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[hawat333]

I would appreciate if someone took a look at it to check if that's about right:
No shield and weapons upgraded, Tali and Thane aren't loyal.

Approach, Thane and Garrus in group -> Zaeed and Kasumi die
Vents with wrong fireteam leader -> Legion dies
Seeker Swarms, wrong biotic, Samara and Jacob in team -> Samara dies
2md Fireteam leader -> Grunt dies
No escort sent with the crew -> crew dies
Endgame, Mordin and Thane in team -> Thane (non-loyal) dies
Hold the Line: Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Non-loyal Tali -> Tali dies
Shepard survives.

Modifié par hawat333, 20 janvier 2012 - 02:07 .

[The-Mimic]

I just want to run this by other people to be sure my math is correct. I want finish the game with only the humans surviving (doing a "My Shepard is a sleeper Cerberus agent programmed to secretly hate all aliens" playthrough). I'm following the plan I found in a thread on this board. Here it is if you are curious :

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Final Squadmates: All Human Crew
-----------------

Loyals: Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Miranda, Thane, Zaeed
Nonloyals: Samara, Tali, Mordin
Not recruited : Legion (Sold to Cerberus)
Normandy Upgrades: Armor
Chakwas and Crew: Alive

Before the Omega-4 Mass Relay
- Lose Tali's loyalty, by handing in the evidence at her trial
- Lose Samara's loyalty by scaring Morinth away
- Resolve the Miranda and Jack fight favourably for both
- Head to the Relay immediately upon abduction of crew

Approach to Base
- No shield upgrade - Bring Kasumi to the Oculus - Tali dies
- No weapons upgrade - Thane dies

Assignments
- Send Garrus into the vents - Garrus dies
- Use Kasumi as escort - Both Kasumi and crew live
- Use Jacob for shield - Bring Grunt and Miranda - Grunt dies
- Use Samara as the Second Fireteam Leader - Samara dies
- Hold the Line - Jack, Mordin, Zaeed - HtL score 1.66 - Mordin dies
- Final Boss - Miranda and Jacob

Death Roundup
- Legion Sold to Cerberus
- Tali died by engine room explosion
- Thane died by support beam
- Garrus died by rocket to face
- Grunt carried away by seeker swarm
- Samara after closing the second door
- Mordin died holding the line

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Miranda, Zaeed, All the Normandy Crew
-----------------

There's one little problem with this plan though. I'd like to do Mordin's loyalty mission because I want to destroy the Genophage cure. If I have Mordin loyal, he'll survive in "Hold the Line". So here is what I want to do to be sure only humans survive.


-----------------
Final Squadmates: All Human Crew
-----------------

Loyals: Garrus, Grunt, Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Miranda, Mordin, Thane, Zaeed
Nonloyals: Samara, Tali
Not recruited : Legion (Sold to Cerberus)
Normandy Upgrades: Armor
Chakwas and Crew: Alive

Before the Omega-4 Mass Relay
- Lose Tali's loyalty, by handing in the evidence at her trial
- Lose Samara's loyalty by scaring Morinth away
- Resolve the Miranda and Jack fight favourably for both
- Head to the Relay immediately upon abduction of crew

Approach to Base
- No shield upgrade - Bring Kasumi to the Oculus - Tali dies
- No weapons upgrade - Thane dies

Assignments
- Send Garrus into the vents - Garrus dies
- Use Kasumi as escort - Both Kasumi and crew live
- Use Jacob for shield - Bring Grunt and Miranda - Grunt dies
- Use Mordin as the Second Fireteam Leader - Mordin dies
- Hold the Line - Jack, Jacob, Zaeed - HtL score 2.33 - Everybody survives
- Final Boss - Miranda and Samara

Death Roundup
- Legion Sold to Cerberus
- Tali died by engine room explosion
- Thane died by support beam
- Garrus died by rocket to face
- Grunt carried away by seeker swarm
- Mordin after closing the second door
- Samara died crushed by debris

-----------------
Final Squadmates: Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Miranda, Zaeed, All the Normandy Crew
-----------------



So there you go, I'm pretty sure I got it right, but I just want a couple of external opinions telling me if I'm right. Thanks in advance for the replies.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

I want to kill off Zaeed, Samara, and Thane without anyone else dying. Is this possible?

Thane is loyal, Zaeed is unloyal, and I've yet to do Samara's mission. Should I make Samara loyal, how do I go about killing these three without risking anyone else?

Also, should I keep Samara unloyal either by skipping her loyality mission or botching it, would sending Thane into the vents and bringing Zaeed and Samara with me to fight the Reaper Larva ensure all three would die without harming anyone else? Can Shepard even escape the end with both squadmates brought into battle dead?

[darkchaosbunny]

I have unloyal Kasumi, Mordin, and Tali holding the line and every time I try it (3 times already), Kasumi magically lives. The score is 0 according to the graph. What am I doing wrong as I have a loyal Garrus do escort and a loyal Zaeed for the final boss so squadmate # is not the issue as I have 2 alive.

[darkchaosbunny]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

I want to kill off Zaeed, Samara, and Thane without anyone else dying. Is this possible?

Thane is loyal, Zaeed is unloyal, and I've yet to do Samara's mission. Should I make Samara loyal, how do I go about killing these three without risking anyone else?

Also, should I keep Samara unloyal either by skipping her loyality mission or botching it, would sending Thane into the vents and bringing Zaeed and Samara with me to fight the Reaper Larva ensure all three would die without harming anyone else? Can Shepard even escape the end with both squadmates brought into battle dead?

2 ways

1st way:
Thane: don't upgrade to a Thanix cannon
Samara: make disloyal, does escort or take to the final boss
Zaeed: does escort or take to the final boss

2nd way:
Samara: make disloyal, take to the final boss
Thane: Have Samara be the biotic specialist on the long walk and take thane along with any other squadmate.
Zaeed: does escort or take to the final boss

[ItsFreakinJesus]

I ended up sending Thane into the vents, Zaeed as an escort, and took Samara to the Reaper fight. All three are dead with no other casualties.

[darkchaosbunny]

that works too

[hawat333]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...
Can Shepard even escape the end with both squadmates brought into battle dead?

For future reference, yes, he/she can. It only depends on the number of survivors in your whole team. If you have at least two members alive, you'll survive, it doesn't matter if they are in your current party at the bossfight.
If there's less than one survivor, you'll fall too.
I guess it's because DLCs that can be played after the endgame usually require two teammates.

[The-Mimic]

So, for anyone wondering if my math was correct. It was. I killed off all the humans in my team while still doing Mordin's loyalty so I could destroy the Genophage cure.

[Ultimate_Kardas]

I just finished a worst possible playthrough with all loyalty missions but Legion's completed. (I wanted to blow up the geth, but then I realized that the heretics would overwrite the normal geth if we didn't do anything.) Only Jacob and Morinth survived.

Pre suicide mission: Failed Tali's and Thane's loyalty missions. Side with Jack for the fight with Miranda. Did not recruit Zaeed.
Omega 4 relay: No armor, shields or thanix cannon. Jack, Kasumi, and Thane die.
Collector base:
-Vent specialist: Garrus. Dies.
-Biotic walk: Made Jacob the biotic, took Miranda and Grunt. Grunt dies.
-Fire team leader #2: Legion. Dies.
-no escort, Chakwas (last remaining crew member) dies.
-Take Tali and Miranda with me for the final battle.
Hold the line: Jacob and Morinth survive, Mordin dies.

Survivors: Shepard, Morinth, and Jacob.

Post SM: Recruit Zaeed, let him die in a fire.

Modifié par Ultimate_Kardas, 01 février 2012 - 03:00 .

[kingrat2314]

I just followed the All Human Crew walkthrough, and every alien died except for Mordin. I did it 100% correct. A while ago, I did the one to keep only Tali and Garrus alive, but Mordin survived that one too. Don't know why.

[minininjasjhepardman]

very nice I really like the flow chart really helps.

[kreacher212]

 PLEASE HELP!!! i'm trying to get a perfect profile i can upload to mass effect 3, but when i complete the final mission someone has DIED!! I don't know what's wrong; all my squadmates are loyal, and i've used the right people for the right jobs (i think).
Here's what i did:
 Tunnels: Kasumi (Loyal - Survived)
 1st team leader: Jacob (Loyal - survived)
 Escort: Mordin (Loyal - survived)
 Biotic shield: Samara (Loyal - survived)
 2nd team leader: Garrus (Loyal)
 My final squad: Jack (Loyal), Tali (Loyal)
 *Holding the line: Grunt (loyal), Thane (loyal), Miranda (loyal), Jacob (loyal), Garrus (Loyal), Legion (loyal),
                                  Zaeed (loyal), Samara (loyal), Kasumi (loyal).

*Someone ALWAYS dies here in the cutscene after the human reaper falls (usually Garrus or Legion). I DON'T KNOW WHY!!! Please anyone HELP. :unsure:

[Praetor Knight]

^ have you tried bringing Kasumi and/or Legion, instead of Jack or Tali, to see if there is difference?

Either way, this is an unusual situation.

[kreacher212]

^I have tried bringing tali and legion (garrus died), and if i don't have tali in my final party she will always die in that cut scene... thanks for the suggestion though

[xScarecrowX]

Ok I have a problem and I'm kind of having a panic attack. I had an old save, so I lost an hours worth of gameplay, but If I can fix this, it will be worth it. I have two loyalty quest left to do, Samara's and Legion's. I think I have to do those, otherwise, they die during the final battle. The problem is, the collector's attack starts when I go to the map. Right now I'm on Omega. I was going to go do Samara's quest. Is there anyway to get everyone loyal at this point and save the entire crew? I'm crossing my fingers that there is.


** Ok, I'm playing this game on a lower difficulty setting. Does that change anything?

** Nevermind, I did it! Everyone lived! Go me!  Now, to go buy Arrival....

Modifié par xScarecrowX, 05 février 2012 - 05:42 .

[minininjasjhepardman]

They have to be loyal what I do when I make games is get as many loyal pepole as you can. Try doing the reaper iff last after you do all the loyalty missions you can do.

[NoMoreCalibrations]

I've always wondered about loyalties. How does loyalty help you survive when you take a bullet to the gut? The second time you go through doors, the leader of the second squad always take a hit to the gut, and I don't know what upgrade I did, but the leader never died no matter who they were.

[njmessy]

 Hi there.
Thanks for this.
I just finished ME2 for the first time and lost Mordin and Legion...so upset! How can that be a victory, right?
I figured there has to be something more to ensure your crew survive seeing as the cut-scenes seemed to suggest their fates were predetermined & unavoidable. Thank you for your info.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Weird. I went with a team of 5 that should have returned an average of 1.4 and it ended up giving me only one squad death instead of 2.
For reference it was:
Mordin (unloyal)
Samara (unloyal)
Legion (unloyal)
Garrus (loyal)
Tali (loyal)

thats' 7 divided by 5, yet mordin was the only one who fell. according to that chart it shoulda been mordin AND samara who ate it.  for further reference, zaeed died as escort, thane died at the final boss, and miranda was with me for the final boss. jack, kasumi, jacob, and grunt died during the mission leading up to that point.

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 14 février 2012 - 09:00 .

[berasco]

Ok will someone please help me with this.

I tried reading through all of this and it was too much and I got lost. I just have a easy question I need answered. How do I make sure I have everyones loyalty when it comes to the suicide mission?

I played the game and right near the end jack and miranada have a fight and all I could do is side with one or the other with no other options. But when it happened I had no other missions or anything but go through the relay and I couldnt get miranda back so she died when it was over.

I want a ME2 save where everyone lives for when part 3 comes out so Im playing it allover again. Can someone give me some suggestions on how to not muck it up again and waste all that time?

Do I need to do loyalty missions early or in a certain order or something?

Thanks

[Gexora]

berasco just don't do both Tali and Legions or Miranda and Jack's missions until you have very high Paragon or Renegade.
Oh, and also be careful with Zaeed's if you wish to save the workers.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Hmmm anyone know how to orchestrate so that Miranda and Jack survive and everyone else dies? I tried doing it myself but I don't get that averages thing on Hold the Line I get confused.cause I suck badly at math,

[Praetor Knight]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Hmmm anyone know how to orchestrate so that Miranda and Jack survive and everyone else dies? I tried doing it myself but I don't get that averages thing on Hold the Line I get confused.cause I suck badly at math,

I haven't tried myself yet, since I've preferred saving everyone, but check out the links here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/5855452/1#5855495