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[Spectre Collecter]

It could be that I'm simply a tad idiotic, or my lack of attention span reared it's inhibitous head at the time -- but, I don't think it was ever really explained (so far) how the Reapers get to Earth. Given the evidence in the ME3 trailer it's pretty obvious the Reaper fleet finds Earth and proceeds to nom its delicious, tectonic crust. I'm sure it will be revealed, if not already, early on in ME3, but what are some of your theories?

Take to account their original plan of using the keepers to simply activate the relay inside the Citadel was trolled by the Protheans, Sovereign failed in his attempt to activate it manually, and the collecters simply tried to create new reapers, commonly refered to as the Human-larve Reaper, which was foiled as well.

... With the information we have at our disposal thus far, I can't think of another way. Anyway, what're your thoughts?

[Darth_Ravor]

simple, they could get there any time they wanted by just flying there. they were just too scared of Garrus to move in yet so the trailer is obviously the alternate ending if garrus died on the suicide mission!

[AdmiralCheez]

The Reapers built the relays themselves, remember. They may be able to jump without them, albeit less efficiently. The Citadel would still hold value as a shortcut and one hell of a surprise attack. Additionally, intentionally making organics dependent on the relays would ensure that they'd be able to effectively corner them when the shut the network down, thus giving the Reapers yet another advantage.

[Spectre Collecter]

Makes sense I s'pose.

[Spectre Collecter]

@AdmiralCheez



Very true... But why wouldn't they do that in ME2? Now that the Reaper they left behind as a back-up plan was thwarted?

[Ragnarok521]

My interpretation of the subject is more or less the same as Cheez's. I'd imagine that the Reapers' ultimate goal is the Citadel, as from there they will be able to gain control of of the relays, get census data, etc. Earth was just unfortunate enough to be in their way.



As to why they didn't just go straight to Plan C, an entire fleet would attract more attention than one ship. That's how I reason it anyway.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Spec: Bad writing. That and they couldn't start the final battle in the second chapter.  Or maybe the Reapers actually have a good reason, but I really don't trust Marc Walters.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 27 janvier 2011 - 04:16 .

[Spectre Collecter]

The galaxy's worst nightmare is pretty much the fact that the Reapers may get through. The point of both ME1 and two weren't preparation for their arrival, it was moreso precautionary missions to make sure they didn't -- the fact that they do get through probably has Shepard sh!tting bricks.



My point being, TIM and Shepard should have known that the Reapers could very well use the relays... Why didn't they take measures against it? They still have to use them themselves, but if you think about the relays like Omega 4, couldn't they have tampered with the IFF a bit?

[Sajuro]

Spectre Collecter wrote...

The galaxy's worst nightmare is pretty much the fact that the Reapers may get through. The point of both ME1 and two weren't preparation for their arrival, it was moreso precautionary missions to make sure they didn't -- the fact that they do get through probably has Shepard sh!tting bricks.

My point being, TIM and Shepard should have known that the Reapers could very well use the relays... Why didn't they take measures against it? They still have to use them themselves, but if you think about the relays like Omega 4, couldn't they have tampered with the IFF a bit?

Or set it so if a ship does have the Reaper IFF to send them into the nearest star, and uninstall of mod the Normandy's Reaper IFF

[Spectre Collecter]

Sajuro wrote...

Spectre Collecter wrote...

The galaxy's worst nightmare is pretty much the fact that the Reapers may get through. The point of both ME1 and two weren't preparation for their arrival, it was moreso precautionary missions to make sure they didn't -- the fact that they do get through probably has Shepard sh!tting bricks.

My point being, TIM and Shepard should have known that the Reapers could very well use the relays... Why didn't they take measures against it? They still have to use them themselves, but if you think about the relays like Omega 4, couldn't they have tampered with the IFF a bit?

Or set it so if a ship does have the Reaper IFF to send them into the nearest star, and uninstall of mod the Normandy's Reaper IFF

Aye. But like Admiral said before, it would be bad writing. I tend to notice plot holes and dwell on them more for the notion that it was done intentionally and will be explained later on, but try to decrypt the "secret" myself.

[SandTrout]

We do not have adequate understanding of Mass Relay technology to start trying to reprogram them. Cerberus having the IFF helps, but there is still a lot of research and testing before a Relay could be reprogrammed to respond in a hostile manner toward any ship with a Reaper IFF and not also destroy normal traffic. Also, even if you figured it out you would need to apply it to every mass relay in the galaxy because we don't even know what direction that the Reapers will be coming from. Until the Reaper IFF was recovered, we didn't even know that there was a way around transit drift.

Very true... But why wouldn't they do that in ME2? Now that the Reaper they left behind as a back-up plan was thwarted?

Maybe they did start heading in immediately after ME1, but they were so far out that even though they've been in transit for two years, they still have years to go, and now they won't even have the Collectors and a Human Reaper to welcome them and assist them in replenishing their resources.

[shoggoth1890]

ME2 itself pretty much served the purpose of a plot device for the trilogy as a whole, possibly more if well incorporated to 3. Since, even with an interim alternate media release, it would be too awkward to thwart the plans of the reapers to reach the galaxy, only for the very next installment to have them here. 2 was to say: they're coming.

[Zulu_DFA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The Reapers built the relays themselves, remember. They may be able to jump without them, [speculation starts here]albeit less efficiently. The Citadel would still hold value as a shortcut and one hell of a surprise attack.[speculation ends here] Additionally, intentionally making organics dependent on the relays would ensure that they'd be able to effectively corner them when the shut the network down, thus giving the Reapers yet another advantage.

Also remeber how Sovereign managed to bypass the Council's patrols to launch a surprise attack on the Citadel, even at the head of a large number of its Geth allies.

Also remember, that even if they are less efficient when jumping without the relays, they could just as easily jump to the Citadel en masse, just like we see them jumping at London. And regain their advantage, instead of losing the element of surprize.

But apparently, they don't care about the Citadel much. And, [speculation starts here]Vigil was lying.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 27 janvier 2011 - 05:18 .

[Yakko77]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The Reapers built the relays themselves, remember. They may be able to jump without them, [speculation starts here]albeit less efficiently. The Citadel would still hold value as a shortcut and one hell of a surprise attack.[speculation ends here] Additionally, intentionally making organics dependent on the relays would ensure that they'd be able to effectively corner them when the shut the network down, thus giving the Reapers yet another advantage.

Also remeber how Sovereign managed to bypass the Council's patrols to surprise attack the Citadel, even with a large number of its geth allies.

Also remember, that even if they are less efficient whem jumping without the relays, they could just as easily jump to the Citadel en masse, just like we see them jumping at London. And regain their advantage.

But apparently, they don't care about the Citadel much. And, [speculation starts here]Vigil was lying.

Or maybe Vigil was simply wrong.

As for the Reapers having alternative transit routes and means of propulsion thus enabling a surprise attack on Earth, that I can get behind.

[Bogsnot1]

Spectre Collecter wrote...
It could be that I'm simply a tad idiotic, or my lack of attention span reared it's inhibitous head at the time -- but, I don't think it was ever really explained (so far) how the Reapers get to Earth. Given the evidence in the ME3 trailer it's pretty obvious the Reaper fleet finds Earth and proceeds to nom its delicious, tectonic crust. I'm sure it will be revealed, if not already, early on in ME3, but what are some of your theories?
Take to account their original plan of using the keepers to simply activate the relay inside the Citadel was trolled by the Protheans, Sovereign failed in his attempt to activate it manually, and the collecters simply tried to create new reapers, commonly refered to as the Human-larve Reaper, which was foiled as well.
... With the information we have at our disposal thus far, I can't think of another way. Anyway, what're your thoughts?

Thats because ME3 hasnt been released yet. Wait until it is released, and then it will be explained.

[Schneidend]

Reapers have incredibly powerful drive cores. They could theoretically pool their mass effect fields together to create a column of zero mass like a relay does. Doing so, they could make a series of jumps to reach the nearest mass relay, taking breaks of several months in between these jumps.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Zulu: You know, the inclusion of the word "may" renders your red text obsolete.



When I said "less efficiently," I should have been clearer. Relays create corridors between one another, and ships can only travel along these set paths. However, this travel is virtually instantaneous. In order to make their way through the galaxy at similar speeds, the Reapers would (according to what I know about the physics of broken physics) have to either constantly set up and take down these corridors, essentially leapfrogging their way towards Merry Old Earth, or somehow warp space-time in front of them, clearing it of any matter, and plow away. Both methods are quite labor-intensive and take a helluva lot more time than using a pre-made path, but are still faster than conventional FTL.



I'll wager they probably didn't go for the Citadel immediately this time because they were on the wrong side of the galaxy. The Local Cluster may have been the closest populated system to their entry point, so they were probably like, "hey, why not take care of the biggest thorn in our side right off the bat?"

[StarcloudSWG]

First, it doesn't need to be explained. Second.. Reapers might be able to *act* as Mass Relays. So one flies out at FTL for a few hundred light years, and a Reaper acting as an "anchor" for the chain acts as a Mass Relay to start flinging other Reapers forward. The first Reaper through the impromptu chain then flies out a hundred light years and acts as the next "gate"... thus forming a chain that can span a lot of light years very fast.



And of course, then the chain collapses as the anchor Reaper flies forward until it reaches the next, and gets flung forward through the chain, etc...

[Zulu_DFA]

Yakko77 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Vigil was lying.

Or maybe Vigil was simply wrong.

Semantics.

[Bluko]

There are these things called Mass Relays. The Reapers in Dark Space spend a few months flying to the nearest Mass Relay at FTL speeds. When they get to the nearest one they apparently make the appropriate jumps to reach Earth and it attack in mass. Not entirely suprising since we've proven to be the biggest thorn in their side.

The trailer isn't even specific enough to indicate if Earth is the only planet under attack. I'm guessing it's not. There's several hundred if not thousands of Reapers. We only see a few dozen attacking what looks like only Europe so far.

The Reapers can travel the galaxy unhindered by fuel requirements most likely. The only thing Mass Relays do is slingshot you to another Relay instantly. The only difference is trips would take years or decades across the Galaxy without them. But we do have FTL drives, so travel by more normal means isn't impossible. Especially for the Reapers.

[Roxanna Barrett]

 "The trailer isn't even specific enough to indicate if Earth is the only planet under attack."This. We have no way of knowing this is an Earth only thing. They may well have aquired the Citadel first, and halted galactic coms. Also: The Marine in the trailer also seemed to have no clue what a Reaper was. 

[Sajuro]

 They get to the local cluster by punching the galaxy in the throat.

[DarthSliver]

Its been obvious since the first game, Humanity is clearly the only threat to the Reapers plans. Once Earth is taken out, the rest will fall like dominoes.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

If the reapers just fly to earth then it negates everything from the first 2 games. The Reapers use the citadel as a relay which means the reapers out in dark space must have a relay of some sort with them. The game description says that earth is under attack and must rally the Species of the galaxy to aid him so i'm guessing earth is the only place under attack. I think what is happening in the trailer happens later on in the game.

[Zing Freelancer]

Its pretty simple, a sleeping agent for Sovereign infiltrated Citadel, overwritten controls and let reapers in. Meanwhile Shepard are hanging at illusives man station smoking weed with him.