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[Guitar-Hero]

Its a really interesting question because it's so morally ambiguous, are the templars really the tyrants so many people think they are? can the mages be trusted with their powers?

I guess my cheif concern in the game will be survival for me and my family, i am the head of the family so i will be making all the decisions, and the best thing i would think is to keep a low profile, and not sturre up trouble, so i'll be neutral unless the game forces me to make a choice.. that said if the templars come for Bethany i will stab them in the heart with a teaspoon..

[jaikss]

Gonna most likely make a mage whod sympathize with the Libertarians on my 1st playthrough so chances are Ill be siding with the mages .

LobselVith8 wrote...

And a possessed
cat can kill three seasoned templars (Awakening) and almost anything can
be possessed (even dead trees). There's no proof that the Circle is
necessary.

Id say the events of dao are proof enough that it is indeed necessary in one form or another.Needless to say what wouldve been the consequences of someone like Uldred being able to leave the tower.

Also  as a side note,I find it curious youre stating anders' story as a fact.

[jackmulcahy]

I'm gonna side with mages simply because the templars kinda control Kirkwall.

I'd even side with Blood mages!

[andar91]

Seagloom wrote...

It is not as simple as that. I would pick a side based on the moral sensibilities of my character and the goals of each faction. Choosing without context is impossible. My mage could easily end up siding with templars if she felt they had the moral high ground. Unless I am playing a self serving type. In that case whichever side offers the most wins.

This.  It's an impossible choice to make until we knowk the context surrounding the situation.

[Sanctuary74]

Tough decision. I want the mages to have freedom, but I understand why they need to be watched. I think they should have freedom to go where they want and mostly do what they want, but still have their blood kept in phylacteries in case they go too crazy. I think the templars being nicer would change things.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

I hope the plot would be a little trickier than that. Hate to see Gothic rip-off, with mopping floor epicness. Would be nice to see some freedom and an option to manoeuvre around the conflict, using both sides to achieve some global personal goal.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 27 janvier 2011 - 11:22 .

[_Aine_]

I'd definitely need a lot more info in order to properly decide. Even saying that, I bet the writers make it trickier than we may think at first glance.

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...
. Would be nice to see some freedom and an option to manoeuvre around the conflict, using both sides to achieve some global personal goal.

I would like this.  

Modifié par shantisands, 27 janvier 2011 - 11:39 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Mages, unless the only faction of mages you can support are sociopathic schitzopherenic borderline abominations. I can't see any reason why I'd side with the templars.

[th8827]

I'd pretend to side with the Mages, but really side with the demons. I'll show my true colors when the Templars and the Chantry are gone.

[Zjarcal]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Mages, unless the only faction of mages you can support are sociopathic schitzopherenic borderline abominations. I can't see any reason why I'd side with the templars.

This for me too.

[mellifera]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Mages, unless the only faction of mages you can support are sociopathic schitzopherenic borderline abominations. I can't see any reason why I'd side with the templars.

Same.

[tmp7704]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Mages, unless the only faction of mages you can support are sociopathic schitzopherenic borderline abominations.

I don't think they're the only faction but they are part of mages on the whole nonetheless.

[LobselVith8]

jaikss wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

And a possessed
cat can kill three seasoned templars (Awakening) and almost anything can
be possessed (even dead trees). There's no proof that the Circle is
necessary.

Id say the events of dao are proof enough that it is indeed necessary in one form or another.Needless to say what wouldve been the consequences of someone like Uldred being able to leave the tower.

I disagree - the incident never would have happened if mages weren't fighting their oppressors. There's absolutely no proof that the Chantry controlled Circles are necessary when we see that alternate societies - Dalish elves, Haven, and Rivain - function just as well without Chantry and templar oversight.

jaikss wrote...

Also  as a side note,I find it curious youre stating anders' story as a fact.

Nothing about Ander's story indicated that it was fictional - he seemed pretty amused, true, but there's no indication that he was lying.

[LobselVith8]

Morroian wrote...
Interesting quote in the new Bioware blog: "Some are saying, however, that this needs to change. They remind the world that mages are not controlled by templars everywhere in Thedas: not among the Rivaini witches, the Dalish keepers or the Tevinter magisters… and those societies are, arguably, no worse off."
Which seems to bear out what some of us are saying about those other societies.

[Nonoru]

First playthrough (as a rogue)will side with Templars unless they want to annoy the sister.

Second(as a mage)will side with mages.

Third(as a warrior),will see what is the evil choice.

[Harid]

Melee > side with Templars.

Mage > Side with Mages.



Honestly it comes down to how douchey the associated leader of each faction is, though.

[tmp7704]

LobselVith8 wrote...

jaikss wrote...

Id say the events of dao are proof enough that it is indeed necessary in one form or another.Needless to say what wouldve been the consequences of someone like Uldred being able to leave the tower.

I disagree - the incident never would have happened if mages weren't fighting their oppressors.

The incident happened because Uldred couldn't get things his way. Short of always getting things his way, what would prevent Uldred from repeating it, even if he wasn't locked up in the tower?

Modifié par tmp7704, 28 janvier 2011 - 01:03 .

[Uzzy]

Given how an untrained mage is just a walking 'Possess Here' sign for the Fade Demons, I'd be supporting the Templars.

[IanPolaris]

Uzzy wrote...

Given how an untrained mage is just a walking 'Possess Here' sign for the Fade Demons, I'd be supporting the Templars.

Why is it that the first impulse of the pro-chantry people is to claim that it's a choice between the Templar/Chantry/Circle system or having untrained mages running amuck with no social support, no regulation, and no training whatsoever?  There are many other societies that work just fine without the circle and do control magic in a sane and humane manner.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

tmp7704 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

jaikss wrote...

Id say the events of dao are proof enough that it is indeed necessary in one form or another.Needless to say what wouldve been the consequences of someone like Uldred being able to leave the tower.

I disagree - the incident never would have happened if mages weren't fighting their oppressors.

The incident happened because Uldred couldn't get things his way. Short of always getting things his way, what would prevent Uldred from repeating it, even if he wasn't locked up in the tower?

He wouldn't have the motiviation to engage in a highly risky summoning that put his own soul at risk.  (Even Avernus readily admits that summoning so many demons at once is fraught with risk...and he's much better at it than Uldred).

-Polaris

[Malanek]

Unless the situation is markedly different from everything we learned in origins, I would have great difficulty siding with the templars. I kind of expected the issues to be a bit more ambiguous, but the templars in origins were not only immoral but also incompetent.

[EmperorSahlertz]

IanPolaris wrote...

Uzzy wrote...

Given how an untrained mage is just a walking 'Possess Here' sign for the Fade Demons, I'd be supporting the Templars.

Why is it that the first impulse of the pro-chantry people is to claim that it's a choice between the Templar/Chantry/Circle system or having untrained mages running amuck with no social support, no regulation, and no training whatsoever?  There are many other societies that work just fine without the circle and do control magic in a sane and humane manner.

-Polaris

Is there now? And what proof do you have thereof? None. You don't know what kind of trials a Dalish Keeper or Rivaini witch has to go through to become what they are. So there you fall flat. Nor is the Tevinters any better in treating their non-leader mages than the Chantry. So again, flat on your face.
Matter of fact is, that all we got is the knowledge that at least the amges in those societies (not Tevinter) gets to live amongst the commoners. You do not know wether or not their upbringing and taining is anymore humane than the Circle.
Why do I bother? You won't ever admit to this...

[HighMoon]

Mages.

[tmp7704]

IanPolaris wrote...

He wouldn't have the motiviation to engage in a highly risky summoning that put his own soul at risk.

What makes you believe this, other than your own personal opinion that summoning demons is highly risky activity which puts one's soul at risk? I can't recall if we ever get to hear Uldred's view on this, nor on where exactly he'd draw a line between "fine, have it your way" and "demon summon time".

[Malanek]

tmp7704 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

He wouldn't have the motiviation to engage in a highly risky summoning that put his own soul at risk.

What makes you believe this, other than your own personal opinion that summoning demons is highly risky activity which puts one's soul at risk? I can't recall if we ever get to hear Uldred's view on this, nor on where exactly he'd draw a line between "fine, have it your way" and "demon summon time".

When you actually speak to the bloodmages in the tower they say they turned to it to gain freedom from the templars. And that is backed up by logic. You see the way they are treated. You see Uldred at Ostagar getting treated like a piece of filth by the chantry woman when he volunteers to help. You can't expect all people who are treated so badly to sit there and take it. Whenever people are oppressed it generates hatred and provides motivation to rebel.