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[SasugaRIVAL]

I would post this in spoiler forum but I can't.

Anyways, my super elite group of Gray Wardens can't kill a group of twenty or back-alley thugs led by a guy with a big hammer who basically insta-kills my entire party.  I've thwarted off elite assassins. Felled powerful abominations. Defeated fearsome darkspawn.  Now, a group of common thugs has me completely stymied

I'm trying to use a DW warrior, Alistair, Wynne, and Lelianna. Apparently I need moar mage. My warriors in paper armor are getting swarmed and insta killed.  Wynne gets stun-locked by 5 archers shooting shattering shot at us.  Leliana is Leliana.

I'm at a loss at what to do.  I can't pull them because they are considered "friendly" until you get too close.  Alistair has no answer to their onslaught even with Shield Wall on.  Wynne simply can't keep up with the healing, and my warriors simply can't take enough damage nor dish it out quickly enough to kill this massive horde.

Suggestions?

Preferably something other than "roll a mage" or "bring Morrigan" (I hate that ****)

[Bullets McDeath]

Honestly, set it to easy. There is something about those encounters that is waaay off. Well, not something. It's the fact that it's 20 rogues so there is basically no way to not take constant flanking damage and get pwned. Got wiped trying to do this around level 7, still couldn't do it at 14 with warden commander armor, blood dragon armor, starfang, etc. Some people claim to make it through these encounters unscathed but my advice is save yourself the headache, lower to easy until you are done with the quest, and enjoy the rest of the game

[Stronghold II]

Try to pull with Wynne or Lelianna.



Seperate the bad guys, then destroy them.

[SasugaRIVAL]

@Stronghold

I said it in my post. I can't pull. I can only body pull since they are in "conversation" mode til they see you.

There is no way to separate them.. I am trying to kite them with alistair but the alley is too tight to really move in.

And the constant stun locking doesn't help matters.

Modifié par SasugaRIVAL, 14 novembre 2009 - 01:28 .

[Orogun01]

This makes me wonder if the achievement for fishing the game on nightmare will give you infinite gamer points?

[SasugaRIVAL]

I'm trying to just play on Normal

[Stronghold II]

SasugaRIVAL wrote...

@Stronghold

I said it in my post. I can't pull. I can only body pull since they are in "conversation" mode til they see you.

There is no way to separate them.. I am trying to kite them with alistair but the alley is too tight to really move in.

And the constant stun locking doesn't help matters.

 Sorry, not sure how I missed that. That will teach me to pay attention......

 I just micro manage the hell out of those battles, make sure to puff everuone before the battle starts. I always kill the achers first.....back the melee bad guys chase you for a bit while you drop the range bad guys.

 Not sure what powers you have with Wynne, but she has some great crowd control...........after you drop the archers, focus all power to drop one bad guy ata time.

 Really without knowing your spell/abilities I can't give you many tips.

[Taritu]

They're not impossible, but they are some of the hardest encounters in the game. Make sure Alistair (or your pc if you're a shield tank) pulls them, on 2 of the 3 you can do some line of sighting, body pull with Alistair, then run back and around whatever corner you can find. Concentrate on killing the trash, not the gang leader, then run down the archers. Expect to use a lot of healing, both poultices and healing spells, especially at the beginning of the fight. Worst case scenario, come back in a couple levels.

[SasugaRIVAL]

I've just got Wynne on auto level... the only thing she seems to have with crowd control is earthquake.



I've tried to cast earthquake to separate the mobs. Focusing on trying to take down as many as I can really quickly then finishing the rest off. In the time her earthquake lasts I can kill the boss if I'm lucky, but the constant archer stunlock slows me down so much that at best I can kill maybe one or two guys. Then earthquake ends and all I have accomplished is having 15 thugs seriously pissed off at my squishiest character. I try to taunt them off her but usually they kill her before they pull off her.



(aside: seriously Bioware, you make a game with stuns, but no diminishing returns on stuns?)



I'm seriously about to say **** this game. I've never played such a cheap game that wasn't a fighting game.

[SasugaRIVAL]

Worst case scenario, come back in a couple levels.

lol I like the rest of your advice except this point.

Considering the game has leveled mobs, coming back in a few levels will probably just give them more abilities to stun lock me with lol

[LordRascal]

I agree, very tough encounter, but here is the answer. It's twofold,



1) Get Shale. He is the ubertank

2) Press pause OFTEN. Set your damage dealers to focus fire on specific guys, keep your main tank on the dude with the hammer. Without an attack mage this is difficult, but can be done. I dont believe in killing the little mobs first in this encounter, because its the big guy who murders your whole party while you are trying to finish the riffraff. Have Lelianna throw poison flasks to cause some aoe damage to groups of guys, but use her backstabbing the finish him off and do serious damage. It took me several tries to finish this one, but i did it without anyone dying aty the end. Also, Wynne drains her mana every encounter within 1 minute. So make sure you have PLENTY of flasks for her, and keep pausing to regroup your guys

[Elanareon]

What i usually do is cast earthquake coz its an instant cast spell. Then try to swipe with 2 hander and mass stun with leli. Im assuming here that you have earthquake coz of wynne and mass stun of archers. Try the warcry of champions with aoe knockback, again im assuming you have one coz you have 2 warriors. And chug potions regularly.

[SasugaRIVAL]

Worst case scenario, come back in a couple levels.

lol I like all your advice except this one.  Considering the game has leveled mobs I think the only thing coming backin a few levels would accomplish is the thugs having more abilities to stun lock me with

[Flamin Jesus]

Now now, this battle can be pretty hard, but it's perfectly doable, it's not BW's fault if you didn't care enough to handlevel your healer to do some damage as well. Try using Morrigan or level up a little and look into force field, crushing prison and so on, fireball is also always a good idea, those can get you through the fight fairly easily.

[Flamin Jesus]

SasugaRIVAL wrote...

Worst case scenario, come back in a couple levels.

lol I like all your advice except this one.  Considering the game has leveled mobs I think the only thing coming backin a few levels would accomplish is the thugs having more abilities to stun lock me with

That's not the problem, enemies have an upper and lower level cap, I don't know what the upper cap for those thugs is, but there is one.
Also, gaining a few more levels would actually give you the opportunity to get the necessary skills and spells, same level with an unprepared party is far worse than same level with a prepared party.

[OrionUnas]

One way I like to do things... and I know you don't want Morrigan, or many mages... but my party consists of me, an Arcane Warrior, with Walking Bomb, and Virtualinte Walking Bomb; Morrigan, who has Cone of Cold; Alistair, who has over power; Leliana who has Critical Shot (Hit?), and scatter shot.

My technique is to just simply gather wait for the melee to come to me. I pull my guys back as soon as I can, spread my saucy Rogue to the back, my sarcastic Templar to the front, capracious Mage to a far side, so Cone of Cold won't freeze my allies, and her unwitted toy, the Arcane Mage to her side.

When Alistar is takin' a beatin', Arcane throws him a heal, Morrigan casts cone of cold, I quaff a lyrium potion, as I got Flame weapons, that Arcane Warrior/Might... whatever ability it is on, and Essence Drain... the one that steals mana from dead bodies. By the time cone of cold is cast, I've got about... 7 of the 15 enemies frozen, the rest being archers, and maybe one or two melee's resisted. In the middle, Morrigan casts Vulnrability hex (the AOE verson), then I cast Virtulant Walking Bomb on the one with the hex. Now this is important, make sure Alistar does NOT use sheild bash yet. And make sure Leliana has enough stam for the Critical Shot. Use one, or both... just incase one doesn't hit, on the one who has virtulant walking bomb on him. If he doesn't shatter, then quickly get Morrigan to Winter's Grasp him, and do everything you can to get that guy to die ASAP. He will blow up, and either everyone else around him goes with him, or he infects everyone else around him causeing massive awesome explosions of blood.

Now the archers are all that is left, and they are easy tagets. Thats my technique. Keep in mind, Wynne has revive... so if you need to, revive your strongest character first. Use Leliana's posions and bombs for some extra easy deaths. I usually find that acid flask works best on soldiers, and kills about three or four out eight of them. As long as they are in the AOE.

(edit)

Yeah, I had a real hard time later on with the elf quests, but i went back and did some side quests, leveled up about two levels, and then came back, crushin' everyone!

Trust me, leveling up a bit is the best option.  I was going to say screw this game, gettin' pissed off, smashin' the keyboard till the keys came out... luckily it's a gamer keyboard ment to take every punishment out there, but once I leveled up and came back, I was slaughtering everyone.  That technique i use above here, is my second time play through.  first time play through, I did the same, except I had a warrior, and overpowered everyone who was frozen.  It's really the best option IMO.  I also had a Reaver, so Frightening Appearence was a great technique to use.

Modifié par OrionUnas, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:18 .

[SasugaRIVAL]

Alright, was finally able to beat it with some of your advice, and without having to resort to Easy, although Alistair died in the process (but that is what bros are for).  

I made Al to use poultice at a higher threshold.  Pulled with Alistair.  I was able to separate the group with Wynne's earthquake.  Killed the boss quickly with Hero and Alistair.  When the group came, Alistair taunted and was able to bunch them up.  Leliana tossed grenades into the group (take one for the team Alistair!). With a little luck the stun locks came in irregular enough intervals for me to quickly kill them one by one with Hero and Leli.

I'm going to look more into Leliana's poison-making. Those grenades are pretty helpful.  Maybe that way I can use her for AoE so I don't have to resort to using that massive **** Morrigan.

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Now now, this battle can be pretty hard, but it's perfectly doable, it's not BW's fault if you didn't care enough to handlevel your healer to do some damage as well.

3 problems with this statement:

1) "your healer to do some damage" - cause shes my healer? She's too busy trying to keep my paper-tank Alistair alive.

2) Wasn't a matter of "caring" to handlevel the healer.  I just like to let the game level the non-Hero NPCs. For RP purposes.  I'm not saying its a good reason but it's how it is.

3) Thugs.

Modifié par SasugaRIVAL, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:18 .

[OrionUnas]

I usually let Alistair take one for the team as well. whatever attacks don't hit me, keep me alive longer to kill everyone else.

(edit)

Whats wrong with Morrigan?  She is my fav character.

Modifié par OrionUnas, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:21 .

[Flamin Jesus]

SasugaRIVAL wrote...

1) "your healer to do some damage" - cause shes my healer? She's too busy trying to keep my paper-tank Alistair alive.

2) Wasn't a matter of "caring" to handlevel the healer.  I just like to let the game level the non-Hero NPCs. For RP purposes.  I'm not saying its a good reason but it's how it is.

3) Thugs.

1) Granted, her main job can stay healing, but with a few modifications she can do that job AND deal good damage, for example if Alistair dies often you can have her cast force field on him, makes him unable to attack, but he'll survive everything even if the entire field attacks him, which gives you a lot of time to either heal him back up with spells or deal some good damage, see fireball.

2) Well, if the result is a paper-tank and a useless mage, you might reconsider, or think about switching in different characters that have been autolevelled better to suit your particular needs.

3) Yeah, a whole bunch of Thugs.

[Wissenschaft]

Bah, I never bother to use heal spells. Why heal when you can cast force field on your tank and use potions.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:25 .

[OrionUnas]

An other GREAT technique i used, was to bring my dog. His overpower... or whatever it is called, when he mauls the target... pricless. Bosses and Yellow Threats, beware, my Mabriwill chew your face off.

[Maria Caliban]

SasugaRIVAL wrote...

Worst case scenario, come back in a couple levels.

lol I like all your advice except this one.  Considering the game has leveled mobs I think the only thing coming backin a few levels would accomplish is the thugs having more abilities to stun lock me with

Firstly, it have leveled mobs, but an area is locked to stay at the level you are when you first enter it. If they're level 8-9 now, if you save in that area and come back later they'll still be around level 8-9.

Secondly, you need AOE damage spells in this game. A good combo for this is Storm of the Century, which is Blizzard + Tempest.

[SasugaRIVAL]

OrionUnas wrote...

Whats wrong with Morrigan?  She is my fav character.

oh nothings wrong with her as long as, heaven forbid, I don't HELP anybody...  She tends to put up a big stink about that.

Flamin Jesus wrote...

2) Well, if the result is a
paper-tank and a useless mage, you might reconsider, or think about
switching in different characters that have been autolevelled better to
suit your particular needs.

Yeah, considering the difficulty of this game, I'm definitely reconsidering my "RP" approach to leveling.

Modifié par SasugaRIVAL, 14 novembre 2009 - 02:37 .

[immeyourenot]

I usually have problems with this encounter too, whenever it comes to it but the solution is usually fairly simple.



Go and buy your tank some better armour. That's all there is too it. Come back in Blood Dragon or something even better and it will be a piece of cake. I'm serious. I couldn't manage this with my warrior who is tanking with a two-handed weapon, but I didn't even need to switch to a Sword and Board warrior for the shield, just upping the armour to something strong should make your tank very difficult to kill. A little healing after that and you'll be fine.



This was on hard mode with a party of me (two handed reaver tank, level 11), Wynne, Waffles (my dog) and Morrigan (my Morrigan is gimped, no real damage spells at all, only waking nightmare which wasn't really much use).

[OrionUnas]

haha. Morrigan is easy to please, if you're a male character. Female character she won't be as flirty... but Leliana is way easier to please as a female. She is still my fav character, hah.