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[AlanC9]

The last couple of days I wanted to see if I could have everyone survive with the fewest squadmates loyal. I know I needed at least 4 to be loyal. The vent, barrier, fireteam leader and escort.
 
I recruited everyone. Miranda, Mordin, Kasumi, Jack and Zaeed loyal the first time and Tali ended up dead while holding the line
 
I did another playthrough with Miranda, Tali, Jack, Kasumi and Mordin loyal only to have Jacob die while holding the line.
 
I reloaded an earlier save and did Jacob's loyalty mission. Now I have 6 loyal squadmates. This time Garrus died while holding the line. ok
 
I reloaded another earlier save and did Zaeed's loyalty mission. Now with 7 squadmates loyal, everyone survives

You were leaving the best possible squadto hold the line, right?

[themikefest]

You were leaving the best possible squadto hold the line, right?

Yes.

[themikefest]

A quick question trying to do renegade is it easier to just give Legion to Cerberus then cause if I wake him up I love him to much(let Ash do Wrex in it sucked so she stay with bomb!) Can you sell Grunt too or just not wake him? The thanks

You can give Legion to Cerberus if you choose. If you do that, it will show up during the Chronos mission in ME3 trying to kill Shepard. You can also leave the geth in the medbay and not activate it.

 

Grunt cannot be sold. Grunt does not have to be let out of the tank. No idea what happens to him if you choose to do that.

[cap and gown]

 

Grunt cannot be sold. Grunt does not have to be let out of the tank. No idea what happens to him if you choose to do that.

 

He just disappears from the game and you get Urdnot Dagg instead of Grunt on Uttuku

[themikefest]

He just disappears from the game and you get Urdnot Dagg instead of Grunt on Uttuku

I know that. I mean the tank itself with the krogan in it.

[We'll bang okay]

Is there a way that I can have everyone die But keep a loyal Miranda and a non loyal Zaeed  alive and survive the suicide mission 

[AlanC9]

The last couple of days I wanted to see if I could have everyone survive with the fewest squadmates loyal. I know I needed at least 4 to be loyal. The vent, barrier, fireteam leader and escort.
 
I recruited everyone. Miranda, Mordin, Kasumi, Jack and Zaeed loyal the first time and Tali ended up dead while holding the line
 
I did another playthrough with Miranda, Tali, Jack, Kasumi and Mordin loyal only to have Jacob die while holding the line.
 
I reloaded an earlier save and did Jacob's loyalty mission. Now I have 6 loyal squadmates. This time Garrus died while holding the line. ok
 
I reloaded another earlier save and did Zaeed's loyalty mission. Now with 7 squadmates loyal, everyone survives

I just ran the numbers on this. I hadn't realized how much of a liability Kasumi is. Not only is she worse-than-useless on the HTL segment herself, but she increases the number of squadmates holding the line, so if she's on the team you need two more loyalty mission points to reach 2.0. Without her you can do it with five loyal squadmates.

[themikefest]

Is there a way that I can have everyone die But keep a loyal Miranda and a non loyal Zaeed  alive and survive the suicide mission 

Do you want the crew to die? I'll give both options

 

this will be if the crew has no escort

 

Do not get upgrades for the Normandy

 

no armor - Jack dies

no shields - Legion is dead - to have this happen take Kasumi and anyone else not Legion to fight the oculus

no cannon - Thane is killed

send Garrus in the vent

have Miranda do the bubble - take Zaeed and Grunt - Grunt will be taken by the seeker swarms

have Samara be the 2nd fireteam leader. She will die

take Jacob and Tali to fight the reaper - both will die not being loyal

Miranda, Zaeed, Mordin and Kasumi hold the line - Miranda and Zaeed should survive and Mordin and Kasumi will die

 

If you want the crew alive by sending an escort, send Kasumi or Mordin back - Mordin or Kasumi will die

that means it will only be Zaeed, Miranda and Kasumi/Mordin holding the line - Kasumi/Mordin will die

[Monica21]

Does anyone know what determines which squadmate slides off the platform in the Collector Base? It seems like it's random to me but I'm sure there's something to it.

[cap and gown]

Does anyone know what determines which squadmate slides off the platform in the Collector Base? It seems like it's random to me but I'm sure there's something to it.

 

First squadmate picked. Will show up as the right-hand icon at the bottom of the screen.

[themikefest]

First squadmate picked. Will show up as the right-hand icon at the bottom of the screen.

If I remember correctly, the character icon on the left is the one that helps Shepard onto the Normandy.

[cap and gown]

If I remember correctly, the character icon on the left is the one that helps Shepard onto the Normandy.

 

There may be some variation here. In my last run, Miri was the one who fell over the side, and the one who picked up Shepard. Miri may have a priority.

[We'll bang okay]

Do you want the crew to die? I'll give both options

 

this will be if the crew has no escort

 

Do not get upgrades for the Normandy

 

no armor - Jack dies

no shields - Legion is dead - to have this happen take Kasumi and anyone else not Legion to fight the oculus

no cannon - Thane is killed

send Garrus in the vent

have Miranda do the bubble - take Zaeed and Grunt - Grunt will be taken by the seeker swarms

have Samara be the 2nd fireteam leader. She will die

take Jacob and Tali to fight the reaper - both will die not being loyal

Miranda, Zaeed, Mordin and Kasumi hold the line - Miranda and Zaeed should survive and Mordin and Kasumi will die

 

If you want the crew alive by sending an escort, send Kasumi or Mordin back - Mordin or Kasumi will die

that means it will only be Zaeed, Miranda and Kasumi/Mordin holding the line - Kasumi/Mordin will die

All right Thanks

[Fawna]

Do you want the crew to die? I'll give both options
 
this will be if the crew has no escort
 
Do not get upgrades for the Normandy
 
no armor - Jack dies
no shields - Legion is dead - to have this happen take Kasumi and anyone else not Legion to fight the oculus
no cannon - Thane is killed
send Garrus in the vent
have Miranda do the bubble - take Zaeed and Grunt - Grunt will be taken by the seeker swarms
have Samara be the 2nd fireteam leader. She will die
take Jacob and Tali to fight the reaper - both will die not being loyal
Miranda, Zaeed, Mordin and Kasumi hold the line - Miranda and Zaeed should survive and Mordin and Kasumi will die
 
If you want the crew alive by sending an escort, send Kasumi or Mordin back - Mordin or Kasumi will die
that means it will only be Zaeed, Miranda and Kasumi/Mordin holding the line - Kasumi/Mordin will die

Good to know going to book mark it thanks!!

[Monica21]

I didn't do Jack's loyalty mission at the right time, and lost her loyalty. I'm also not planning on doing Jacob's loyalty mission just because. How can I keep Jack alive and let Jacob die?

[themikefest]

I didn't do Jack's loyalty mission at the right time, and lost her loyalty. I'm also not planning on doing Jacob's loyalty mission just because. How can I keep Jack alive and let Jacob die?

Just have Jacob to the vent. He will die. Or if he's not loyal, take him to fight the baby reaper or have him be 2nd fireteam leader

 

For Jack. Make sure the Normandy has the armor upgrade. Don't use her that requires someone to be loyal. Don't take her to fight the baby reaper or send her back with the crew. Leave her to hold the line making sure there are enough squadmates that are loyal for her to survive

 

How many squadmates have been recruited and which one's are loyal? That would make it easier to know if Jack will survive

[Monica21]

How many squadmates have been recruited and which one's are loyal? That would make it easier to know if Jack will survive

 

Everyone is recruited except for Legion, and I'll get him. My plan was to have everyone but Jacob loyal, but that backfired with Jack.

[themikefest]

Everyone is recruited except for Legion, and I'll get him. My plan was to have everyone but Jacob loyal, but that backfired with Jack.

Just have Jacob in the vent. He will die.

 

Don't use Jack for anything. Keep her to hold the line. Send Mordin to escort the crew. Take Tali and Kasumi to fight the baby reaper. The rest to hold the line. Everyone should survive including Jack

[Monica21]

Just have Jacob in the vent. He will die.

 

Don't use Jack for anything. Keep her to hold the line. Send Mordin to escort the crew. Take Tali and Kasumi to fight the baby reaper. The rest to hold the line. Everyone should survive including Jack

 

Awesome. Thank you!

[geth47]

Actually, Mordin, Kasumi and Kasumi all have the same level of power in the hold the line segment. So you can just send anyone of them to protect the crew, and take the 2 remaining with you.

[HumanMawile]

I recently used your guide to do my suicide mission. This time around I was trying to kill as many as possible w/ all squad memebers loyal (I don't have Kasumi though) and all upgrades. As I planned, Thane died as my tech, Zaeed died as my second leader, Grunt got swept up by seeker swarms, Garrus was my escort, and Mordin died holding the line. However, my calculations told me that Tali would also die the way I set it up and according to your guide. However she survived. Now the math was close but it was less than a 1.5 average (5 people were holding the line). I used the ME2 calculator too and it confirmed your guide's and my math, and yet I check and Tali is still in my squad afterward.

 

Here was my full setup:

Tunnels - Thane

Leader 1 - Garrus

Biotic - Miranda

Squad - Grunt & Tali

Leader 2 - Zaeed

Final Squad - Legion and Samara

 

Any idea what I did wrong? Or is it randomness? I don't mind Tali being alive I'm just confused as to why she is when everything says she should be dead.

[themikefest]

I recently used your guide to do my suicide mission. This time around I was trying to kill as many as possible w/ all squad memebers loyal (I don't have Kasumi though) and all upgrades.

Having the upgrades makes it hard to have everyone die especially if they're loyal.

Try this.

Send Garrus through the vent. he will die
Have anyone, not Samara or Jack, do the barrier. Take Grunt and Tali with you. Grunt will be carried off by the seeker swarm.
have Zaeed be 2nd fireteam leader. He will die

Since you mentioned that you took Samara and Legion to fight the reaper, I will use those. Both will survive fighting the reaper.

Tali, Mordin, Jack, Jacob, Thane and Miranda are left to hold the line. Since you don't have enough to keep everyone alive, these squadmate will die in this order. Mordin, Tali, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, and Thane.

If you send someone to escort the crew back to the Normandy, I would send Thane. He will survive.

So it will be Mordin, Tali, Jack, Jacob and Miranda left to hold the line. If I had to guess, Mordin, Tali and Jack will die

So overall, you will have Thane, Miranda, Samara, Legion, and Jacob left alive.

Of course if you didn't have the upgrades for the ship, at least 2 would survive since both squadmates would survive fighting the reaper because both are loyal
 

As I planned, Thane died as my tech, Zaeed died as my second leader, Grunt got swept up by seeker swarms, Garrus was my escort, and Mordin died holding the line. However, my calculations told me that Tali would also die the way I set it up and according to your guide. However she survived. Now the math was close but it was less than a 1.5 average (5 people were holding the line). I used the ME2 calculator too and it confirmed your guide's and my math, and yet I check and Tali is still in my squad afterward.
 
Here was my full setup:
Tunnels - Thane
Leader 1 - Garrus
Biotic - Miranda
Squad - Grunt & Tali
Leader 2 - Zaeed
Final Squad - Legion and Samara

Mordin dying is correct, leaving enough score for the others to survive.
 

Any idea what I did wrong? Or is it randomness? I don't mind Tali being alive I'm just confused as to why she is when everything says she should be dead.

Follow what I posted above. What you want to do is put Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt in spots where they will be killed. They have the highest scores. Getting rid of them makes things easier

[HumanMawile]

Same deaths only Garrus dies instead of Thane according to the calculator. That shouldn't matter though, it's the same numbers present. As I said Garrus was my escort so he is not present to hold the line. Had those same people hold the line and Tali should die but didn't. I can't imagine the outcome would be different if I swtich those two. Also I'm not trying to kill everyone, just as many as possbile but Shepard could still be trying to do it right. Now are you saying that wehn someone dies the game recalculates the numbers beofer anotehr person dies? That would explain it (though not why the calculator is wrong).

[themikefest]

Same deaths only Garrus dies instead of Thane according to the calculator. That shouldn't matter though, it's the same numbers present.

I'm guessing Jack survived

 

Had those same people hold the line and Tali should die but didn't. I can't imagine the outcome would be different if I swtich those two.

Mordin will die first, then Tali and Jack. Try doing it the way I suggested to see what happens. If that doesn't work, I would ask what platform you're playing on. I play on the ps3 and sometime I don't get the results that the calculator says even though I have the squadmates that I want killed, killed
 

Also I'm not trying to kill everyone, just as many as possbile but Shepard could still be trying to do it right.

There's no way to kill everyone since you have upgrades for the ship and everyone is loyal
 

Now are you saying that wehn someone dies the game recalculates the numbers beofer anotehr person dies? That would explain it (though not why the calculator is wrong).

No. The reason Mordin, Tali and Jack would die is because they don't have an average score of 2 needed to survive. The others holding the line have 2 letting them survive. For them to survive, Grunt and Zaeed, or Grunt and Garrus or Garrus and Zaeed hold the line. Those 3 are worth 4 points when loyal. The extra points they have will give all squadmates an average of 2 letting everyone survive

[HumanMawile]

Okay then I understand correctly how it's supposed to work. Also I play on PC, Windows. And yes Jack survived I've already moved on to ME3 so it doesn't really matter anymore. I could still try it the way you suggest but the numbers come out the same just Garrus dies instead of Thane. Again, since Garrus was my escort there's not any reason the numbers should be any different since he is not present to hold the line. In fact they aren't different. My point is that the guide (& the calculator) may not take into account possible subtle randomness generated by the game, and if it exists (Which I actually doubt) it should be mentioned by Bioware or someone ought to find it. If it doesn't exist then we should figure out what is actually casuing it. If it's different platforms as you suggested, then we ought to figure out if there are consistant differences there as well.