speaking from personal experience about SecuROM, it totally wrecked my last PC. My DVD drives' firmware was wrecked...I could go on, but the gist is, certain DRM systems can and do destroy components, if not entire systems outright!

You may not believe that a piece of software could have quite such a catastrophic effect on a PC, but SecuROM (and others like Starforce, Tages etc.) are nasty little rootkits that nestle at the base of your OS and basically take over the functioning of YOUR computer. Their level of access to YOUR PC is higher than you have as the administrator, for God's sake...but hey, if your cool with the potential problems you could be letting yourself in for...go for it...I know I won't be letting any of that harmful crap on my new system, after all the problems I had on my old system! 

Modifié par Tricky_Rich, 23 février 2011 - 04:07 .

[Ryzaki]

:/



*sighs*



What the hell. Now I'm gonna have to wait a week to buy the game to make sure the DRM is actually what the devs said it was.

[Leonick91]

Tricky_Rich wrote...
There are numerous bad things about DRM. Speaking from personal experience about SecuROM, it totally wrecked my last PC. My DVD drives' firmware was wrecked...I could go on, but the gist is, certain DRM systems can and do destroy components, if not entire systems outright!

You may not believe that a piece of software could have quite such a catastrophic effect on a PC, but SecuROM (and others like Starforce, Tages etc.) are nasty little rootkits that nestle at the base of your OS and basically take over the functioning of YOUR computer. Their level of access to YOUR PC is higher than you have as the administrator, for God's sake...but hey, if your cool with the potential problems you could be letting yourself in for...go for it...I know I won't be letting any of that harmful crap on my new system, after all the problems I had on my old system! 

Ok, let me say like this... Why people whine so much about this type of DRM
SecuROM, starforce and so on are a completly different story

I think you got my point though, ill gladly only play on 5 computers on one day if what i get in return is not having to have the disc in the drive.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

this makes me angry. It seems like EA has forced SecuRom on a popular franchise again, but I will hear Bioware out, to see if my suspicions are correct.

[TwelveV]

Tabak wrote...

etherhonky wrote...

odd that in the PC gamer review, under the games stat listings where it shows the games name, developer, release date etc, at the bottom of that list, it said DRM- securom... ???

so, either 1 it was a typo or 2 someone knows something that no one else does... it could be EA knows and no one else, or it could be EA+Bio///...

The EULA says the game uses Cider. Cider includes SecuROM. While Cider is a Mac wrapper that allows developers to produce one disk for both PC & Mac, the SecuROM usually affects both versions. (Links to the full EULA are in this thread). 

EA used the same thing for Dead Space 2 and both PC & Mac got hit with SecuROM (without this being disclosed by EA). 

Bioware has stated there is no SecuROM. PC Gamer says there is. Someone isn't being straight with us. 

This is the question that I need the answer to. I refuse to buy any SecuROM game.  I don't trust Sony at all, and SecuROM has wrecked an optical drive of mine in the past.

Guess I'll have my mouse hovering over the "cancel my preorder" button until I hear the answer to this.

[Tricky_Rich]

Leonick91 wrote...

Tricky_Rich wrote...
There are numerous bad things about DRM. Speaking from personal experience about SecuROM, it totally wrecked my last PC. My DVD drives' firmware was wrecked...I could go on, but the gist is, certain DRM systems can and do destroy components, if not entire systems outright!

You may not believe that a piece of software could have quite such a catastrophic effect on a PC, but SecuROM (and others like Starforce, Tages etc.) are nasty little rootkits that nestle at the base of your OS and basically take over the functioning of YOUR computer. Their level of access to YOUR PC is higher than you have as the administrator, for God's sake...but hey, if your cool with the potential problems you could be letting yourself in for...go for it...I know I won't be letting any of that harmful crap on my new system, after all the problems I had on my old system! 

Ok, let me say like this... Why people whine so much about this type of DRM
SecuROM, starforce and so on are a completly different story

I think you got my point though, ill gladly only play on 5 computers on one day if what i get in return is not having to have the disc in the drive.

Errr...as has been stated many times, even on the post above this one, Dragon Age 2 utilizes "Cider" as part of it's DRM scheme and SecuROM is an integral part of "Cider." So that means that SecuROM is not "a completely different story," it is an integral part of "Cider" and therefore an integral part of Dragon Age 2.

I could not care less if SecuROM would not destroy my current PC, I REFUSE to give any money over to any publisher/developer who uses SecuROM, because it destroyed my last PC!

I hate that piece of malware crap with a passion!

Modifié par Tricky_Rich, 23 février 2011 - 06:42 .

[JamesX]

I might be new to this DRM thing...



How can it be secureROM if it doesn't check DVDs?

[Tricky_Rich]

JamesX wrote...

I might be new to this DRM thing...

How can it be secureROM if it doesn't check DVDs?

I can't be arsed any more...please read a few posts...for God's sake!

I was even quoted talking about DRM dangers in the post DIRECTLY ABOVE the one you just wrote...you're just taking the ******...in future, at least read the posts on the current page before asking stupid questions.

Sorry...ahem...calmed down now. SecuROM is far more than a disk checker, it is in actual fact little more than a rootkit. (Before you ask, just google the term!) That's all that needs to be said.

Modifié par Tricky_Rich, 23 février 2011 - 07:03 .

[AlanC9]

Tabak wrote...

One reason I can't play if regular revalidation checks are used is the cost of Internet access. I just downloaded the demo. It took 4 hours to download and cost me $20. EA might want to build in online features for every game released in 2011 but this move seriously disadvantages anyone who doesnt have cheap, reliable internet access. I appreciate this "free" demo though.

Yikes. How does your Internet pricing work?

[Eurypterid]

JamesX wrote...

I might be new to this DRM thing...

How can it be secureROM if it doesn't check DVDs?

That's only one of the functions of SecuROM. There are many other things it can do (such as check release dates, phone home, etc, etc.) These functions are selectable by the publisher as to what they want it to do, so they can choose to not have it do a disc check if they wish.

Modifié par Eurypterid, 23 février 2011 - 07:01 .