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[Fiery Phoenix]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

It lacks the chicness and feminity of her default attire. It simply being there as an extra is fine, but if Bioware decide to go this route with squad attires in ME3, it will imply that it's just not possible to be feminine and tough at the same time.

I don't like that message.

Keep saying these things. It's highly entertaining.

[jlb524]

Val Seleznyov wrote...
it will imply that it's just not possible to be feminine and tough at the same time.

I don't like that message.

The main character of the game (FemShep) is both, as are plenty of other female squad mates.  Liara being the most obvious....I believe her new armor is still 'feminine' but it looks like real armor and she's quite 'tough' while wearing it.

[Val Seleznyov]

jlb524 wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...
it will imply that it's just not possible to be feminine and tough at the same time.

I don't like that message.

The main character of the game (FemShep) is both, as are plenty of other female squad mates.  Liara being the most obvious....I believe her new armor is still 'feminine' but it looks like real armor and she's quite 'tough' while wearing it.

It's probably for the best that i keep my opinions on the female Shepard to myself. But the fact that she and male Shepard use the same animations doesn't exactly make her seem feminine a lot of the time.

Liara is only playing at being tough in ME2. She looks like a scared lamb when Shepard interrupts her threatening that one guy. Sure she has her biotics, but her intellect is her main weapon.

I did like her Lair of the Shadow Broker outfit, though. It didn't betray her personality, unlike Miranda's new armour.

This is all besides the point, however. Miranda has been set up in a certain way, and this armour may very well be the first step in knocking her, and all she stands for, down.

[jlb524]

You seem to have a very limited and restricted views on what constitutes 'femininity' and it seems they follow the typical and classic Western stereotype for women and are hardly progressive at all.

[jwalker]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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This is all besides the point, however. Miranda has been set up in a certain way, and this armour may very well be the first step in knocking her, and all she stands for, down.

You're saying looking ridiculous fighting Collectors in a catsuit and high heels is part of Miranda's personality ? And if she wears proper armor for combat that's OOC for her ?

Are you for real ?

[Val Seleznyov]

jlb524 wrote...

You seem to have a very limited and restricted views on what constitutes 'femininity' and it seems they follow the typical and classic Western stereotype for women and are hardly progressive at all.

You seem to think that a progressive attitude on the subject means not thinking it out of place when a female character uses male body language.

The way that female Shepard sits isn't very feminine at all. There really isn't any escaping that. Her vocal mannerisms however... well, yes. At times she comes across as both tough and feminine. 

[Val Seleznyov]

jwalker wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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This is all besides the point, however. Miranda has been set up in a certain way, and this armour may very well be the first step in knocking her, and all she stands for, down.

You're saying looking ridiculous fighting Collectors in a catsuit and high heels is part of Miranda's personality ? And if she wears proper armor for combat that's OOC for her ?

Are you for real ?

I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

[_Somebody]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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This is all besides the point, however. Miranda has been set up in a certain way, and this armour may very well be the first step in knocking her, and all she stands for, down.

You're saying looking ridiculous fighting Collectors in a catsuit and high heels is part of Miranda's personality ? And if she wears proper armor for combat that's OOC for her ?

Are you for real ?

I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

Except that it makes no sense when your out in the vacuum of space...

[jwalker]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

"We" haven't been over anything. Only you consider your viewpoint as highly enlightened

[jlb524]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

You seem to think that a progressive attitude on the subject means not thinking it out of place when a female character uses male body language.

The way that female Shepard sits isn't very feminine at all. 

What body language should she use and how should she sit?  Regardless of their lazy re-use of animations, I still think that FemShep can be feminine.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

Explain to me how wearing combat clothing when necessary makes her lose any of those attributes.

[Captain Crash]

Val Seleznyov wrote...



Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

And you still have that. Your solution is not wearing the armour and it will never be a problem for you.



If your worried about Miranda's 'chicness' or personality becoming dumbed down in ME3 take it to another thread because thats totally offtopic to this thread now and is causing this thread to curve nowhere good.

[Babli]

Val Seleznyo we get it. You want Miranda to wear catsuits. We really get it.

Now please, stop the rant. Some of us stopped taking you seriously some pages ago.

[LiquidGrape]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

This is all besides the point, however. Miranda has been set up in a certain way, and this armour may very well be the first step in knocking her, and all she stands for, down.

Yes, because introducing some level of legitimacy to her otherwise incongruously silly choice of combat-wear is obviously an attempt to undermine Miranda's character.

Obviously.

[Val Seleznyov]

jwalker wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

"We" haven't been over anything. Only you consider your viewpoint as highly enlightened

Well, considering that i appear to be the only person capable of looking at her without thinking about her ass, i'm almost certainly the most qualified to make such a judgement.

[Roenik]

I'm happy with the addition of new outfits. Variety is always welcome.

[Babli]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

"We" haven't been over anything. Only you consider your viewpoint as highly enlightened

Well, considering that i appear to be the only person capable of looking at her without thinking about her ass, i'm almost certainly the most qualified to make such a judgement.

[Val Seleznyov]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

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I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

Explain to me how wearing combat clothing when necessary makes her lose any of those attributes.

Because "combat armour" isn't a necessity. I've already been over my thoughts on this. Her default outfit is perfectly fit for a combat engagement on a non-hazardous world.

Obviously she has sacrificed a little bit of practicality for her sense of style. That says a lot about her. Overdoing that wouldn't be a good thing for her characterisation.

[JamieCOTC]

Actually, I think the armor looks tough and sexy at the same time. It adds a hint of realism while keeping Miranda totally in character. I'm certain there will be a few femSheps wearing this thing w/in hours of its release. The only thing I don't care for are the glasses.

Grunt looks like he's wearing a retainer. LOL.

EDIT: BW sacrificed realsim for "iconic" characters and that's why we have have Miranda in a catsuit, no other reason.    

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 02 février 2011 - 05:58 .

[Gleym]

Val Seleznyov wrote...
 
In pandering to the simple tastes of the vocal minority, Bioware have unwittingly sent out a very disturbing message.

When Bioware panders to hormonal teens who like butt-shots and skintight outfits with fanservice akin to Megan Fox's pointless presence in the Transformers movies: It's unique and personalized characterization.

When Bioware responds to the multiples of complaints from fans of the previous Mass Effect game insisting that a catsuit and breathermask in outer space makes no sense: It's pandering to a minority.

I love internet logic.

By the way, Val, so if you, with your naval training, decided to go into battle like this, it'd be perfectly fine and alright, because that's just you being unique and cool, right?

[ACC3SS]

Val Seleznyov wrote...
I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

I hope you forgot to include the </sarcasm> tag. Otherwise you have a long way to fall when that high horse bucks you off.
:innocent:

[jwalker]

Val Seleznyov wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Val Seleznyov wrote...

[..]

I don't think that she looks ridiculous at all - but we've already been over my highly enlightened viewpoint and attitude.

Style, verve, chicness... yes, i would very much consider these things a part of her personality.

"We" haven't been over anything. Only you consider your viewpoint as highly enlightened

Well, considering that i appear to be the only person capable of looking at her without thinking about her ass, i'm almost certainly the most qualified to make such a judgement.

[Gleym]

I think it's safe to assume by now that Val is a troll.

[JKoopman]

Sorry, am I a little late to the party?

Only on the BioWare forums could someone say that giving players the option of taking Miranda out of her stripper outfit and high heels and putting her in practical armor when going into combat is "disgusting" and "degrading". That caused me to facepalm hard.

Jebel Krong wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

there's no point in debating with single-minded zealots like terror_k, gleym etc - all you get is a headache, i should know i've "countered" them many times with reason, logic etc. but when you have your anti-me2 "religion" on your side, all the logic and reason in the world won't convince you, seemingly. plus i was being facetious - sorry if that didn't come across explicitly enough in text for you... 

What "debating" and what "logic and reason" exactly? A few pages ago in this very thread myself and a good half a dozen others came up with several reasons why most of the standard ME2 outfits such as Miranda's and Jack's are completely retarded in the Mass Effect universe, and you just completely ignored them and disappeared from the conversation, only to appear again now to make snide comments and little more.

You've offered absolutely no logic or reason beyond your own preference for over-the-top style over substance as to how said outfits can even work in the ME universe, and I wouldn't be surprised if you're countering the real logic and reason coming from the other side merely to argue because God forbid there should be any flaws in your precious Mass Effect 2. Even a lot of pro-ME2 people I've seen on these forums can at least admit that the outfits were retarded from a practical standpoint, even if they preferred the general gist of individual outfits concept-wise.

how about: having full-face helmets in a character-driven and conversation-based game would detract substantially fromthe experience - a la the preorder bonus armours everyone complained about for that exact reason? i've pointed these things out several times before with you and others, terror_k, i have neither the time nor the patience to babysit you through the same points again and again whilst you bang your "michael bay-esque me2" drum again and again (which is completely retarded btw). non-removable head/eye-pieces are just as bad with this lot.

Since 90% of squadmate dialog takes place on the Normandy or in "safe" hub areas, and only about 5% of combat dialog sequences take place in hazardous areas where full-face helmets would be required, I fail to see the issue. Taking away Miranda's stripper boots wouldn't "detract from the experience" in any way, nor would it prevent anyone from connecting with her character (although it might detract from the eye candy of her many cleavage and ass shots which, lets be honest, is the real reason you're arguing this); especially since your squad in ME1 wore proper armor in combat situations throughout the entire game and I don't believe anyone had trouble connecting with them.