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[Capeo]

So I've only played ME2 (I only have a PS3) and I really enjoyed the game but there is no denying that the vast majority of the game is spent collecting your squad rather than the main story.  Was ME1 of a similar structure?  The only original squad members to come from ME1 are Garrus and Tali correct? 

I ask all this because I'm hoping we don't spend the majority of ME3 assemblying yet another squad at the expense of forwarding the story.  I think the fear is pretty warranted because despite it being a trilogy BW has to make each game stand alone which in turn means you have to able to assemble a squad in each game.  They're not going invest in making missions to get squad members that can be entirely skipped by porting in your squad from ME2 though I'd love to able to do that. 

Has there been any mention from BW as to how this is going to be handled (I know it's still early but I haven't been following development)?  How would you like it to be handled if you had a choice?

[CannotCompute]

No, ME1 was more focused on the main story. The game also had no loyalty missions btw.



As of yet, we don't know how things are going to be handled in part 3.

[Emyer]

ME1- Introduction

ME2- Character/Squad Building

ME3- Conclusion



If they follow the trilogy rules/format I don't expect we will be doing that much character recruiting/building, no doubt they'll introduce some new characters, but unlike in ME2 I doubt they'll be the focus.

[Capeo]

Emyer wrote...

ME1- Introduction
ME2- Character/Squad Building
ME3- Conclusion

If they follow the trilogy rules/format I don't expect we will be doing that much character recruiting/building, no doubt they'll introduce some new characters, but unlike in ME2 I doubt they'll be the focus.

I certainly hope that's the case.

[lawp79]

If I had every squad mate I wanted from both 1 and 2 plus a couple of newbies I would need a substantially bigger ship.

[Daryst]

ME1 was not concentrated on the squadmates as much as in ME2. You had the option to talk and learn more about them or start a romance after you had done a story progressive mission, but thats about it. The elevator bantor was nice. eventough the rides to ages, just check it on youtube . ME1 concentrated more on the introduction into the univserse it self, but with ME2 you were more introduced in some of its fines details and history via squadmates.



I am convinced that ME3 will not contain much of the squadbased missions in ME2. I am more convinced that you get temp squadmates like with LotSB. Why go over the painstaking task of recruiting a team and gaining there loyalty if you have to do it again in ME3?



If ME1 and ME2 have a baby, I want that baby to be ME3

[Capeo]

I honestly don't see the need to add anymore squad members at this point. Maybe bring back some from ME1 but, honestly, we have enough. There are so many things that need to be answered in ME3 I just want to get to the meat of the story and the current squad members stories.

[xentar]

CannotCompute wrote...
No, ME1 was more focused on the main story. The game also had no loyalty missions btw.
As of yet, we don't know how things are going to be handled in part 3.

Well, there actually were character quests, so to speak. However, most of them were just diversions.

[lazuli]

I don't anticipate every squadmate being available right off the bat in ME3. Wouldn't that be overwhelming to new players? I do not think the focus will be on building a squad and gaining the loyalty of your crew, though.

[JP6400]

Sorry to disapoint you all. But we will have an entire new squadmate team. Beacause all our squadmates from ME 2 can die so they are only going to make them appear briefly like ashley or kaidan in ME 2. The only old squadmate that could be back is Liara. She is the only one that could be brought back. So we must accept that we must expect new squadmates in ME 3.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

lazuli wrote...

I don't anticipate every squadmate being available right off the bat in ME3.

Yes. They should somehow be reintroduced throughout ME3 in such a way that the new players get a quick rundown of their character and/or backstory and us fans get pure nostalgia. The series needs to come full circle.

[Capeo]

lazuli wrote...

I don't anticipate every squadmate being available right off the bat in ME3. Wouldn't that be overwhelming to new players? I do not think the focus will be on building a squad and gaining the loyalty of your crew, though.

Well, hopefully, since the relationships are already established it will be more of a just having to go pick them up type of thing.  Maybe just short assignment length missions.  Or, if they are longer missions hopefully they are tied into the main storyline so you're progressing the story while picking them up.  There's lots of room for that given how now the geth/quarnarian relationship, the genophage, Cerebus and such are up in the air.   

[Capeo]

JP6400 wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you all. But we will have an entire new squadmate team. Beacause all our squadmates from ME 2 can die so they are only going to make them appear briefly like ashley or kaidan in ME 2. The only old squadmate that could be back is Liara. She is the only one that could be brought back. So we must accept that we must expect new squadmates in ME 3.

That's true.  I didn't even think about that way because in my first play through I kept everyone alive. 

That's what I'm afraid of.

[Daryst]

JP6400 wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you all. But we will have an entire new squadmate team. Beacause all our squadmates from ME 2 can die so they are only going to make them appear briefly like ashley or kaidan in ME 2. The only old squadmate that could be back is Liara. She is the only one that could be brought back. So we must accept that we must expect new squadmates in ME 3.

that wont happen. You will have to make due with the mates you got left after the final mission. If you lost half your squad, well tough luck then

But I dont think that they will bring in another 10 new squadmates.

[xXSnak3Eat3rXx]

Capeo wrote...

lazuli wrote...

I don't anticipate every squadmate being available right off the bat in ME3. Wouldn't that be overwhelming to new players? I do not think the focus will be on building a squad and gaining the loyalty of your crew, though.

Well, hopefully, since the relationships are already established it will be more of a just having to go pick them up type of thing.  Maybe just short assignment length missions.  Or, if they are longer missions hopefully they are tied into the main storyline so you're progressing the story while picking them up.  There's lots of room for that given how now the geth/quarnarian relationship, the genophage, Cerebus and such are up in the air.   

I was just thinking have Shepard pick them up while rallying the races since that's what you'll be doing in ME3. For instance, pick up Tali when going to the Flotilla to convince the Quarians to aid him/her in the fight against the Reapers. Same thing with Wrex on Tuchanka and etc. (but I'd rather not recruit Wrex seeing as how I'd like him to lead the Krogan shocktroopers against the Reapers)

[Emyer]

JP6400 wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you all. But we will have an entire new squadmate team. Beacause all our squadmates from ME 2 can die so they are only going to make them appear briefly like ashley or kaidan in ME 2. The only old squadmate that could be back is Liara. She is the only one that could be brought back. So we must accept that we must expect new squadmates in ME 3.

Then you'd be screwed, much like in the SM you're screwed if you let everyone die, I doubt they'll introduce an entire new squad of characters for the conclusion, maybe 2 or 3, they don't have to prepare for another sequel, this is the end of the line, if you let your crewmates die then tough luck.



Or I could be wrong

[Rune-Chan]

JP6400 wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you all. But we will have an entire new squadmate team. Beacause all our squadmates from ME 2 can die so they are only going to make them appear briefly like ashley or kaidan in ME 2. The only old squadmate that could be back is Liara. She is the only one that could be brought back. So we must accept that we must expect new squadmates in ME 3.

I sincerely doubt it. Mass Effect 3 would be considered the biggest failure in the history of  trilogys if this was the case. Bioware know full well how passionate their fans are about the characters in the game, and they wouldn't screw around with that to make them all have cameo apparences.

Garrus and Tali were the two most popular characters of Mass Effect 1 and I assure you that the fact they are the only two who are fully fledged members of the team wasn't a coincidence.

[matt-bassist]

OP: You had 6 squadmembers in ME1: Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Ashley, Kaiden and Liara. Only Garrus and Tali return as full squad members, and Liara is a squadmember in the DLC Lair of the Shadow Broker. Wrex is the leader of the Urdnot Clan of Krogans in ME2 (if he survived ME1 - he is one of 3 characters who can die), and you meet the so-called "Virmire Survivor" on Horizon (Either Ashley or Kaiden).

Each one was recruited almost by accident, in other words you weren't handed a dossier and said "go and recruit this person" like in ME2. You just kind of bumped into them, and they joined up with you for a common goal.

Each character had 'loyalty' missions, so to speak. Garrus had Dr. Saleon, Wrex has his family armor etc. but it was nothing like ME2's "DING DING LOYALTY ACHIEVED" direction.

Hope that helps. You should play the interactive comic "Genesis" which is free to download for PS3 players.

[Barquiel]

Machines Are Us wrote...

I sincerely doubt it. Mass Effect 3 would be considered the biggest failure in the history of  trilogys if this was the case. Bioware know full well how passionate their fans are about the characters in the game, and they wouldn't screw around with that to make them all have cameo apparences.

Garrus and Tali were the two most popular characters of Mass Effect 1 and I assure you that the fact they are the only two who are fully fledged members of the team wasn't a coincidence.

You're right, it wasn't a coincidence...but popularity had nothing to do with it.
If you look at ME1 polls or dev comments/interviews: Wrex

...and why didn't Wrex return as a squadmate?
http://www.joystiq.c...-mass-effect-2/

Q: The big question we had is, "How do you write a story where all the characters from the first game, or a lot of them, could be dead when you start out the second game?"

A: You mean other than pulling out my hair and weeping at night, sort of, "Oh my god, how am I going to do this?" It takes a lot of planning, obviously, but essentially what we did is we looked at it and said, "Yeah we know that some of these guys are going to be dead. How do we account for that?" And the big thing was -- let's take Wrex for example -- we had to limit to some degree the roles that those characters are going to play because we have to say, "OK well they're coming back or they're not."

Modifié par Barquiel, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:22 .

[Wittand25]

Machines Are Us wrote...

JP6400 wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you all. But we will have an entire new squadmate team. Beacause all our squadmates from ME 2 can die so they are only going to make them appear briefly like ashley or kaidan in ME 2. The only old squadmate that could be back is Liara. She is the only one that could be brought back. So we must accept that we must expect new squadmates in ME 3.

I sincerely doubt it. Mass Effect 3 would be considered the biggest failure in the history of  trilogys if this was the case. Bioware know full well how passionate their fans are about the characters in the game, and they wouldn't screw around with that to make them all have cameo apparences.

Garrus and Tali were the two most popular characters of Mass Effect 1 and I assure you that the fact they are the only two who are fully fledged members of the team wasn't a coincidence.

Garrus and Tali are not back because they are the most popular, they are back because they (and Liara) are the only ones that can´t be killed in ME1 and Liara is supposed to be to important to die in ME2 and won´t join you for that reason.

There have been several long discussions on the reasons why the ME3 team will be all or nearly all new but this the non spoiler section so it is hard to discuss it here.

And the reaction to the announcement of a new ME3 squad will be the same as it was to the announcement that DA2 does not feature the warden. The usual stages of fan-boy grief (disbelieve, rage,  announcement of leaving doom-saying)  will happen and end in acceptance and anticipation as soon as the first moderately good locking screenshot of a new companion is published.

[Lvl20DM]

I doubt that any ME2 squadmates will return as such in ME3. Though, as others have suggested, some could return as temporary squadmates. I can't help but assume that all or most will return at some point in the game.

That said, I doubt that ME3 will be structured like ME2. In ME1, your crew joined more organically, as part of the story. You also had almost every squad-mate by the end of Act 1. I would think that is how ME3 will work.

[ScotOfClanDonald]

Game design over multiple games is very tricky, and, unless Bioware violates everything we know about them for this game (which is not entirely impossible), then we'll have a squad of characters in ME3 that were not previously on your team (with the exception of a few who could be on the squad regardless because of Plot Armor or interchangability). That doesn't mean that they couldn't be familiar faces (I'd say that Anderson has a great chance of being a squadmate, for example), but they mostly won't be our ME2 team.

And, you know what? It will still be great, because this is Bioware and they know their stuff. Have some faith.

Getting back to the original question, though, my thought is that the game will be more like a combination of ME1 and ME2, where it will be more epic in scope like the first game, but focus on gathering forces like ME2.  The upshot of this will be that Shepard will be gathering planets and fleets instead of companions.  If the former squadmates of the corresponding races are still alive, they'll be useful either in the recruitment missions or as strategic leaders in the final battle.  That's my guess, at least.

Modifié par ScotOfClanDonald, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:19 .

[Sbri]

JP6400 wrote...

Sorry to disapoint you all. But we will have an entire new squadmate team. Beacause all our squadmates from ME 2 can die so they are only going to make them appear briefly like ashley or kaidan in ME 2. The only old squadmate that could be back is Liara. She is the only one that could be brought back. So we must accept that we must expect new squadmates in ME 3.

  I see this as the most likely senario, with the possible exception of Kaidan/Ash being able to join. We know s/he is alive and possibly available. With everyone in ME2 able to be killed, it might be hard to include them in any role bigger then say Captain Anderson, TIM or EDI. They're there, and can have an effect on the story, but can not be squad mates.

[Georilla]

ScotOfClanDonald wrote...

Game design over multiple games is very tricky, and, unless Bioware violates everything we know about them for this game (which is not entirely impossible), then we'll have a squad of characters in ME3 that were not previously on your team (with the exception of a few who could be on the squad regardless because of Plot Armor or interchangability). That doesn't mean that they couldn't be familiar faces (I'd say that Anderson has a great chance of being a squadmate, for example), but they mostly won't be our ME2 team.

And, you know what? It will still be great, because this is Bioware and they know their stuff. Have some faith.

Getting back to the original question, though, my thought is that the game will be more like a combination of ME1 and ME2, where it will be more epic in scope like the first game, but focus on gathering forces like ME2.  The upshot of this will be that Shepard will be gathering planets and fleets instead of companions.  If the former squadmates of the corresponding races are still alive, they'll be useful either in the recruitment missions or as strategic leaders in the final battle.  That's my guess, at least.

+1

That's basically what I think too. I'd imagine Tali leading a quarian army, Garrus a turian army etc. Although some might not lead at all, Grunt is a terrible leader and so is Zaeed. Although, I doubt we'll see much of Zaeed, he's a merc for hire and he did his contract in ME2.

But I have to admit, even though Zaeed is such an arse, I got a soft spot for him. He's not all that different from Garrus.

Modifié par Georilla, 26 janvier 2011 - 06:51 .