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[Dirty_Dan]

I say that everyone survives as default. I mean when I first played I only lost Mordin and that was only because I didn't have Zaeed and thought that you needed a hard hitter to get the crew back to the Normandy instead of any loyal character (I sent Grunt, BIG mistake). It seems more likely that they would keep everyone in it, maybe just mess with loyalty mission outcomes, if they did them, failed them or whatever. Either that or they kill people that are not that important to the story, like Jack, Samara, or Thane.

Modifié par Dirty_Dan, 28 janvier 2011 - 02:43 .

[alperez]

If you take the most simplistic approach given what little we know of me3's plot (gathering allies to defeat the reapers) then it would make sense that the characters and plotlines that most easily allow this would defintely return.



Tali/quarians



Legion/geth



Grunt or/and mordin/krogan



Ashley or Kaiden/alliance



Miranda and jacob/cerberus



Garrus/turians



Having these characters alive in your import allows slightly easier convincing of the relevant allies you want to recruit/not having them makes it more difficult.



The other characters don't particularly play a role that can be expanded in a way that helps or hinders you recruting allies so apart from character reasons are more expendable.



But for the suicide mission to make any sort of impact realisticly what should occur is default squad is everyone survives and is recruitable, then the only difference to a default or an import playthrough would be how you played me2 and how you handled the suicide mission. If this series really is about choice and consequences of that choice then make it so, otherwise what was the point of me2?



We really get no serious plot advancement in the main storyline, it doesn't move the story much past where we already where in me1 (the reapers are still coming, the council doesn't care etc). So without some major consequence from the suicide mission we could have really just played me1 and jumped to me3 without missing any plot implications.



I fear however the worst and we'll get some mish mash squad composition based not on who we would want or how we played but what bioware decide is the easiest way to go.

[lovgreno]

james1976 wrote...

You can't say Garrus and Tali aren't important to Shepard or each other though. They've been through hell and back together twice now. They have motivation to stay together.

Add to that all the fan support wich means a relatively safe bet for profit. Poor anti fans of Tali... Perhaps ME3 won't be the game for them. But you cant satisfy everyone, only the majority at best.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

lovgreno wrote...

james1976 wrote...

You can't say Garrus and Tali aren't important to Shepard or each other though. They've been through hell and back together twice now. They have motivation to stay together.

Add to that all the fan support wich means a relatively safe bet for profit. Poor anti fans of Tali... Perhaps ME3 won't be the game for them. But you cant satisfy everyone, only the majority at best.

Except for the fact anti-tali fans can easily kill her off during the suicide mission and so have ME3 'Tali-Free'

Also I highly doubt she'll have got off Haestrom without Shepards help so technically they don't even need to kill her during the Suicide Mission. I imagine if don't recruit her, she follows the path Wrex did in ME-ME2 if not recruited ie. dead.

We're talking about a 'Default' playthrough here anyway, something some people seem to be confusing thinking that default means that people not alive won't be there for them in their 'import' playthrough. That isn't true as pointed out above. So the talk of the 'figuratively speaking' important squaddies being there for default already has been knocked on the head with Wrex being dead.

Oh and if my theory is right, Quarians will be in dire straits for Default Shep, because Default Shep will have handed the evidence over. So lets see... so far... the potential for Default ME3 Shep is...

Krogans lead by an idiot stuck in the old ways (Wreav)
Quarians in civil war with them stuck between trying to have peace with the Geth and going to war with them.
True Geth rewritten to join the Heretics (default Shep most likely sent Legion to Cerberus)
Alien Council dead
Rachni dead
Genophage cure data destroyed, although it also means thankfully the Clan Weyrloc is severely weakened too
Morinth still on the loose because default shep messed up the mission but probably won't hear anything about that so as not to confuse the new players.

Possible surviving squadmates, Miranda, Jacob and Mordin meaning default Shep still has a techy for the lab and both male and femshep have a potential LI from the ME2 group and of course the opposing sex member out of the VS duo as well as Liara.

I have to say, if my theory is true, I'd be interested in playing a Default ME3 Shep to see how the frell they deal with all that although it isn't totally as messed up as my 'worse playthrough' idea hehe.

[TheGreyGhost119]

I always figured that we would get a bare bones run of ME2 as our default ME3, much the same as it was from ME1 to ME2.



Basically, we're just going to have Miranda and Jacob. (the default will be that Shepard cheated on Ashley/Kaiden with them)



Since the idea is going to be a dry run of ME2, I'm going to assume that they are going to act like they had skipped most loyalty missions. Because of this, only heavy hitters will survive. I'm thinking Garrus and Grunt off hand. (I can't remember how the SM actually works without loyalty)



I'm also going to say they might keep Samara, just so we can have a pure Biotic since I am guessing that Liara will not become a full squad mate.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Default ME2 Shep had no LIs so neither will have Default ME3 Shep. Too busy with the mission for such things although I did find it amusing on this 'default' playthrough I've just been playing to try work it out, where I came across a load screen where it mentions that there is no dating services in the game and so for any chance of romance you have to talk to people

Anyway just finished it, clocking in at just over 12 and half hours. Skipping through conversations by pressing the 'skip button' with the dialog centered on the middle right choices where possible and selecting bottom right for most of the others when a middle right wasn't there (just as it seems Default ME2 Shep had done in ME).

Pretty much played out as I expected, survivors were Shepard, Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, Joker and EDI granted I went with the idea that Shepard didn't do the ship upgrades, and loses the numero uno people in those spots (Jack, Tali and Thane). That left him with a grand choice of Mordin, Garrus and Jacob for vent run, so as Garrus is the most 'survivalist tech' around, he went in and died. Then onto the Biotics and with Samara being the only real 'adept' left, it fell to her even though she was unloyal because Default Shep is dull and boring and didn't get Morinths attention in the club (a few of the actions to get her attention require either left side paragon or renegade selections. Default Shep doesn't do that. Default Shep is all about the mission so no one sent back with the crew and Miranda used once again as leader as in earlier instance. Grunt and Jacob taken in the biotic walk and so Grunt died. Final battle, Mordin and Miranda (Lab person and XO) leaving Samara and Jacob on door defence, Samara dead due to being unloyal.

As for other things that happened during the story, Quarians are now arguing amongst themselves because default 'stick to the mission' shep handed the evidence in. Genophage cure research destroyed oh and all the stuff that Default ME2 Shep had done for ME (rachni, wrex and alien council dead). It was kind of fun doing the playthrough as got to see some stuff I doubt I ever would on any of my other playthroughs picking the 'neutral' options most of the time. Course, just like with ME2 default, it pretty much ran midway on the Paragon/Renegade scale but tipping more towards Renegade due to certain decisions (Tali evidence, Legion sent to Cerberus, Crew left to try make it back to the Normandy on their own to name but a few).

I might be wrong and they might have different survivors but this is basically what happened when I attempted a 'neutral' playthrough.

[Intax]

My guess is there won't be a default playthrough for ME3. I think they're going to use that interactive comic deal they did for the PS3 ME2 game and allow players to make certain choices about their history before starting the game.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

If they were going to do that, they would've done it for ME2 when it first came out, the only real reason the comic was made was purely for PS3 people new to ME world who didn't have access to ME. Everyone has access to ME2 now, so no need for a comic for ME3. It'd also be detrimental to sales of ME2 if they did a comic startup for 'new game' playthroughs. Least with a default choice, it's a case of 'want to see something different, go buy the earlier games'. Which is why it also makes sense for 'default ME3 shep' to have a low squad survival rate from the suicide mission.

[flem1]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

That left him with a grand choice of Mordin, Garrus and Jacob for vent run, so as Garrus is the most 'survivalist tech' around, he went in and died.

Default should be Jacob, since he's the only volunteer.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

flem1 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

That left him with a grand choice of Mordin, Garrus and Jacob for vent run, so as Garrus is the most 'survivalist tech' around, he went in and died.

Default should be Jacob, since he's the only volunteer.

Ok... Garrus survives, goes to final battle with Miranda, Mordin survives holding the line whilst Samara still dies yeah I know if I had Garrus where I had Jacob, Samara would've lived, but way I see it, it's pointless her being in ME3 for default Shep because she would've been off searching for her daughter in this instance.

Default Shep has option for LI with either Garrus or Miranda as well as the opposite sex VS and Liara for ME3

[PrinceLionheart]

Layzr wrote...

jacob, miranda, garrus, tali

This, and maybe throw in Legion since he can easily be replaced by another Geth.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 29 janvier 2011 - 12:52 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Mordin, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Samara and Legion even if player kills him sense they're like cylons and just get new bodies so they don't exactly die.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 29 janvier 2011 - 01:09 .

[JeffZero]

Heh, yesssss. BSG reference. I like you, Destroy Raiden. (Do you really hate Raiden that much, though?)

[Hyper Cutter]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

I thing nobody from the crew will survive in default newgame in ME3. It make a reason to buy ME2. Business is business...

That's not possible, 2 people must live for Shepard to.

Also, iirc Bioware's got an "average number of deaths in the suicide mission" statistics, logically that would be the baseline.

[hawat333]

Miranda surely survives - it's almost impossible to get her killed in ME2, you can only get it done if you intend it, and I don't think it's a coincidence.

[Wittand25]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

I thing nobody from the crew will survive in default newgame in ME3. It make a reason to buy ME2. Business is business...

That's not possible, 2 people must live for Shepard to.

Also, iirc Bioware's got an "average number of deaths in the suicide mission" statistics, logically that would be the baseline.

Two must survive so that you can play DLC. That is the only reason for that number the same way Zaeed can only die on his loyalty mission if you do it post SM and have at least two other squaddies for other missions or Wrex can only die on Virmire if you have already recruited Garrus or Liara. This is just a gameplay mechanic to avoid giving the player the possibility to end up with an invalid save.

My guess for survivors (not squad-mates in ME3) are Miranda, Mordin and Samara maybe even Jacob. All three(four) are in no dangerous situations when getting recruited, the remaining squad mates of ME2 are about to get killed when they join Sheppard´s team and are likely considered dead/not recruited for a default game. 

I think that all the survivors will be back as cameos like Wrex was in ME2, with importance and content as it fits the character in question, including a reunion in the epilogue for the LIs.
I do not believe any of them will come back as squad-mates in ME3, because that would be far too expensive to create squad members who might not be accessible for every player. Especially because unless ME3 will practically  ignore any character development of the NPCs in ME2 ( like ME2 did, compare imports with Garrus not recruited, paragon Garrus and renegade Garrus), every NPC would need several completely different dialog trees depending on the ME2 decisions.

[JeffZero]

My hypothesis is that BioWare might not have originally intended to have more than a couple of squadmates carry over from ME2 to 3 but the huge number of critical reviews which directly praised certain characters may have changed their minds and we'll now see an ME3 with a lot more of that.

[DarthSliver]

Ive been thinking about this and I think Bioware should come up with a comic for default for ME3. But a basic comic that still leaves you wanting to play ME2, for the extra juice that i am sure an uploaded save from a previous game would bring. A comic would allow Bioware to leave more of the old team in from the second one to the third.

[AkiKishi]

Tali would be the only one that would have to be a squadmate in ME3, after all she's been there from the start (canon). Grunt also seems to have some sort of destiny that would make him a large part of ME3 (maybe in a similar role to Liara with his own scenario).Otherwise, really nothing that stands out that makes anyone essential.

Given the outcome of the last mission there are an awful lot of variables.

PS Garrus too, he's just not on the same leve as Tali , but he has been around from ME1.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 31 janvier 2011 - 11:04 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

I thing nobody from the crew will survive in default newgame in ME3. It make a reason to buy ME2. Business is business...

The only way for Shepard to die is if there are no crew members to pull him up. So if they all died, so would have Shepard. I would agree at the very least that Miranda will survive. I think maybe Cerberus will send Legion back to you (the game might assume you sent it to them) and Grunt will be "birthed" (the game assuming the player didn't release him).

[vanslyke85]

For sure's in my view...Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Ashley/Kaiden, Jacob, and Grunt. Grunt because in my game he loves being with Shepard and fighting alongside him. Hes said "I have a clan, a battlemaster, kin, and enemies to fight, what more could I want?" Plus he's badass and I could use him lol.

[CC-Tron]

hawat333 wrote...

Miranda surely survives - it's almost impossible to get her killed in ME2, you can only get it done if you intend it, and I don't think it's a coincidence.

If a player sides with Jack instead of Miranda during their argument then Miranda becomes unloyal. If the player then brings her in to the final fight with the human reaper Miranda dies. Hardly impossible.

[DarthSliver]

Well in my opinion a interactive comic like the one on the PS3 would be nice but a basic one like i said.

But the people i think should either of died or not be there in default is Thane, Mordin, Samara, and the two DLC characters.

Thane- his doomed to die from what i understand because of his disease.

Mordin- heard he was old for his species

Samara- You had the choice to kill her twice. One with Morilith and SM. But if she survived those I dont think she wouldve sticked around for the Reapers. But i could be wrong there.

Two DLC characters- Zareed seems to me to be in it for only the money. But if your Paragon you never really made to kill that one person. Kasumi, well the old excuse that she is dlc. But the game could assume default got her i suppose.

[BurnedToast]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Mordin, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Samara and Legion even if player kills him sense they're like cylons and just get new bodies so they don't exactly die.

Not true about Legion. Yes the geth normally upload themselves when they 'die' however, you are in the galactic core - not a whole lot of relay stations there. In fact, when he dies, his last words mention something about no carrier for the upload.

So, he might be replaced by another geth (since geth don't really have or value individuality) but if Legion dies, he dies for real.

Anyway, based on the ME1 -> ME2 transition I'm guessing everyone (except maybe garrus, tali, and possibly miranda/jacob) get the Wrex treatment. If you saved them, they make a camo (and/or you get an email) while if they died or you don't import they are never mentioned, or only mentioned in passing.

[Hyper Cutter]

BurnedToast wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Mordin, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Samara and Legion even if player kills him sense they're like cylons and just get new bodies so they don't exactly die.

Not true about Legion. Yes the geth normally upload themselves when they 'die' however, you are in the galactic core - not a whole lot of relay stations there. In fact, when he dies, his last words mention something about no carrier for the upload.

They could just say Legion backed himself up prior to the Omega-4 relay, as any sensible machine would do.

CC-Tron wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Miranda
surely survives - it's almost impossible to get her killed in ME2, you
can only get it done if you intend it, and I don't think it's a
coincidence.

If a player sides with Jack instead of
Miranda during their argument then Miranda becomes unloyal. If the
player then brings her in to the final fight with the human reaper
Miranda dies. Hardly impossible.

that is literally the only way to kill her. Even unloyal, Miranda survives everything else (being fire team leader, the seekers, even holding the line)