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[VanDraegon]

Im not saying some imbalances dont exist. What i dont believe is that he soloed everything. B S

Modifié par VanDraegon, 14 novembre 2009 - 10:31 .

[KingTazzo]

bebe86 wrote...
The statement of "EA that pushes out crap on a daily basis" is simply false. EA produces rock solid games like Dragon Age, Spore, Sports game, and one of the biggest game in history of games "The Sims". They're a big company so it's easy for people like yourself to attack them, but you are simply wrong.

Wow

Dragon Age is made by Bioware not EA - if they get any credit on it then it's for the tiresome issues with launch (still don't have a code for all the DLC I am entitled to) or for the cash-milking release of DLC at launch. No I'm not suggesting they are the only ones that do this.

I don't know Spore so can't comment really but a quick search reveals it's a Maxis game so they get any relevant credit.

"Sports game" well this is where we get into people's main problem with EA. For every great version of FIFA, Tiger Woods etc there are 1 or 2 that are either rubbish or basically re-releases of an almost identical game to milk cash.

The Sims is largely a joke, a game for non-gamers in an era when the video game industry exploded. Again the continuous release of pointless expansions etc to milk a bit more of your precious money comes into play.

I'm sure EA get knocked more than they should do since they are such a massive publisher and as such synonymous with so much that is wrong with the industry. However your defence of them is laughable. The statement you quoted and took issue with seems far more accurate to me than your post.

[JamesMoriarty123]

"Oh I can just respec my party..." JESUS! What has WoW done to this generation of gamers. My character has spent years training as a mage, but hey, any time he feels like it he can just forget EVERYTHING he knows about one school of magic and instantly learn another?



Jesus, the OP is a fooking MOPE! Learn some tactics, you don't need an AoE.

And by the way, this is a ROLE PLAYING GAME not a MMO turd that requires you to just roll your face over the keyboard to win battles.

[Sirronald555]

THIS IS A SINGLE PLAYER GAME!!! That means you have a group of 4. If you feel that AoE mages are so OP, then try to run through the game with all the mages you can grab. Oh, suddenly you NEED that fighter so your squishy butt is not dying. Oh, suddenly you NEED that rogue cause you can't open any chests. It doesn't matter who you choose as your "main" in the game cause you will still balance your group when you get 3 more members.

If you are whining about balance in a tactical single player game it is because you suck and don't know how to pause, plan and use each member to their fullest. If you wanna be an archer, be one. Plan out your spec before just running into the game so you don't waste points. PLAN! Then pull in a group to balance the game for you.

Aside from that, if you take the time to plan your spec choices you can make any type of character competitive to others. On another side note, exactly what game "ever" has a mage NOT been the most powerful character? That is why they have no health/armor  (aka glass cannon).  Every class has it's purpose to a degree.  You just need to plan ahead.  This is not a game that you will just cruise through blindly and never die.  Take your time and strategize!  That's the whole point!

The thing I love the most about this game is the difficulty. I love wracking my brain to come up with a way to kill that boss that has slaughtered my party  5 times in a row.

Modifié par Sirronald555, 14 novembre 2009 - 11:16 .

[Kourd]

God.. please don't make future DA games into anything less challenging then this one.. I freaking love it for it's difficulty. And as so many people have pointed out.. in early editions of Dungeons and Dragons there where certain classes that where pitifully weak.. but they grew in power. Not every RPG needs to be designed so that everyone's a perfectly balanced killing instrument. That stems from MMO's that want to give each paying customer a fair experience compared to any other paying customer. That's not needed here.

[mr_nameless]

dammit people this isn't WOW, everything handed to you in a golden tray (though sometimes even DA comes close). Think Think Think.

If you think the game is too easy and unbalanced then go play tetris!!!! You don't "balance" a magic user!!! They are supposed to be bloody lethal (especially in the world of BA).

[0LunarEclipse0]

kongol36 wrote...

Sorta funny.. alot people saying th OP is wrong about mages,,, yet they all say use a mage.... Seems to me the people telling the OP to learn to play need to learn how. Make a party with NO mage NO healer then come back and post how mages arent very very unbalanced.. You might make it on easy or reloading alot on normal... WIth out using the cheat console You can not play this game with out a mage class in the party....

I'm posting this topic again.

http://social.biowar.../9/index/189856

IF YOU FIND THE GAME TOO CHALLENGING PLEASE READ ABOVE THREAD

IT HAS INSPIRED ME TO DO A NO MAGE RUN, THEY ARE NO NESSACARY IF YOU PLAN PROPPERLY.

[Cthy]

My warrior brings Morri along, but she doesn't even have any aoe nukes, just some cc and heals...

works fine for me

[Codemanjap]

xylrocks wrote...

 I think I might have expected too much from the company that brought me Mass Effect and Neverwinter Nights. Those games that released with such polish to character balances and the intricacies of each class. After playing DA:O for over 40hrs so far I have found out:
1) The difficulty scale is non-existent: One minute I am rocking the joint, the next slaughtered. I know this has been a consistent problem throughout...my question is why?? Mass Effect had no such bad scaling of difficulty (I have beat it on all difficulties and have multiple characters that I did it with). Why is this broken BioWare? Why?
2) In order for you to succeed without sheer luck you need to have a nuking mage in your party. If I want to roll with an archer, healz, tank and rogue or 2h warrior I am out of luck, becuase one minute I am doing fine than the system spawns 14 archers on me with two yellow shrieks. And of course my archer can't kill one of them by herself (yes by herself, she dies when she faces another archer by herself). Without an AOE mage I am screwed.
3) In order to play on any sort of difficulty I have to roll one of three archetypes: Tank with shield, elemental mage, or dual wield rogue. Why? because a hexing mage falls the same issue my archer does: she sucks, because archers don't do damage, and 2h warriors miss ALL THE TIME (roughly 1/2...the weapon is so big it would be nigh impossible to miss anything!)(even with 48 strength @ lvl 14 and 30 dex)

In conclusion I expected more polish on the character classes in a BioWare game. Maybe it is because they were bought out by such a company like EA that pushes out crap on a daily basis, or they just had too many games on their plate (ME2, DA:O, TOR-The Old Republic)
Or maybe I am just doing something horribly wrong which can be true too...oh I can just respec my party and....oh....
So BioWare please update this game FAST. I would enjoy rolling every single class combination as soon as possible, but when all I can do is sit in the shadow of a mage and plink away with my 2h axe or my mighty bow and arrow, I don't want to play (BTW I have three friends who are playing an elemenatl mage, and dual weapon rogue/warrior and they are doing fine, I mean earthquake>cone of ice>fireball clears 12 archers pretty fast. But it takes 6 min for me to kill them without a nuke mage...wtf....)

You ARE doing something horribly wrong. I'm playing on nightmare and switch my members constantly to try them all out lol. I mean, you have difficulty settings that are available and that you can change at ANY POINT of the game. If its too difficult just change the settings. I havent had any problems without having a ton of caster classes.

[NaclynE]

I do admit this game is HARD. I have been playing the game on Casual and my Mage has been getting her but kicked over and over again when I was working on the Ozamaar quest after leaving Lothering. I wanted to check it out first as opposed to the Mage tower storyline first. My character had tons of injuries and i'm like 'eek gad' Even the back to back boss fights did a number on me as well like fighting the broodmother, the broodmothers tenticles, and the cronies that popped up when the boss was halfway dead.



I really don't think it's a "Game Balance" issue but more like a player learning curve issue where a player needs to thirlly understand how the game plays and how to micromanage well to survive long. I agree that it would be like my tactics can drop basic 6-10 guys easy one minute but when I deal with 14 or boss fights I am like argh. But when I set my tactics well enough, I do manage to survive but yeah barely. Also at times yes sometimes glitches do kill me as well but most of the time it's just me not setting my tactics up well enough.

[Sylixe]

xylrocks wrote...

 I think I might have expected too much from the company that brought me Mass Effect and Neverwinter Nights. Those games that released with such polish to character balances and the intricacies of each class. After playing DA:O for over 40hrs so far I have found out:
1) The difficulty scale is non-existent: One minute I am rocking the joint, the next slaughtered. I know this has been a consistent problem throughout...my question is why?? Mass Effect had no such bad scaling of difficulty (I have beat it on all difficulties and have multiple characters that I did it with). Why is this broken BioWare? Why?
2) In order for you to succeed without sheer luck you need to have a nuking mage in your party. If I want to roll with an archer, healz, tank and rogue or 2h warrior I am out of luck, becuase one minute I am doing fine than the system spawns 14 archers on me with two yellow shrieks. And of course my archer can't kill one of them by herself (yes by herself, she dies when she faces another archer by herself). Without an AOE mage I am screwed.
3) In order to play on any sort of difficulty I have to roll one of three archetypes: Tank with shield, elemental mage, or dual wield rogue. Why? because a hexing mage falls the same issue my archer does: she sucks, because archers don't do damage, and 2h warriors miss ALL THE TIME (roughly 1/2...the weapon is so big it would be nigh impossible to miss anything!)(even with 48 strength @ lvl 14 and 30 dex)

In conclusion I expected more polish on the character classes in a BioWare game. Maybe it is because they were bought out by such a company like EA that pushes out crap on a daily basis, or they just had too many games on their plate (ME2, DA:O, TOR-The Old Republic)
Or maybe I am just doing something horribly wrong which can be true too...oh I can just respec my party and....oh....
So BioWare please update this game FAST. I would enjoy rolling every single class combination as soon as possible, but when all I can do is sit in the shadow of a mage and plink away with my 2h axe or my mighty bow and arrow, I don't want to play (BTW I have three friends who are playing an elemenatl mage, and dual weapon rogue/warrior and they are doing fine, I mean earthquake>cone of ice>fireball clears 12 archers pretty fast. But it takes 6 min for me to kill them without a nuke mage...wtf....)

Wow..uhm..I finished the game using a Sword and Board warrior, Shale, Wynn as an Arcane Warrior with no DMG spells and Lil as an archer on hard.  Oddly enough i had an AoE bomb setup if i needed it with this combo and i found it MORE effective than a casters AoE. 

[Sinfulvannila]

Every class has AOE abilities. And Mass Effect didn't have balanced dificulty. Whatever boss you fight first is considerably harder than the rest.