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[The Masked Rog]

I recently replayed DA:O on the PS3. Having played it on the PC before on thing became evident: the PS3  is nothing more than a sloppy port with badly adapted controls. Worse, while the PC graphics are simple and not very advanced, and thus a PS3's hardware is more than capable of rendering them, the graphics look WORSE on the console. This is just outrageous. If you can't adapt a game to the platform you are delivering it on, you can't call yourselves true developers. I don't know why but the consoles always get the shaft when compared to PCs. Development happens on the PC, then it is badly ported to consoles. Well, I don't think your fanbase is willing to have that anymore. DA2 is shaping just to be like DA:O, PC getting better graphics (DX11), a different camera, etc...

I urge BioWare to reconsider, unless you want to see the PS3 sales plummeting. The PS3 players have been the developer's sheeple for too long. We demand that this abominable practice of porting everything badly from the PC to PS3 be stopped, and games actually be developed with PS3 in mind.

To PC gamers, please do not flame this thread. Just try to imagine how you'd feel if you always got sloppy ports instead of same plaftform development you always get. Support our cause if you find it in your hearts.

[CardonT]

That's actually Sony's fault for implementing an "I'm too good for this world so I have to get special programming!" graphics chip.

Modifié par CardonT, 27 janvier 2011 - 01:11 .

[magicwins]

FYI, this game is not a port. All versions are being developed simultaneously in-house, much to my dismay (I'm a PC player).



Also, if you don't want to get your thread locked, it would help to not take such a hostile tone. If you have a serious issue with the way things are done and want to complain, there are official reps to approach.

[Yrkoon]

One thing I never understood in the whole PC vs. Console debate is why it always has to be either/or. Everyone I know who has a PS3 also has a computer. Everyone.

And that being the case, common sense would dictate that an intelligent gamer do their homework before getting out their wallet. That is to say, if you see a game you want, and it's avaliable for both platforms, but you notice that the game looks like crap on one of those platforms, then don't buy it for that platform. Buy it for the other. Duh.

Of course, if everyone did that, then threads like these would become redundant. And we can't have that!!

Modifié par Yrkoon, 27 janvier 2011 - 01:18 .

[peppercake]

Well, they are tweaking the combat system to better suit the consoles. I haven't played the PC version and while I'm sure it's probably superior, I really have no issues with the PS3 version. I actually grew to like the combat once I got the hang of it (and really, I don't see how they could have positioned the controls any other way). Only issue I had was the delays in releases for DLC.



As for the graphics, I've seen PC screenshots and compared to the PS3, I don't see the difference?

[Loc'n'lol]

You have been warned Bioware. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Akizora]

magicwins wrote...

FYI, this game is not a port. All versions are being developed simultaneously in-house, much to my dismay (I'm a PC player).

Also, if you don't want to get your thread locked, it would help to not take such a hostile tone. If you have a serious issue with the way things are done and want to complain, there are official reps to approach.

Why dismay? the strategical zoomed-out view of assigning commands still exists on the PC ^^

[Estel78]

"a warning to Bioware" *lol*

[Anarya]

While I empathize with your objection to the quality of Origins' PS3 port, I think your outrage is a little mistimed. It's either too late if you're going by Origins, or premature, considering DA2 has made a point of making the experience more even across all platforms. We'll have to wait and see how it shapes up, but I'm not sure what your post accomplishes, exactly, other than to vent.

[The Masked Rog]

Anarya wrote...

While I empathize with your objection to the quality of Origins' PS3 port, I think your outrage is a little mistimed. It's either too late if you're going by Origins, or premature, considering DA2 has made a point of making the experience more even across all platforms. We'll have to wait and see how it shapes up, but I'm not sure what your post accomplishes, exactly, other than to vent.

I am still to see exactly what improvements have been made specifically to consoles. most apply to everything.

[UndercoverDoctor]

hahaha

[Anarya]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Anarya wrote...

While I empathize with your objection to the quality of Origins' PS3 port, I think your outrage is a little mistimed. It's either too late if you're going by Origins, or premature, considering DA2 has made a point of making the experience more even across all platforms. We'll have to wait and see how it shapes up, but I'm not sure what your post accomplishes, exactly, other than to vent.

I am still to see exactly what improvements have been made specifically to consoles. most apply to everything.

You haven't noticed the graphics looking more even across the platforms? It seems to be the case from what I can tell. Granted I never got to play the demo so I can only go off released materials and therefore can't judge how the game controls or looks in person, but I'm betting you can't either. Thus my comment that your outrage is premature.

[Yrkoon]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Anarya wrote...

While I empathize with your objection to the quality of Origins' PS3 port, I think your outrage is a little mistimed. It's either too late if you're going by Origins, or premature, considering DA2 has made a point of making the experience more even across all platforms. We'll have to wait and see how it shapes up, but I'm not sure what your post accomplishes, exactly, other than to vent.

I am still to see exactly what improvements have been made specifically to consoles. most apply to everything.

  Specifically to consoles?  wait... if the improvements are applied  across all platforms then you have nothing to b*tch about.  Unless your primary gripe is that the PS3 version isn't getting the special and exclusive treatment you think it deserves, in which case, this is nothing more than  a  run of the mill elitist tripe on your part.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 27 janvier 2011 - 01:29 .

[The Masked Rog]

Anarya wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

Anarya wrote...

While I empathize with your objection to the quality of Origins' PS3 port, I think your outrage is a little mistimed. It's either too late if you're going by Origins, or premature, considering DA2 has made a point of making the experience more even across all platforms. We'll have to wait and see how it shapes up, but I'm not sure what your post accomplishes, exactly, other than to vent.

I am still to see exactly what improvements have been made specifically to consoles. most apply to everything.

You haven't noticed the graphics looking more even across the platforms? It seems to be the case from what I can tell. Granted I never got to play the demo so I can only go off released materials and therefore can't judge how the game controls or looks in person, but I'm betting you can't either. Thus my comment that your outrage is premature.

They said they have included DX11 which is PC only. What effort did they invest in PS3 or XBOX360 only graphics? Zero. So PC once again will ahve the upper hand. The lead SKU is PC, we will get a sloppy port.

[Estel78]

The Masked Rog wrote...

I don't know why but the consoles always get the shaft when compared to PCs. Development happens on the PC, then it is badly ported to consoles.

It's the other way around. Main concern are usually the consoles and the PC gets the sloppy port. Maybe you should address your complaints to Sony for making such a hard to code for console. However, as far as i know, the PS3 version was the prefered console version.

[Legbiter]

It's not Bioware's fault. It's an act of God to punish console users and have them repent.

[Itkovian]

And that would be why I never got a PS3: where Microsoft went for a standard PC architecture for its console, Sony went for something that requires significant work to make it onto their platform.

The end result is the PS3 often gets western games (which I prefer, not that I sneer at japanese offerings mind you) later than the rest, sometimes at a compromised quality (and sometimes not at all).

But really, I must say that DAO is just flat-out better on PC. It's where it was meant to be from the get go, and for that I will always cherish it.

As for DA2, I doubt the OP has anything to worry about, since making it work on console better was one of their main goals this time around.

ITkovian

[Estel78]

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oops, double post

Modifié par Estel78, 27 janvier 2011 - 01:37 .

[Anarya]

The Masked Rog wrote...

They said they have included DX11 which is PC only. What effort did they invest in PS3 or XBOX360 only graphics? Zero. So PC once again will ahve the upper hand. The lead SKU is PC, we will get a sloppy port.

I don't really see why you think this is a problem. DX11 is a PC technology therefore it's really irrelevant to console versions. What would you rather they do, refuse to include DX11 support out of spite for PC users?

And the effort they invested in console graphics is developing a style that works better on consoles than Origins' did, as well as making the game look more unique regardless of platform.

[Yodefet]

The Masked Rog wrote...

So PC once again will ahve the upper hand.

That will always be the case, guy. Graphically, games will always be superior on the PC and bug fixes can be handled by the community if they aren't done by the developers.

However, there are plenty of good console games (depending on what games you like) that will never be available on the PC, outside of future emulation.

[Dubya75]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Anarya wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

Anarya wrote...

While I empathize with your objection to the quality of Origins' PS3 port, I think your outrage is a little mistimed. It's either too late if you're going by Origins, or premature, considering DA2 has made a point of making the experience more even across all platforms. We'll have to wait and see how it shapes up, but I'm not sure what your post accomplishes, exactly, other than to vent.

I am still to see exactly what improvements have been made specifically to consoles. most apply to everything.

You haven't noticed the graphics looking more even across the platforms? It seems to be the case from what I can tell. Granted I never got to play the demo so I can only go off released materials and therefore can't judge how the game controls or looks in person, but I'm betting you can't either. Thus my comment that your outrage is premature.

They said they have included DX11 which is PC only. What effort did they invest in PS3 or XBOX360 only graphics? Zero. So PC once again will ahve the upper hand. The lead SKU is PC, we will get a sloppy port.

Where do you get your information from? If you are going to be so negative about the console version then simply don't buy it. 
Your hostile attitude is a bit premature wouldn't you say?
OK, so Origins didn't look great on console. Have you seen DA2 on console? No, you haven't. 

[TJPags]

The Masked Rog wrote...

Anarya wrote...

The Masked Rog wrote...

Anarya wrote...

While I empathize with your objection to the quality of Origins' PS3 port, I think your outrage is a little mistimed. It's either too late if you're going by Origins, or premature, considering DA2 has made a point of making the experience more even across all platforms. We'll have to wait and see how it shapes up, but I'm not sure what your post accomplishes, exactly, other than to vent.

I am still to see exactly what improvements have been made specifically to consoles. most apply to everything.

You haven't noticed the graphics looking more even across the platforms? It seems to be the case from what I can tell. Granted I never got to play the demo so I can only go off released materials and therefore can't judge how the game controls or looks in person, but I'm betting you can't either. Thus my comment that your outrage is premature.

They said they have included DX11 which is PC only. What effort did they invest in PS3 or XBOX360 only graphics? Zero. So PC once again will ahve the upper hand. The lead SKU is PC, we will get a sloppy port.

You admit that upgrades have been made to everything, then complain that no upgrades have been made only to consoles.  That's . . .inconsistent.

They upgraded the console graphics.  That's acknowledged in your prior post, since they are part of everything.

If all you're complaining about is that you think the PC graphics are going to be better than the PS3 graphics, please stop.  That's nothing more than a console-pc flame war.

If you have some specific concern about the graphics for DA2 on the PS3 - and I don't see how you can, since it hasn't been released yet - that's a different story.  But you've yet to articulate this argument, just that you think the PC will be better, and how unfair it is.

[upsettingshorts]

Considering contemporary console hardware is ~6 years old now, I'm not sure how an argument can be made that taking advantage of newer, perpetually evolving PC hardware while still attempting to push the older consoles to their limits is a bad thing - even if that means a top of the line PC (which not everyone has which most people don't have) is going to notice the best graphical performance

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 janvier 2011 - 01:46 .

[Grumpy young man]

A title with a quasi revolutionary overtone followed by usage of a word that defines unnamed group of people. Cute. Transparent, but cute.

[upsettingshorts]

Grumpy young man wrote...

A title with a quasi revolutionary overtone followed by usage of a word that defines unnamed group of people. Cute. Transparent, but cute.

I would have gone with common, misleading, and predictable as adjectives myself.