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[Ben20530]

Have just replayed me2, done all missions, all loyal, save all crew, legion in the vent, Miranda both fire team leader, samara with the barrier, Kasumi escort, mordin and tali with me in final battle. Never had a problem before but..

Every single time I get to the cutscene after you destroy the tubes someone gets nicked by a bullet and dies. To make it worse its usually garrus! Can't understand it, it there a glitch somewhere?

Help!

Edit:- Tried various combinations, keeping weaker characters in my team to raise defence, looked over the save in the editor and it appears correct, tried turning difficulty down to casual for hold the line mission, still lose someone for apparently no reason. The playthrough was on veteran setting. Really wanted a canon playthrough - but for this Shep that requires everyone survive!

Modifié par Ben20530, 21 juin 2013 - 03:19 .

[RedCaesar97]

Ben20530 wrote...
Every single time I get to the cutscene after you destroy the tubes someone gets nicked by a bullet and dies. To make it worse its usually garrus! Can't understand it, it there a glitch somewhere?

Are you talking about the cutscene where everyone holding the line is in a firefight with the Collectors? No one dies in that scene. If you watch closely, the squadmate trips and falls, but does not actually get shot. That is fine, as they are not dead in that scene, only down on the ground. It is only after you defeat the final boss where you either everyone holding the line survives, or you get a panaramic shot of anyone who died holding the line.

From what you wrote, everyone should survive holding the line.

[Ben20530]

It's the scene after you blow the tanks and drop the human reaper. There's also a conversation with TIM straight after it in which Shep notes not all his squad made it, and then chooses whether to destroy the base.

I have let it run to the end and the squadmate is indeed dead.

[Drussius]

I looked at the opening posts, and one combination of dual survivors seems to be missing entirely from the list. Does anyone know if it is possible to orchestrate it so that only Tali and Grunt survive? If so, how? I'm afraid I don't quite get the whole point system for holding the line. I mean... I get the concept, but I can't quite determine who would have to still be alive at that point and how they would have to be assigned to get the outcome I want.

[Teocolo]

Do it all wrong without giving Tali and Grunt any task and take them behind only against the human reaper

[RedCaesar97]

Ben20530 wrote...

It's the scene after you blow the tanks and drop the human reaper. There's also a conversation with TIM straight after it in which Shep notes not all his squad made it, and then chooses whether to destroy the base.

I have let it run to the end and the squadmate is indeed dead.

And you say everyone is loyal and and you gave everyone the proper tasks?

Ben20530 wrote...
Have just replayed me2, done all missions, all loyal, save all crew, legion in the vent, Miranda both fire team leader, samara with the barrier, Kasumi escort, mordin and tali with me in final battle. Never had a problem before but..

Yes, that looks correct. So something is really going wrong. And you are on PC, so that should not be a problem as I have never heard of this happening before.

And you said you tried various combinations. Is that just for the final battle or the entire suicide mission? If you have a pre-Suicide Mission save, then I recommend loading that and trying it again to see if that will fix the glitch.

If you have to, considering you are on PC, you could always play the suicide mission and then modding your game save to bring the squaddie back to life. Just a thought. The modding community may be able to help you with that last part.

[Ben20530]

I really don't get it, the only thing I did differently on this play through was leave the loyalty missions until I'd done everything else.

I'll check for a pre suicide mission save, don't know if I've got one as I started a new play through in frustration!

[onion926]

Wow, I wish I had found this earlier... Wound up losing Thane and Garrus both, which right about killed me. I was going to stick to my guns and play through ME3 with the suicide mission results I had originally, but I just can't do it. I'm redoing the suicide mission and starting over on ME3. It's too lonely without them.

[PR_]

Ok, i don`t get it, if i choose to leave Tali to hold the line, she will die? Or if i send her to the ship or bring her with me to the final boss, kasumi or jack will die? This is too confusing. Could someone help me pls?

[RedCaesar97]

PR_ wrote...

Ok, i don`t get it, if i choose to leave Tali to hold the line, she will die? Or if i send her to the ship or bring her with me to the final boss, kasumi or jack will die? This is too confusing. Could someone help me pls?

Assuming everyone is loyal, as long as you have at least two of your strongest defenders hold the line (any two of Garrus, Grunt, or Zaeed), then everyone should survive no matter who you take with you to the final fight,

[PR_]

RedCaesar97 wrote...

PR_ wrote...

Ok, i don`t get it, if i choose to leave Tali to hold the line, she will die? Or if i send her to the ship or bring her with me to the final boss, kasumi or jack will die? This is too confusing. Could someone help me pls?

Assuming everyone is loyal, as long as you have at least two of your strongest defenders hold the line (any two of Garrus, Grunt, or Zaeed), then everyone should survive no matter who you take with you to the final fight,

Oh, ok, everyone survived!

Thanks.

[Duncan199003]

I can't find where it is written how to get everybody + shepard dead. Maybe anybody do ?

[RedCaesar97]

Duncan199003 wrote...

I can't find where it is written how to get everybody + shepard dead. Maybe anybody do ?

The easiest way is to limit the number of squadmates you have. You need a minimum of 8 squadmates to trigger the Disabled Collector Ship mission, which upon completion will trigger the Reaper IFF mission, which after completion can trigger the Suicide Mission.

Required squadmates:
 - Miranda
 - Jacob
 - Mordin
 - Garrus
 - Jack

Optional squadmates (pick any three):
 - Grunt 
 - Kasumi (DLC)
 - Zaeed (DLC)
 - Tali
 - Thane
 - Samara


Do not do any loyalty missions.
Do not upgrade the Nomandy.
Recommend not activating Legion or give Legion to Cerberus. 
Your specialist choices during the Suicide Mission should not matter at this point since everyone would be unloyal and therefore crappy at their job. 

Remember:
 - You need 5 mission complete screens after Horizon to trigger the Disabled Collector Ship.
 - After completing the Reaper IFF mission, if squadmate loyalty missions remain uncompleted or some squadmates are not recruited yet, you will need to complete between 1 and 3 missions before the Suicide Mission will be triggered.

 ^ for the above, I recommend completing secondary missions since they are quick.

[YurigirlzCrush]

i'm not sure anyone pays attention to this thread anymore, but i'm having a hard time puzzling out the whole system to get a final result that's not listed in the two survivors list. does anyone know how to get just Tali and Morinth to survive? I've tried to work it out on paper a million times and can't seem to figure it out. (as a side note, i'd really like to do all the loyalty missions). i'll do Tali and Zaeed as my survivors if I have to, but would much prefer to import only Tali and Morinth as survivors to ME3

[RedCaesar97]

YurigirlzCrush wrote...

i'm not sure anyone pays attention to this thread anymore, but i'm having a hard time puzzling out the whole system to get a final result that's not listed in the two survivors list. does anyone know how to get just Tali and Morinth to survive? I've tried to work it out on paper a million times and can't seem to figure it out. (as a side note, i'd really like to do all the loyalty missions). i'll do Tali and Zaeed as my survivors if I have to, but would much prefer to import only Tali and Morinth as survivors to ME3

Okay, I believe this will work, BUT it requires that Chakwas and any remaining crew will survive *

* See the edit at the bottom for a way to kill the crew as well.

Prerequisites:
1) Zaeed unrecruited. Don't worry, you can still have him die after the suicide mission.
2) Legion unloyal. Gain Tali's loyalty, and side with Legion in their argument; do not attempt to regain his loyalty after the argument.
3) Miranda unloyal. Side with Jack in their argument, do not attempt to regain her loyalty after the argument)
4) Do not upgrade the ship.

Omega-4 relay:
1) Jack dies (no ship armor upgrade)
2) Kasumi dies (no ship shield upgrade)
3) Thane dies (no ship weapon upgrade)

Vents:
1) Choose Garrus for the vents. Garrus dies.
2) Choose unloyal Legion to escort the crew.   *

Biotic Bubble:
1) Choose Miranda to create the bubble.
2) Choose Grunt as the second fireteam leader.
3) Choose Jacob and Morinth as your squadmates.

Jacob and Grunt will die.
EDI will inform you that Legion died. NOTE: The crew will survive. Not sure if want the crew to survive or die. *

This should leave you the following squadmates:
- Miranda
- Tali
- Morinth
- Mordin

Hold the line:
1) Choose Mordin and Morinth to hold the line. Mordin will die. *
2) Take Miranda and Tali with you to the boss. Miranda will die. *

Post-mission:
1) Recruit Zaeed then start his loyalty mission.
2) On the loyalty mission, choose to save the workers, then at the very end, take renegade dialogue options and leave Zaeed to die on Zorya. 



* EDIT 1:
1) Send the crew back to the ship without an escort. They will die.
2) Have Mordin, Tali, and Morinth hold the line. Only Mordin should die, while Tali and Morinth survive.
3) Unloyal Miranda and unloyal Legion will die as squadmates at the final boss.

Modifié par RedCaesar97, 04 novembre 2013 - 12:45 .

[YurigirlzCrush]

ah! ty ty for the reply! i'll have to do that on another playthrough though because I already recruited Zaeed in my current run. still, I very much appreciate it. it's the hold the line part that really throws me when I try to figure it out on my own. I really don't understand the whole formula and who to leave and who to take with me and everything. so... thanks! copying this to a word file for easy access in my next playthrough!

[YurigirlzCrush]

quick note, in case the originator of the guide still pays attention to this thread. I did the Tali and Zaeed survivor scenario and followed it step by step. all loyalty missions completed, sided with Tali and Jack, scared away Morinth, no upgrades, no crew escort, Jacob in the vents, disloyal Samara as the biotic, Grunt as second fire team leader, disloyal Legion and Zaeed as final group, Tali, Mordin, Samara and Miranda holding the line... problem is, both Mordin and Tali survived holding the line.

I reloaded the mission from the beginning and played it again with the same results. so that one doesn't work. you end up with Tali, Zaeed and Mordin. just fyi.

[Kris009]

Looking for some help. I understand the flow chart but something's happening that shouldn't be. At the Hold the Line part I have 10 squad mates holding the line. The defense number I have is 15. So the average comes to 1.5 which means only Mordin should die but Kasumi dies as well. Here's my squad.

Grunt(3), Zaeed(3), LGarrus(4)
Thane(1), Miranda(1), Legion(1), Samara(1), Jacob(1)
Mordin(0), Kasumi(0)

With me is Loyal Jack and Loyal Tali. And I let the crew die. Can someone clarify why Kasumi's dying?

[themikefest]

Archmalitia wrote...

Looking for some help. I understand the flow chart but something's happening that shouldn't be. At the Hold the Line part I have 10 squad mates holding the line. The defense number I have is 15. So the average comes to 1.5 which means only Mordin should die but Kasumi dies as well. Here's my squad.

Grunt(3), Zaeed(3), LGarrus(4)
Thane(1), Miranda(1), Legion(1), Samara(1), Jacob(1)
Mordin(0), Kasumi(0)

With me is Loyal Jack and Loyal Tali. And I let the crew die. Can someone clarify why Kasumi's dying?

I would have to say you don't have enough loyal characters. So if you had 2 or even 3 loyal that might make a difference.

I know I did a playthrough with 9 holding the line with 4 not loyal and all survived

[Kris009]

themikefest wrote...

Archmalitia wrote...

Looking for some help. I understand the flow chart but something's happening that shouldn't be. At the Hold the Line part I have 10 squad mates holding the line. The defense number I have is 15. So the average comes to 1.5 which means only Mordin should die but Kasumi dies as well. Here's my squad.

Grunt(3), Zaeed(3), LGarrus(4)
Thane(1), Miranda(1), Legion(1), Samara(1), Jacob(1)
Mordin(0), Kasumi(0)

With me is Loyal Jack and Loyal Tali. And I let the crew die. Can someone clarify why Kasumi's dying?

I would have to say you don't have enough loyal characters. So if you had 2 or even 3 loyal that might make a difference.

I know I did a playthrough with 9 holding the line with 4 not loyal and all survived

Thanks I did Kasumi's loyalty mission which got Miranda killed but I can live with that.

[cap and gown]

Does that mean the Greater or Equal sign is wrong and it should be Greater? And the Less Than sign is wrong and it should be Less Than or Equal?

[Zyguy]

 Hey, I want a very specific playthrough of who lives and dies in my next ME2 Suicide mission. I think I've worked out most of the issues here but I'm mostly making sure this playthrough will work.

and let me mention again that it is very specific.

• I don't want any deaths due to lack of Normandy upgrades
• I want my kidnapped crew to try to walk home all by themselves
• I want to have the blood of Jacob, Zaeed, Kasumi, Grunt, Jack, and Garrus on my hands (this obviously isn't my main shep, heh heh)

Now it gets more specific. My gameplan is this, please tell me if I have holes.

• (L) Jacob volunteered for the vents, let us allow him this opportunity (dead)
• at the regroup, shep is a little upset, realizing this is a very dangerous mission he won't risk sending an escort assuming he's cleared a good enough path for Chakwas and the full crew to wander back to Joker.
• Shep suspects his fireteam leader is to blame, so he promotes his LI, Jack (L), to lead the other group. He can trust her.
• Shep realizes he needs a biotic. Miranda just lost an old collegue so she's out, perhaps a (L)Thane can help out.
• Shep takes two of his (uL) squadmates, Kasumi and Zaeed on the long walk. Kasumi is devoured by swarms.
• Shep regroups, his LI Jack dies in his arms "I wasn't supposed to care"
• Shep is done with the bull****, he only cares about himself being the one to kill the collector base and takes two of his strongest allies with him, (uL) Grunt and (uL) Garrus.
• leaving behind is HtL crew, he feels he's going to be okay with (uL) Zaeed, (L) Legion, (L) Miranda, (L) Mordin, (L) Samara, (L) Tali, (L) Thane
• after destroying the reaper hanging around, shep decides to blow up the base. Joker lets him know that Zaeed didn't make it, neither did the crewmates, but all else is well for us.
• Woops, human reaper wants shep's ass. Lets take him out. platform is falling apart, shep leaps out to grab the hand of his falling buddy, Garrus and he and Grunt tumble together. Waking up as the dust settles, shep runs to Grunt's side, he's dead. Garrus reaches a hand up to shep, he tries to help his oldest friend but he slips away. Shepard high tails it to his ship and Miranda (or anyone) catches him. Phew

Will this work for me?

TL;DR is this possible?

• Has all Normandy upgrades
• (L) Jacob dies in vents
• Crew dies unescorted
• Wrong (L) biotic with (uL) Kasumi and (uL) Zaeed
• (uL) Kasumi eated by swarms
• (L) Jack (love interest) dies as 2nd fireteam leader for shep to hear "I wasn't supposed to care"
• (uL) Garrus and (uL) Grunt to human reaper, both die
• HtL = (uL) Zaeed + (L) Legion, Miranda, Mordin, Samara, Tali, Thane -> leads in 1 (Zaeed) death
• Math check out? thanks

[cap and gown]

How could you possibly sacrifice Gabby? You monster! Sounds like your plan will work.

[themikefest]

@Zyguy

No I don't beleive so. Mordin will die regardless if he's loyal when having him hold the line. The only way for him to live is to nave him escort the crew or take him to fight the human reaper. Zaeed might live because he is one of three of the srongest squadmates and with the others loyal it would be hard for him to die.

A suggestion that might help(might not work) is to have Miranda with Thane and Zaeed that way it assures Zaeed die's. Miranda will never be taken by the swarms.

With Kasumi unloyal and holing the line she has a much better chance of dying than Zaeed. If she doesn't die( for some reason ) you have too many at the line to help her stay alive or you may want to have a couple of the other squadmates unloyal.

Modifié par themikefest, 12 janvier 2014 - 04:36 .

[Zyguy]

okay, but what about my HtL scores if Zaeed, Grunt, and Garrus are gone?
If Kasumi dies before mordin will, that's totally fine, I can always kill off Zaeed in his own loyalty mission.