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[Barnox]

I've been wondering about how to, potentially, get to ME3 without 2 squadmates.

If you kill everyone off that you can, selling Legion and not waking Grunt, to end up with two of Thane/Kasumi/Zaeed/anyone else not in ME3 as a squad member, could you potentially end up saved, yet starting ME3 with only Vega as a possible squad member?

[RedCaesar97]

Barnox wrote...

I've been wondering about how to, potentially, get to ME3 without 2 squadmates.

If you kill everyone off that you can, selling Legion and not waking Grunt, to end up with two of Thane/Kasumi/Zaeed/anyone else not in ME3 as a squad member, could you potentially end up saved, yet starting ME3 with only Vega as a possible squad member?

No.
Vega, Liara, and the Virmire survivor (either Ashley or Kaidan) will be available as squadmates in ME3, plus EDI.

Potential ME3 squadmates Tali and Garrus can be dead and unavailable in ME3. Everyone else cannot be a squadmate in ME3 but will appear and can lend a hand.

[NeroonWilliams]

 Been playing through ME3 alot.  Wondering if the following combo is even possible to come out of the Suicide Mission: Jacob and Morinth.  I dub this combo as Team Worthless as it is the pair that contributes the least amount to the outcome of ME3 (Jacob just his War Asset, and Morinth just her Banshee cameo).

[The Devlish Redhead]

I used the guide and still Jack got toasted..... And she was loyal which makes me scratch my head in disbelief

[VirginBlack]

I found the following setup works for getting them all alive:

Tech Specialist: Kasumi (loyal)
Second Team Leader: Garrus (loyal)

Scort for the Normandy Crew: Mordin (loyal)
Biotic Specialist: Jack (loyal)
Second Team Leader: Miranda (loyal or not as she never dies)

For the Final Battle take Tali and Kasumi with you (both being loyal), leaving the rest to guard the door. Leaving characters with strong defence like Grunt, Thane and Garrus to guard the door along with the others will greatly improve the chances of even non-loyal squadmates to make it out alive.

Modifié par VirginBlack, 14 janvier 2013 - 11:34 .

[TheAlmightyFace]

I was wondering if it was possible to have Miranda die if she is loyal? I'd like to complete her storyline and have her die. I wouldn't like anyone else to die, except Kasumi or Zaeed.

[PsiFive]

Don't think so. Miranda has some pretty impressive plot armour so that she's quite hard to kill even when she's not loyal. If you got Mordin, Jack and Tali out of harm's way by making sure they're loyal and sending one back to escort the Normandy crew and taking the other two with you for the last fight then of the Hold The Line team then Miranda would be the second to die after Kasumi. But for that to happen you'd need a sufficiently weak Hold The Line squad to be sure that two team members die, which in turn means some of them must not be allowed to be loyal, and of course non-loyal characters always die before loyal ones.

No, sorry, I thought that might be a possibility but I can see now that it's not. Without running all the numbers I think loyal Miranda might be completely impossible to kill without quite a lot of other deaths beside the two you mentioned. Non-loyal is fairly straightforward and remembering that you can gain and then lose Miranda's loyalty by taking Jack's side in their argument you could do nearly all of Miranda's story short of her sleeping with Shepard. Do Jack's loyalty mission last, take her side against Miranda, go do the Suicide Mission and just send her back to the ship with the crew survivors and she should get killed on the way. Or take her with you in the last fight and she'll die there instead. If you want her romance with Shepard scene I think you're probably out of luck.

[TheAlmightyFace]

Damn. I was thinking that might be the case.
I was just looking to make my game a little different to the norm. I haven't gotten around to playing ME3 yet, and during my latest playthrough of 2, I realised that me and 2 of my housemates managed to choose Male Shepard Renegade Vanguards, Killed Kaidan, Saved Wrex, Killed the Council, chose Liara in ME1, Miranda in ME2 and saved EVERYONE in the last mission.

I just had the idea that to change it up, I would complete the romance with Miranda but have her die in the last mission. I'm not sure who else I'm comfortable with killing, but I've just got the IFF and ordered ME3 from Amazon so I suppose I'll have to choose soon.

[KeithJF82]

Miranda can die in ME3 depending on your choices (avoiding definite spoilers), even if she was loyal.

[DoodlyDangus]

Can someone make me a guide that leaves only the Paragon squadmates alive? I need this list for my self-righteous extremist Shepard after I finish my current run.

[HaloFan1500]

everybody survived so awesome

[NeroonWilliams]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

Can someone make me a guide that leaves only the Paragon squadmates alive? I need this list for my self-righteous extremist Shepard after I finish my current run.

Who do you consider Paragon?  I would consider the following to be from most Paragon to least: Samara, Thane, Tali, Mordin, Jacob, Garrus, Legion, Miranda, Kasumi, Grunt, Jack, Zaeed, Morinth (sorry Miranda lovers, she's just too pro-Cerberus in ME2 to raise her higher at this point of the story).

Choose your cutoff point and then find that scenario on page one of this thread.  Depending on how far down the list you consider Paragon, it may just be easiest to just look for the ones on the list you don't want to live and don't do their loyalty mission.

From the description of your Shepard to tailor this to, I'd say the best way to do it would be to start at the bottom and work your way up with the easiest way to kill them off.  I'll skip Morinth (both because she is automatically loyal and because she doesn't fit the Shepard description).  The easiest way to kill Zaeed is to do his loyalty mission AFTER the SM, save the factory workers and then leave him to die pinned under the beam.  It's so easy to kill Jack by just not upgrading the armor.  Let Grunt lead the second team while you go through the swarm (dead Grunt).  Send Kasumi into the vents with anyone leading the other team except a loyal Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob, and she will die.  Miranda is a tough nut to kill unless she isn't loyal; in which case, bring her with you to fight the Proto-Reaper.  I'll end this with Legion being very easy to "kill" by just letting Cerberus have him, but since this is an Ultra-Paragon Shepard, I might just not do his loyalty mission (easy enough to not even be given it), or lose his loyalty by siding with Tali and then have him play the escort.  All of this should leave you with these for the final confrontation:

Hold the line: Garrus, Zaeed (not loyal), Thane, Jacob, Samara, Tali.  Average defense of 2.333 and everyone survives.
Reaper Team: Mordin, Miranda (not loyal, dies).

[RedCaesar97]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

Can someone make me a guide that leaves only the Paragon squadmates alive? I need this list for my self-righteous extremist Shepard after I finish my current run.

Who do you consider Paragon?

Good question. Is there anyone on the crew that you can consider Paragon? All squadmates fit into a Renegade or morally grey area.

Samara: Possibly the only squadmate I can consider paragon, except that her code is black-and-white and the punishment for crime is typically "death", even if the crime can be considered "small". (Let's ignore the "is the such a thing as a small crime" debate.)

Jacob: Nice guy, could be considered Paragon. But then there is that whole "works for a terrorist organization" thing.

Garrus: Wants to do the right thing, fight for justice, defend the helpless--or failing that, kick back. Could be considered paragon, but on Omega was essentially just another gang leader since there is no law on Omega (and only one rule: Don't f--- with Aria). Also, "justice" to Garrus just means kill all the criminals. Also wants revenge which is not very Paragon.

Miranda: Not a nice person, works for a terrorist organization.

Kasumi: Thief.

Thane: Murders people for a living.

Grunt: Likes fighting and killing things. Like a typical Krogan.

Jack: Hardened criminal. Likes killing.

Zaeed: Killer for hire.

Mordin: Depends on your thoughts about the Genophage: Modified the genophage to ensure that Krogan birth rate remains low (1 in 1000), an ethically gray area.

Legion: Software.

Tali: Could be considered a Paragon, but is willing to cover up illegal expirements so her dead dad can save face. I suppose you could argue that she was thinking emotionally instead of rationally.

Morinth: Psycopath.

[BronzTrooper]

I don't get why when I played through with my first Renegade (Soldier. Had everyone's loyalty and all the needed upgrades) I still ended up losing Mordin. And when I took Mordin with me (Miranda as other squadmate I think) Tali died. My one friend said that he was able to get everyone to survive the suicide mission despite not having Jack's loyalty. He said that the only way to get everyone to survive is to bring Miranda and Kasumi to the final boss battle but on my first playthrough, were I had everyone survive, I brought Garrus and Tali with me. Can someone explain to me wtf happened to my game?

Modifié par Gamer072196, 15 février 2013 - 06:05 .

[RedCaesar97]

Gamer072196 wrote...

I don't get why when I played through with my first Renegade (Soldier. Had everyone's loyalty and all the needed upgrades) I still ended up losing Mordin. And when I took Mordin with me (Miranda as other squadmate I think) Tali died. My one friend said that he was able to get everyone to survive the suicide mission despite not having Jack's loyalty. He said that the only way to get everyone to survive is to bring Miranda and Kasumi to the final boss battle but on my first playthrough, were I had everyone survive, I brought Garrus and Tali with me. Can someone explain to me wtf happened to my game?

Did you even read the original post where it explains everything about the suicide mission?

[BronzTrooper]

RedCaesar97 wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

I don't get why when I played through with my first Renegade (Soldier. Had everyone's loyalty and all the needed upgrades) I still ended up losing Mordin. And when I took Mordin with me (Miranda as other squadmate I think) Tali died. My one friend said that he was able to get everyone to survive the suicide mission despite not having Jack's loyalty. He said that the only way to get everyone to survive is to bring Miranda and Kasumi to the final boss battle but on my first playthrough, were I had everyone survive, I brought Garrus and Tali with me. Can someone explain to me wtf happened to my game?

Did you even read the original post where it explains everything about the suicide mission?

Yes.  I just don't understand why when I brought Garrus and Tali everyone survived, but when I tried to get everyone to survive the second time someone ended up dying no-matter what.

[NeroonWilliams]

Gamer072196 wrote...

RedCaesar97 wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

I don't get why when I played through with my first Renegade (Soldier. Had everyone's loyalty and all the needed upgrades) I still ended up losing Mordin. And when I took Mordin with me (Miranda as other squadmate I think) Tali died. My one friend said that he was able to get everyone to survive the suicide mission despite not having Jack's loyalty. He said that the only way to get everyone to survive is to bring Miranda and Kasumi to the final boss battle but on my first playthrough, were I had everyone survive, I brought Garrus and Tali with me. Can someone explain to me wtf happened to my game?

Did you even read the original post where it explains everything about the suicide mission?

Yes.  I just don't understand why when I brought Garrus and Tali everyone survived, but when I tried to get everyone to survive the second time someone ended up dying no-matter what.

Who was your crew escort?  If it was a "heavy hitter" like Garrus, Grunt or Zaeed, that lowers the average for holding the line.  If I had to guess, on your first try you probably sent one of them back with the crew and took another with you to the final battle.  Mordin is the first to die and Tali is second, so if all you did to switch things up was to take Mordin with you to fight the Reaper, then BOOM, Tali dies.  I know it may be a lot to take in, but at least take a look at the flowchart at the start of this thread.  It's actually easier to keep everyone alive than to kill specific people off.

[BronzTrooper]

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

RedCaesar97 wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

I don't get why when I played through with my first Renegade (Soldier. Had everyone's loyalty and all the needed upgrades) I still ended up losing Mordin. And when I took Mordin with me (Miranda as other squadmate I think) Tali died. My one friend said that he was able to get everyone to survive the suicide mission despite not having Jack's loyalty. He said that the only way to get everyone to survive is to bring Miranda and Kasumi to the final boss battle but on my first playthrough, were I had everyone survive, I brought Garrus and Tali with me. Can someone explain to me wtf happened to my game?

Did you even read the original post where it explains everything about the suicide mission?

Yes.  I just don't understand why when I brought Garrus and Tali everyone survived, but when I tried to get everyone to survive the second time someone ended up dying no-matter what.

Who was your crew escort?  If it was a "heavy hitter" like Garrus, Grunt or Zaeed, that lowers the average for holding the line.  If I had to guess, on your first try you probably sent one of them back with the crew and took another with you to the final battle.  Mordin is the first to die and Tali is second, so if all you did to switch things up was to take Mordin with you to fight the Reaper, then BOOM, Tali dies.  I know it may be a lot to take in, but at least take a look at the flowchart at the start of this thread.  It's actually easier to keep everyone alive than to kill specific people off.

I usually send Thane to escort the crew (even on my first playthrough) but on my most recent playthrough I sent Kasumi and I ended up taking Legion and Tali with me to the Proto-Reaper and everyone survived.  I'm not sure who I brought with me the first time on my Renegade playthrough but it was before I got Zaeed.  I think I may have brought Grunt and Miranda but, as I said, I'm not sure.  And yes, I have looked through the chart several times and I do understand it.

[Taudrey]

If you sent kept grunt with you on the reaper-baby, that may be why. Even not loyal, he has one of the highest hold-the-line scores possible. Zaeed does as well. By not having those two hold the line (loyal or not), you dropped the average of that team fairly steeply.

[BronzTrooper]

Taudrey wrote...

If you sent kept grunt with you on the reaper-baby, that may be why. Even not loyal, he has one of the highest hold-the-line scores possible. Zaeed does as well. By not having those two hold the line (loyal or not), you dropped the average of that team fairly steeply.

I'm pretty sure that when I took Mordin with me the second time I brought Miranda too.  That playthrough was a while ago and I imported it too ME3 with Mordin dead.  That actually made it easier on my conscience when I had to kill Padok to prevent the Genophage from being cured (this was before I got ME1on PS3 and I didn't have the backstory DLC).

[Ham411]

Ok so i'm confused with how part of the final mission panned out for me this time. I've done 2 previous all survivors playthroughs.
I ballsed up in putting Grunt as the 2nd team leader so he took a bullet (not too big a problem as i planned to mess the krogan up in 3), checking back i realise he was a strong defender not a team leader.
I then took Garrus and Miranda in the final battle....yes, now realising that left only Zaeed with a high defence score. Tali died, but Joker still said that everyone is back on the ship during a short pan over what turn out to be Tali's legs. This is only confirmed by checking the squad status screen and isn't mentioned by anyone. What's with that?

[Andri83]

Thank you.
But I'm interested in one question. When will the full crack (with voice) on ME 2!?

Modifié par Andri83, 09 avril 2013 - 06:00 .

[xx5hatt3r3dxx]

My game got all screwed up to where I did every mission solo and everyone died. Even though i had all Normandy upgrades and everyone was loyal and i followed the chart

[SilJeff]

Can you do a Morinth and Mordin only survive guide?

[BJshepard]

For the suicide mission make sure everyone is loyal which for some may be a few tries. I one isn't loyal then that person will likely die, but can live if you don't pick them for tasks and the people you leave behind to hold the line carry a high enough defense. Grunt, Zaeed, and Legoin are the top three for defense since they will be the last to die which makes since.

For the vents, Tali, Mordin, or Kasumi are great unless not loyal. For the Long walk choose between Jack and Samara or Morinth. Make sure your squad leader is loyal, the good choices are Miranda, Garrus, and Jacob. Garrus and Jacob must be loyal for all sections but Miranda doesn't have to be loyal at the section for The Long Walk part, but you should still get her loyal anyway.