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[Thiefy]

yes and no. contrary to a lot of other people i am actually very attached to my wardens, so yes a part of me would be sad if i couldn't continue to use them in new adventures in the future, but by the same token i am also excited to explore something new as well.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

I'm gonna miss my warden that's for sure.

But I'm glad I'm getting a new person

[marshalleck]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Style will only carry the game so far if the substance is not there, and for me, there is absolutely no substance in the character Hawke, I dont like his voice, and thats what kills the immersion for me.

I'm calling shenanigans on this. You haven't even played the game, how can you comment on the "substance" of Hawke's story?

I was eluding to the game being shorter with less custimization, had nothing to do with the plot line...

You said the character Hawke has no substance. Character development happens through storytelling, and unless you've played the game already, it's not possible to know Hawke's story or how the character develops. I fail to see how you can be making any credible claims about a character's substance--it has nothing to do with the game's length, or character customization.

If it's a question of how defined Hawke is, I would argue that there is potential for deeper character development with a protagonist that is more clearly defined than one who is an empty plastic shell, and must by necessity be forced to shape itself around dozens of possibilities at the cost of only experiencing superficial development along many different paths.

Modifié par marshalleck, 28 janvier 2011 - 05:26 .

[Estelindis]

I'd like to experience another story with my Warden (as Awakening ignored the ending she chose in DA:O so thoroughly - no mention at all of her duties in the alienage - and didn't really add much in the way of finality with its oh-so-vague epilogue in which she disappears after a few years).

That said, I'm still looking forward to starting Hawke's story. Just because I'd like to play the Warden again doesn't mean I have some strange objection to playing anyone else in the meantime.

Modifié par Estelindis, 28 janvier 2011 - 05:29 .

[Sharn01]

Glad to have a new character with a new story even if I am not completely happy with the freedom removed from character creation, I hope they have the good sense to start a new character if they make a DA3. I wouldnt mind them doing a better wrap up of the warden, but that should be Origins material.

[Night Prowler76]

marshalleck wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Style will only carry the game so far if the substance is not there, and for me, there is absolutely no substance in the character Hawke, I dont like his voice, and thats what kills the immersion for me.

I'm calling shenanigans on this. You haven't even played the game, how can you comment on the "substance" of Hawke's story?

I was eluding to the game being shorter with less custimization, had nothing to do with the plot line...

You said the character Hawke has no substance. Character development happens through storytelling, and unless you've played the game already, it's not possible to know Hawke's story or how the character develops. I fail to see how you can be making any credible claims about a character's substance--it has nothing to do with the game's length, or character customization.

If it's a question of how defined Hawke is, I would argue that there is potential for deeper character development with a protagonist that is more clearly defined than one who is an empty plastic shell, and must by necessity be forced to shape itself around dozens of possibilities at the cost of only experiencing superficial development along many different paths.

Im stating my own opinion, he reminds me of every other commoner to hero character, that is basically the story, and as I said, I dont really care for his voice and I dont view him (from what Ive seen) as having much substance, its an opinion, not meant to be fact.

[marshalleck]

That it's an opinion doesn't mean it can't be ill-conceived or just wrong. You've got no basis for forming a credible opinion of Hawke's "substance." Rather lame excuse for a poorly thought out post, but whatever.

Modifié par marshalleck, 28 janvier 2011 - 05:37 .

[Night Prowler76]

marshalleck wrote...

That it's an opinion doesn't mean it can't be ill-conceived or just wrong. You've got no basis for forming an opinion of Hawke's "substance." Rather lame excuse for a poorly thought out post, but whatever.

If all we get is 3 minutes of gameplay to form an opinion of a character on, how does that make anyones opinion irrelevant? EVERYONE on here is basing an opinion about the game on the information they have gotten, not just me.

[marshalleck]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

That it's an opinion doesn't mean it can't be ill-conceived or just wrong. You've got no basis for forming an opinion of Hawke's "substance." Rather lame excuse for a poorly thought out post, but whatever.

If all we get is 3 minutes of gameplay to form an opinion of a character on, how does that make anyones opinion irrelevant? EVERYONE on here is basing an opinion about the game on the information they have gotten, not just me.

The topic of the thread is "Do you mind that the wardens story is over?" Not "what is your opinion of Hawke's character development in DA2?"

I have no real opinion on Hawke yet. I only expressed that I am fine with moving on to new characters and new adventures, rather than continually trotting out the tired old warhorse that is the Warden.

[Night Prowler76]

marshalleck wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

That it's an opinion doesn't mean it can't be ill-conceived or just wrong. You've got no basis for forming an opinion of Hawke's "substance." Rather lame excuse for a poorly thought out post, but whatever.

If all we get is 3 minutes of gameplay to form an opinion of a character on, how does that make anyones opinion irrelevant? EVERYONE on here is basing an opinion about the game on the information they have gotten, not just me.

The topic of the thread is "Do you mind that the wardens story is over?" Not "what is your opinion of Hawke's character development in DA2?"

I have no real opinion on Hawke yet. I only expressed that I am fine with moving on to new characters and new adventures, rather than continually trotting out the tired old warhorse that is the Warden.

Yes, and Im not criticizing you for wanting to move on because the Warden is a tired old warhorse, it seems like if anyone mentions some discontent about the game on these forums they get their heads bit off.

[Night Prowler76]

But yes, wrong thread to bring up discontent about the other aspects of the game.

Modifié par Night Prowler76, 28 janvier 2011 - 05:47 .

[Kourui]

Too be Honest i don't think so, sure I will but not as much as I think I would, I'll tell you what i'll miss for sure, Morrigan! I wanna know WTFCOPTER happened to her/After WH >< this is the part thats going to kill me over the years untill its resolved, and if it isnt then.. GG I'm mentally screwed.

[Bryy_Miller]

Before I knew we were playing as Hawke in DA2, I was really wondering how they could (possibly) extend the Wardens storyarc. So I'm glad his tale is over (for now). I'm interested in seeing what DA2 brings to the table if it is indeed a buffer story.

[Zjarcal]

As much as I love my warden (and I really do LOVE her, perhaps to the point of being obsessed with her), I really am glad her story is over. As many have mentioned, extending the warden's story arc would've been... odd. The warden's story was over in Origins. I didn't like to play Awakening with an imported warden (only did it with Orlesians), as it felt out of character for my warden. The same goes for Golems. With Witch Hunt I could justify that she was worried about her friend Morrigan, but that was it.



Honestly, I love how her story ended and I want to keep that beautiful ending intact. So bring on Hawke.

[Annie_Dear]

I don't mind, though I'd love to have some closure on his/her story.

[-Skorpious-]

Zjarcal wrote...

As much as I love my warden (and I really do LOVE her, perhaps to the point of being obsessed with her), I really am glad her story is over. As many have mentioned, extending the warden's story arc would've been... odd. The warden's story was over in Origins. I didn't like to play Awakening with an imported warden (only did it with Orlesians), as it felt out of character for my warden. The same goes for Golems. With Witch Hunt I could justify that she was worried about her friend Morrigan, but that was it.

Honestly, I love how her story ended and I want to keep that beautiful ending intact. So bring on Hawke.

I understand that people roleplay different characters, but I took GoA as the Warden agrees to help House Dace, and House Dace repays the Wardens with gold, resources, or new recruits to help rebuild Ferelden's Grey Wardens.

It may not matter to you, but the brilliance of roleplaying is that you can add your own back-stories whenever you see fit. =p

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 28 janvier 2011 - 06:21 .

[Zjarcal]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I understand that people roleplay different characters, but I took GoA as the Warden agrees to help House Dace, and House Dace repays the Wardens with gold, resources, or new recruits to help rebuild Ferelden's Grey Wardens.

It may not matter to you, but the brilliance of roleplaying is that you can add your own back-stories whenever you see fit. =p

Oh, I don't deny that! Roleplaying is a beautiful thing.

My warden was one of those who didn't care about being a warden. She stopped the blight because, well... she didn't wanted to die at the hands of Archie! But after that she wasn't remotely interested in remaining a warden.

At any rate, I'm happy with my warden's story ending with Origins (with WH as an addendum).

[Zubie]

Gonna miss my Warden but fully understand why, and support, the story taking different route this time around.



If the Warden ever does return in a future DA game, assuming there is one, then that would be pretty awesome too.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

It's been long since I find myself deeply attached to any of RPG's characters. My last true RPG character was Neverwinter Night. Even Neverwinter Night 2 and TES: Oblivion couldn't bring the same attachment as I enjoyed with Neverwinter Night. Since then my interest in RPG dwindled as I felt less and less character attachment with today's RPG. I always thought role-playing is about our inner self where our mind and emotion are completely bound to main character designed by the game. I always thought role-playing is about our own story and how we shape our character as closely as we could to mirror our own self..... But it became clear to me that "outside" cinematic controllable characters ala Final Fantasy characters became mainstream preference. My definition of RPG was dead together with my main characters in Neverwinter Night, TES: Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind.

Now days, I enjoyed games like Divinity 2, Oblivion, Fallout New Vegas and Mass Effect 2 simply as adventure games rather than RPG. There're simply not enough elements to bond myself to their main characters. There're simply not enough elements to cause me great concern for my characters. I barely touched by my own choices and decisions nor do I care much about my companions to replay and explore different alternatives. Heck, I even felt I've wasted $50+ for mere 20 minutes playing with Assasin Creed 2 because I can't stand it any longer.

However, Dragon Age Origins renew my RPG interest. I grew fond of my warden. I remember I spent 2 days and half to shape my warden face because I didn't like default presets. When my character finally entered Ferelden, I was surprised to feel myself deeply connected with my character parents, Bryce and Eleanor Cousland. Their death brought rage inside me and my mind were completely driven to seek Howe. I would do anything to make sure Howe paid his price dearly ( which was sadly unsatisfying ). Somehow, throughout my quest to end the blight, my companions especially Morrigan and Alistair reminded me of more important matter to deal with than my personal revenge. Their arguments and personas were so much alive that I was glad they're by my side all the time.

When I learned my warden isn't going to make it in DA2, I was furious and annoyed. Heck I even felt my warden (thus my ownself ) was been manipulated by the game. This is something I haven't felt for so long with any RPG after Neverwinter Night.

Someone told me, my warden isn't going to survive long due to the taint and immediately I know I have to let go off my warden. It's a sad thing for me to do. This is something I know I would not get from experiencing other main characters. Mass Effect 2's Commander Shepard prove himself inferior to my warden in term of roleplaying. But my warden should rest now and may the Maker always smiles on him. Rest in Peace, my beloved warden. T_T

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 28 janvier 2011 - 06:57 .

[Dr. wonderful]

A little.



I mean sure, it's was fun right? But I'm pretty sure my Warden is going to be fine.

[Matchy Pointy]

Not at all, I'm looking forard to playinga new character, not to mention the Warden was so crazy powerful by the end that it would ebe madness to balance a game around.

[Avilia]

Not really. I never found myself attached to any of my wardens. To the other characters, yes, the Warden, no. In my brief dabbling into fan fic I rarely felt the need to write about the Warden only about characters I created or, again, the other characters in Origins.

I'm happy to see a new player character introduced and very keen to see how the voice goes. I liked that in the MEs and I'm sure I will in DA too.

Modifié par Avilia, 28 janvier 2011 - 07:15 .

[Iakus]

While I really enjoyed playing as the Warden (and I intend to keep playing as him too) I don't mind much that the story is over.  I mean, in the end, the GW is ultimately destined to wind up in the Deep Roads or become a ghoul.  Peronally, I'd rather just let the story end before it came to that.

DA2 will end up being a different type of game.  New locations, new artwork, new characters, new protagonist, new narrative. But still Thedas and all that entails.  I hope Bioware continues to make games with more customizable "origin stories" like DAO, I think that went off rather well.  Still, I'm looking forward to finding out how to make Hawke "my" Hawke

[Kimarous]

In a way, I don't really view the Warden's story as "over." Oh, sure, the gameplay portions have run their course, but given that my Warden got the Witch Hunt ending wherein Morrigan directs him to the "mystery book," I can only guess as to what it said and how my Warden would presumably react to it. Of course, I won't really be able to gauge the latter until DA2 runs its course. In a nutshell, it's over in all but my roleplaying, fanficcing mind.

[Piecake]

Not at all, since my Warden's story has ended, permanently.