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[Lotion Soronarr]

Hrm...difficult choice.



Don't know...depends on the situation and any additional information we get in DA2, and the situation in Kirkwall.



Right now I'm gravitating a bit towards the templar side, but we will see.

[sonsonthebia07]

Burayan_Koga wrote...

The Mages, I gonna unite them and boot the Chantry out of Kirkwall.

sonsonthebia07 approves +50


Although I'll certainly be experimenting with different characters, so not all the time.

[Erani]

Mages. If there's a way to unite mages and templars and kick the Chantry out of Kirkwall, I'll do it though.

[Potato Cat]

Mages all the way. Hoping there is a Fort Drakon style quest for the mages though. That was my favourite quest in Origins.

[Nic-V]

Mages will prevail!

[The Elder King]

I don't have a preference for mages or templars. If there's that possibility in DA2 I'll make a mage who sides with the mages and a mage who sides with the templars, and the same for a warrior and a rogue. But a mage who join the Chantry is a thing I absolutely want to see.

[KLUME777]

I would try to keep things the way they were in DAO. That system is good, the mages shouldnt be completely free. And the Templars shouldn't kill them all either. I wouldn't be nuetral because thats sitting down waiting, id'e try to calm things down into the way they were.

[-Skorpious-]

I'll need to see things myself before I make a decision. Some have guessed that the cloaked figures in the rise to power vid are somehow related to Flemeth and, if that is indeed true, I will be hard pressed to unite with the "apostates".

[LobselVith8]

I'd choose to emancipate the mages from subjugation.

[KLUME777]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd choose to emancipate the mages from subjugation.

And let demons possess free mages to ravage the innocent countryside?


Real smart move.........real smart.....

[efrgfhnm_]

Mages definitely, they seem much more powerful, and I prefer to play as a mage

[blothulfur]

I shall side with the Qunari suprisingly.

Thought for the day: With an empty stomach and the Qun in his heart a man is content, though he feasts and his table groans the unbeliever shall always hunger.

[LobselVith8]

KLUME777 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd choose to emancipate the mages from subjugation.

And let demons possess free mages to ravage the innocent countryside?

Real smart move.........real smart.....

That must explain all those demons at Haven, Rivain, and the Dalish camps... oh wait...

[Erani]

KLUME777 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd choose to emancipate the mages from subjugation.

And let demons possess free mages to ravage the innocent countryside?


Real smart move.........real smart.....

I think he meant end of subjugation from the Chantry/Templars such as the Circle boon at the end of Origins, not mages running around à la  "livin' la vida loca" kind of thing.
 

Modifié par Erani, 27 janvier 2011 - 04:50 .

[LobselVith8]

KLUME777 wrote...

I would try to keep things the way they were in DAO. That system is good, the mages shouldnt be completely free. And the Templars shouldn't kill them all either. I wouldn't be nuetral because thats sitting down waiting, id'e try to calm things down into the way they were.

Considering that the History of the Circle codex points out that mages were segregated because of a completely non-violent protest in an Orlesian cathedral (that Divine Ambrosia II wanted to declare an Exalted March on, no less) there's no evidence that mages need to be isolated from society. If pre-Circle society had mages living with non-mages, and Haven, Rivain, and the Dalish camps have mages living alongside non-mages, I honestly don't see the issue. Why keep a bad system in place that conditions mages to resort to drastic measures to stay alive from templars or when they try to free themselves from what can be argued to be slavery?

[M-Taylor]

KLUME777 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd choose to emancipate the mages from subjugation.

And let demons possess free mages to ravage the innocent countryside?


Real smart move.........real smart.....

The Dalish would like to have a word with you. Oh, and the Tevinter Imperium, who seem to have no problem with demon possession.

[-Skorpious-]

LobselVith8 wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

I would try to keep things the way they were in DAO. That system is good, the mages shouldnt be completely free. And the Templars shouldn't kill them all either. I wouldn't be nuetral because thats sitting down waiting, id'e try to calm things down into the way they were.

Considering that the History of the Circle codex points out that mages were segregated because of a completely non-violent protest in an Orlesian cathedral (that Divine Ambrosia II wanted to declare an Exalted March on, no less) there's no evidence that mages need to be isolated from society. If pre-Circle society had mages living with non-mages, and Haven, Rivain, and the Dalish camps have mages living alongside non-mages, I honestly don't see the issue. Why keep a bad system in place that conditions mages to resort to drastic measures to stay alive from templars or when they try to free themselves from what can be argued to be slavery?

Not siding with one particular party here, but Tevinter Imperium mages, with their inflated egos and belief in their own superiority, used magic to impose harsh living conditions on their subjects, decimated the original Elves, and are rumored to have corrupted the Golden City. 

[Josef bugman3]

Yes but the Tevinter Imperium, to put it nicely, aren't that good morally c.f. The slaves they were taking from the Alienage and were willing to sacrifice to give you another point of constitution.



Personally I will wait to see which side will appeal the more, and then see which ones my companions support.

[LobselVith8]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Not siding with one particular party here, but Tevinter Imperium mages, with their inflated egos and belief in their own superiority, used magic to impose harsh living conditions on their subjects, decimated the original Elves, and are rumored to have corrupted the Golden City. 

And yet the nation of the Dales and the civilization of Arlathan, even with its powerful mages, did none of those things, so I fail to see the issue.

[The Elder King]

M-Taylor wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'd choose to emancipate the mages from subjugation.

And let demons possess free mages to ravage the innocent countryside?


Real smart move.........real smart.....

The Dalish would like to have a word with you. Oh, and the Tevinter Imperium, who seem to have no problem with demon possession.

We have no knowledge about the Tevinter and the eventual demonic possession. I believe that some mages become abomination in the Tevinter of the past.
And if you're talking about the actual Tevinter, they have a Circle, and they have even templars.

Edit: I believe that the actual Circle system have a lot of flaws, and needs to be changed in a better way. The idea of the Circle as a place where mages could learn how to use magic and how to resist the temptations of the Fade isn't bad, but the mages don't have to be isolated in place with no possibility to visit the world, except in few cases.

Modifié par hhh89, 27 janvier 2011 - 05:19 .

[KLUME777]

LobselVith8 wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

I would try to keep things the way they were in DAO. That system is good, the mages shouldnt be completely free. And the Templars shouldn't kill them all either. I wouldn't be nuetral because thats sitting down waiting, id'e try to calm things down into the way they were.

Considering that the History of the Circle codex points out that mages were segregated because of a completely non-violent protest in an Orlesian cathedral (that Divine Ambrosia II wanted to declare an Exalted March on, no less) there's no evidence that mages need to be isolated from society. If pre-Circle society had mages living with non-mages, and Haven, Rivain, and the Dalish camps have mages living alongside non-mages, I honestly don't see the issue. Why keep a bad system in place that conditions mages to resort to drastic measures to stay alive from templars or when they try to free themselves from what can be argued to be slavery?

Lets think this logically (And im only counting humans, for reasons i will explain later).
As much as mages might hate the tower, its better for them as well.

In the tower, the mages are in a learning environment where they are surounded by other mages to teach them how to use their abilities. They will have maximum oppurtunity to use there full potential in the tower. Plus, there with fellow mages who they can relate to, and if anything happens, like a demon outbreak, It wont rip a country in half via fullscale war.

Outside the tower, in villages/cities/farms/wherever, they're NOT around fellow mages to teach them how to use they're power and to guide them (especially for kids who just discover they're power). They will be ostracised by there community because they're perceived as outsiders, which will outcome in mental instability, theyre open to demon intrusion, and lastly, some evil villian can easily kidnap a few child mages, lock them up and use them for his own evil purposes. Or kidnap them and train them as a dark jedi type apprentice (not apostate, dark mage). And they have no friend mages to relate to. Not good.

Elves don't count, because they're not supersticous fools, and they recognise mages for what they are, and treat them well. Become Tribe Elders most of the time. And they're educated against demon intrusion.



Massive wall of text, i know.


EDIT: Also, only the young mages did'nt like the tower. First Enchanter Irving knew that the tower was a neccassary act, and he agreed with it.

Modifié par KLUME777, 27 janvier 2011 - 05:22 .

[KLUME777]

-Skorpious- wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

I would try to keep things the way they were in DAO. That system is good, the mages shouldnt be completely free. And the Templars shouldn't kill them all either. I wouldn't be nuetral because thats sitting down waiting, id'e try to calm things down into the way they were.

Considering that the History of the Circle codex points out that mages were segregated because of a completely non-violent protest in an Orlesian cathedral (that Divine Ambrosia II wanted to declare an Exalted March on, no less) there's no evidence that mages need to be isolated from society. If pre-Circle society had mages living with non-mages, and Haven, Rivain, and the Dalish camps have mages living alongside non-mages, I honestly don't see the issue. Why keep a bad system in place that conditions mages to resort to drastic measures to stay alive from templars or when they try to free themselves from what can be argued to be slavery?

Not siding with one particular party here, but Tevinter Imperium mages, with their inflated egos and belief in their own superiority, used magic to impose harsh living conditions on their subjects, decimated the original Elves, and are rumored to have corrupted the Golden City. 

Dont forget the blight.

[Josef bugman3]

An urgent review of how mages are treated would be very very good. The only problem is what happens when mages start deciding that they have all this power, why shouldn't they use it? The problem of Tevinter is not just that it ruined a fictional city, but because it created a ruling class so powerful it never had to worry about rebellion.

[-Skorpious-]

LobselVith8 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Not siding with one particular party here, but Tevinter Imperium mages, with their inflated egos and belief in their own superiority, used magic to impose harsh living conditions on their subjects, decimated the original Elves, and are rumored to have corrupted the Golden City. 

And yet the nation of the Dales and the civilization of Arlathan, even with its powerful mages, did none of those things, so I fail to see the issue.

The Elves are obviously not the vengeful, paranoid, self-centered race we know as mankind. Men are selfish, and there are plenty examples in the Dragon Age universe of men who willingly accept a demon into them only to lose their body to demons. 

Josef bugman3 wrote...

An urgent review of how mages are treated would be very very good. The only problem is what happens when mages start deciding that they have all this power, why shouldn't they use it? The problem of Tevinter is not just that it ruined a fictional city, but because it created a ruling class so powerful it never had to worry about rebellion.

Exactly. Mages may not deserve a life of solitude, but (judging by lore standards and not actual gameplay) one abomination is enough to destroy an entire group of seasoned veterans. Imagine if only a single abomination got inside a village like Lothering.