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[AdmiralCheez]

That would show a lack of integrity, balls, and insight, as mentioned before.

[Sajuro]

Miranda and Jacon "the priiiize" taylor.

Until they port ME3 to the Wii <-- you heard it here first.

[flem1]

RAF1940 wrote...

shoggoth1890 wrote...

Tali and Garrus dying would ****** off too many fans and it would be a financially questionable move.

This is the only thing of which we can be certain.

If they're fans, then they played ME2 for themselves.  If they didn't play ME2, they don't know or care.

Tali is *really* easy to kill.  Space Batman probably survives though.

Mezzil wrote...

Most likely none are going to return as squad mates.

We have dismissed this claim.  So has Christina Norman.

Modifié par flem1, 27 janvier 2011 - 04:34 .

[Spectre Collecter]

You have to remember that when begining an entirely new save on ME2 without importing a previous ME1 run, BioWare set default outcomes for the game. Given it was pretty much the ideal 100% Paragon playthrough, but this still gives some insight on what they're willing to do.



The fact they made defaults gets as close to justifying 'canon' as an RPG like Mass Effect can get. It's assumed you take the good-guy route.



I can't say for certain who will stay either. I agree on the front of Miranda and Jacob staying, and I may be a bit biased to demand Garrus and Tali will return as well, but they've been squadies since ME1 so I see no real reason to scratch them off.



Regardless, BioWare pretty much has their default ideas, I'm sure some characters will be back and others will have cameos and may even be replaced by ME1 squadies.

[Cutlass Jack]

Unless they do some cheezeball plot device at the beginning of ME3 (as in another lose ship/crew intro), I'd say the minimum they'd carry over is Tali, Garrus, Miranda and Jacob.



But I'd say any squadmates they did the work to put into the game, they'd give everyone by default. None died by 'Virmire' style decisions. Too many factors go into their possible death.



If they did do the aforementioned cheezeball maneuver and none of your ME2 Squad makes it to ME3, I'd be giving that game a pass. Would just ruin the feeling of success from the previous game and render it pointless.

[Sister Helen]

Who would survive as default crew for Mass Effect 3?



My theory is that Mass Effect 3 will take place about a decade AFTER the events in Mass Effect 2. But frankly, if I were the Reaper in charge of tactics, I'd just wait 200 or so years until everybody discounts the menace, then hit the universe with extreme prejudice. Based on how it only took about two years for most folks (even the extremely long-lived ones) to discount "Reapers" as a threat, it would be a no-brainer to just wait it out.



However, If Mass Effect 3 takes place a decade or so later, your character can pretty much look the same (maybe a different haircut, if female: DEVELOPERS, Please Take Notice Of This Suggestion), and some of the Mass Effect 2 crew can be removed due to dying of natural causes or other plot scenarios.



Main Squad:

In the interim between Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3: Thane dies of his disease... Jack dies of biotic overload...Grunt heads off for mating season...Tali becomes an Admiral... Miranda reconciles with the Illusive Man...Mordin dies of old age...etc.



That would leave: Jacob (he hangs out with you, good soldier that he is), Legion (pretty much immortal, unless his programing changes-he can always be downloaded to a new mobile frame), and Garrus (who is at lose ends, having burned his bridges as a C-Sec officer, washed out of Spectre training, and kind of got burned out from being a vigilante).



I believe ship's crew would pretty much remain the same: Joker, Donnelly, Gaby, and maybe Doctor Chakwas would stay on as support staff.

[vanslyke85]

It's already been confirmed that any theory about no squad members returning is false.

[mineralica]

My two cents:

every loyalty mission attempted to be done, but missions that may be failed are failed (lost track of Kolyat, scared off Morinth, gave the evidence and recommended to prepare to war). Grunt still not opened and may be dead from secondary power cutoff at SM, Legion is sold to Cerberus which get some data about true geth/heretics from his memory core. No DLCs, no upgrades. Possibly Jack's loyalty lost due to siding with Miranda.

So, let's start: Oculus, aka "save two squadmates from death by "no shield upgrade". Without Legion and Kasumi, candidates to death are Tali, Thane and Garrus. Let's assume Shepard was clinging to old team and Tali and Garrus were chosen, Thane is dead.

Heavy armour: minus Jack

Thanix cannon: minus Garrus

Vents: since Jacob is volunteered, he'll go there and die. Miranda, as she volunteered, will be 2nd team leader.

Biotic specialist: choice between Miranda and Samara, pick illoyal Samara, Miranda is still a "squad" leader. No escort since you should pick 2 from 2 as squadmates, so Tali and Mordin in squad, minus Mordin.

Hold the line: choice between loyal Miranda and illoyal Samara and Tali. Leaving Tali to hold the line will cause three deaths: her own, Samara's and Shepard's since only Miranda will be alive. Picking Samara to hold the line will cause Tali's death.

So the final squad will be represented by Samara and Miranda, Samara will possibly leave for solving some justicar issues, and only loyal till the end Miranda will remain.

[Burdokva]

flem1 wrote...

Miranda and Garrus.  Mordin is important, but fragile.  Grunt could have been left in the tank (though if you did, how the hell did you hold the line?).  And Samara will be done after the mission unless you're a Paragon anyway (and default Shep is a renegade schmuck).

I concur, it's the most logical squad set-up. Garrus appears in Mass Effect 2 despite the (slim, yet present) possibility of not recruiting him in the original and seems to be on of the franchise's most prominent and recognisable characters. Miranda, it was more than obvious BioWare wanted her to survive. Plus I'm sure that (to say it was hinted at would be an understatement) the entire side-mission with her sister was a set-up for a possible betrayel in Mass Effect 3 for those that didn't get along with TIM.

Tali... I'm on the the fence. Fan favourite, sure. But for most new players having her already complicated backstory would probably a bit too much, so I assume that in a default, non-import game she'll be dead.

Thane - dead; besides, he should be dead for anyone who doesn't want to ruin the story with a deus ex machina "cure" (sorry, female players, just stating the obvious - no offense).
Mordin - dead, genophage plot too complicated and there's already a high chance he dies during the SM.
Jacob  and Jack - dead.
Samara/Morinth - dead, as not to confuse newcommers, same for Legion and Grunt (given to Cerberus/TIM). Zaeed and Kasumi are DLC so there's a chance they won't be present either. 

[lovgreno]

There is nothing that says that there can't be more than one default start to choose from. For example one more paragonish and one more renegadish.

[james1976]

I have a strong feeling that Tali, Garrus, and Miranda will definately be in ME3.

[james1976]

Mezzil wrote...

Most likely none are going to return as squad mates. If any return as squad mates, those will be the ones that would be alive on default. Bioware is not going to decided it by how the suicide mision actually works.

And yet they should as it is motive for players to have those members survive in the first place beyond the second game.

[huntrrz]

I wouldn't be surprised if the ME3 defaults for new players was based on the statistical "average" generated by the ME2 player stats.



I assume one of the reasons they collected those stats was to tune plot and character development, and they'll want to present the material they worked hardest on to the largest audience.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

@ OP:



You should check out this.

Mmm, looking at that made me think about actually testing it out

Thanks for posting linky to it, saved me the hassle of looking for it, both for this topic and for potential guide for me to follow. Although after recruiting Grunt on my first PS3 playthrough the other day, it reminded me how I might be wrong about him being left in the lifepod. Because when you go to look at hiim, the initial dialogue has a middle right option of releasing him so am now of the opinion default shep would have recruited him.

Meh, frell it, am gonna do the playthrough using the 'middle right/bottom right' viewpoint. Just sticking to the main missions and see how it ends up. I'll play it on casual to save me having to worry about not having any real upgrades. I'll post up once I've completed the run what I found out

[Elite Midget]

If there had to be 2 Defaults it wouldhave to be Miranda and Jacob. They're far more important to the story and Garrus and Tali were to ME2.

[james1976]

You can't say Garrus and Tali aren't important to Shepard or each other though. They've been through hell and back together twice now. They have motivation to stay together.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

@ OP:

You should check out this.

Mmm, looking at that made me think about actually testing it out

You are welcome.

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Meh, frell it, am gonna do the playthrough using the 'middle right/bottom right' viewpoint. Just sticking to the main missions and see how it ends up. I'll play it on casual to save me having to worry about not having any real upgrades. I'll post up once I've completed the run what I found out

With Grunt in the picture, it still boils down to the "suicide mission" decisions. And back when you posted that analysis of yours, I though that maybe Miranda would be chosen for the bubbler, as Shepard would "side with her" (additionally, unlike Samara, she would be loyal, although not that it would matter to poor Garrus). That would leave the place of the 2nd fire team leader vacant, so that's where Grunt bites it, maybe?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 27 janvier 2011 - 09:30 .

[Zulu_DFA]

james1976 wrote...

You can't say Garrus and Tali aren't important to Shepard or each other though. They've been through hell and back together twice now. They have motivation to stay together.

Garrus could have not been recruited in ME1. Tali in "2". "The hell and back" is a matter of opinion. To my Shepard the blood bath on Torfan still remains more "hellish" that the wussie Collectors' base, taken completely by surprise.

Compare:

Shepard's losses on C-Base - 60%
Shepard's losses on Torfan - 75%

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 27 janvier 2011 - 09:37 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Elite Midget wrote...

If there had to be 2 Defaults it wouldhave to be Miranda and Jacob. They're far more important to the story and Garrus and Tali were to ME2.

I like the part where you said Jacob was important.  Tell me another one.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I would imagine Shepard had more than 12-ish soldiers at his disposal on Torfan anyway.



In regards to the original post, I'd have to say that my first guess about that would be Miranda and Jacob if anyone.

[The7Sins]

Grunt will probably return to continue killing strong opponents.



Zaeed will most likely leave for more money or retire.



Mordin should return as your head researcher.



Tali will return for fanservice sadly.



Jack will leave.



Samara has said she would leave once her oath is done since she would otherwise have to attempt to kill Shepard for breaking Asari laws and she does not want to ruin the friendship.



Legion is to important to leave and needs to be fleshed out more.



Garrus will return due to loyalty to Shepard.



Kasumi I do not really care and hope gets killed off between games. Though honestly she will probably not return for similar reasons as Zaeed.



Miranda being plot armor queen will return.



Jacob is 50\\50 on returning.



Thane will be dead.



So that is 6 I see most likely returning. 5 I see more than likely being gone. And 1 that can go either way.

[EffectedByTheMasses]

Miranda, Garrus, Tali, Grunt, Legion (He's still in EDI even if he 'dies', and on that note I would fully support a Legion/EDI/Joker relationship [but not necessarily romance] triangle), possibly Jacob and Jack. I know most people seem to think not Jack, but I really see no reason for her to leave, story wise. It would be weird.



Mordin will be retired or dead, may be a Wrex-like character in ME3 is my guess.

Samara will have left Shepard, as stated in above posts.

Thane will most likely be dead... I don't know. I personally hope he isn't, he was one of my favorite characters.

Kasumi/Zaeed are hired guns, most likely will not return.

[KainrycKarr]

Jacob, Miranda, Tali, and Garrus will return as squaddies. Mark my words.

[The7Sins]

EffectedByTheMasses wrote...

 Legion (He's still in EDI even if he 'dies',

As I've never had Legion die so is this confirmed or is him being downloaded into EDI speculation on your part?

[Gemini1179]

I'm torn in different directions on this one. One part of me feels that they could very well have accounted for any and all crew members staying with you until ME3 and done all the work to have them fully in the game in whatever capacity the ME3 companions would be.



Another part of me thinks something similar to this, except that the surviving members- in the time between ME2 and ME3- are all sent on 'secret' missions by Shepard which will have a payoff at the end of the game.



I wouldn't consider the default play-through having not upgraded the Normandy. It seems stupid and irresponsible of Shepard to NOT upgrade the Normandy seeing as how so much is made of the original Normandy's combat deficiencies.



Otherwise, I could see this happening:



- Samara can continue her life as a Justicar.

- Thane dies of his illness.

- Legion goes back to the Geth.

- Kasumi goes back to her life of thievery.

- Zaeed is still a Bounty Hunter.

- Morinth cannot deny her cravings forever, so I could see her leaving.



In fact, basically Garrus, Tali, Jack, Grunt, Mordin, Jacob and Miranda would strike me as the crew members most likely to stay with Shepard simply out of duty (Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob), rush of combat (Grunt), sense of responsibility (Mordin), and in Jack's case- it gives her something to live for in either a Paragon or Renegade route- to be part of something as a paragon, and simply a great ride to get to her next kill for a Renegade.





My two cents.