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[themikefest]

I could still try it the way you suggest but the numbers come out the same

Try it the way I suggested to see what happens. The missions doesn't take long.
 

My point is that the guide (& the calculator) may not take into account possible subtle randomness generated by the game, and if it exists (Which I actually doubt) it should be mentioned by Bioware or someone ought to find it.

Make a thread about that. Write to Bioware. Play the suicide mission x number of ways and make your own calculator. How many times have you played the suicide mission? If its just the one time, I wouldn't worry about it.
 

If it doesn't exist then we should figure out what is actually casuing it. If it's different platforms as you suggested, then we ought to figure out if there are consistant differences there as well.

I'm not worried about it. Why don't you figure it out? Why does there have to be a we?

[HumanMawile]

Meant 'we' as in all of us Mass Effect players, not you and I. But you're right, I might do that if I get the chance. I played it this way only once if that's what you mean, but yeah I'll have to play it the same way several times. I'll report back if I find out anything.

[themikefest]

recruit MIranda, Garrus, Grunt, Jacob, Jack, Mordin, Kasumi and Zaeed

 

no shield upgrade

 

Miranda and Jack are the only one's loyal

 

- Kasumi died because no shields

- Jacob died volunteering for the vent

- Mordin died escorting the crew back

- Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt survive holding the line

- Miranda and Jack survive fighting the reaper

 

had I recruited Tali and not Kasumi, everyone would've survived. Tali would have the shield upgrade. I would do her loyalty mission so she survives the vent and escorting the crew back. Jacob and Mordin would survive holding the line along with Grunt, Garrus and Zaeed

[themikefest]

The Line held by Loyal Legion Zaeed Miranda samara and unloyal Mordin.

What I need to know is does loyalty save anyone on this list from my evil plan to kill them? As it will throw off the whole thing knowing now will save me from a meltdown.

Since Zaeed, Legion, Miranda and Samara are loyal, they will survive. Since those 5 add up to 10 points and for each squadmate to survive holding the line, they need an average of 2 or higher. So its a good possibility Mordin will survive as well

All the others you have listed will die.

[ZipZap2000]

Since Zaeed, Legion, Miranda and Samara are loyal, they will survive. Since those 5 add up to 10 points and for each squadmate to survive holding the line, they need an average of 2 or higher. So its a good possibility Mordin will survive as well

All the others you have listed will die.

I'll have to let Chakwas live and kill Mordin then. The calculator came up at 1.6 so I'll try it first and the other way if not.

Thanks Mike.

[themikefest]

I'll have to let Chakwas live and kill Mordin then. The calculator came up at 1.6 so I'll try it first and the other way if not.

Thanks Mike.

No problem

 

I'm guessing you will have Kasumi and Thane to fight the reaper at the end?

 

If you want Dr.Chakwas dead, do not get the thannix cannon upgrade. Thane will die. Play the mission the same as you posted except take Mordin to fight the reaper.

 

If Kasumi is not loyal she will die fighting the reaper as will Mordin since he's not loyal. So only Zaeed, Miranda, Samara and Legion will survive.

[ZipZap2000]

No problem

I'm guessing you will have Kasumi and Thane to fight the reaper at the end?.

Yup.

Only way I could get it the way I want it.

Thoroughly enjoying this Shepard.

[ZipZap2000]

No problem

I'm guessing you will have Kasumi and Thane to fight the reaper at the end?

If you want Dr.Chakwas dead, do not get the thannix cannon upgrade. Thane will die. Play the mission the same as you posted except take Mordin to fight the reaper.

If Kasumi is not loyal she will die fighting the reaper as will Mordin since he's not loyal. So only Zaeed, Miranda, Samara and Legion will survive.

Worked it out with a new drawing board.

Chakwas and Mordin can still both die if I leave a loyal Kasumi at the line and take disloyal Mordin to fight the reaper. Chakwas has no escort.

Thanks for pointing that out Mike.

[Monica21]

I know this has been asked a billion times but I can't find the answer. What determines who slides down the platform after fighting the proto-Reaper?

[themikefest]

I know this has been asked a billion times but I can't find the answer. What determines who slides down the platform after fighting the proto-Reaper?

Its who you choose first or second when choosing squadmates that go with Shepard to the end fight. It also determine which squadmate helps Shepard get in the Normandy. The one poster who may have a more specific answer would be cap and gown. He mentioned something about the icon on the screen showing the characters that are with Shepard. Whoever is on the left or right also determines who does what. But it goes back to who is chosen first or second

 

If you have a save before the end fight, choose two squadmate to see who the one is that slides down the platform for Shepard to help. Of if you have just before the mission, go from there. The mission doesn't take that long.

 

I might have to pay attention to that the next time I do the mission.

[cap and gown]

I am fairly certain that the squad mate you pick first is the one Shepard will catch. As to who pulls up Shepard onto the Normandy, I read recently that there is a priority order; that it does not depend on the order you pick the squad mates, but who they are.

[Monica21]

Thanks to both themikefest and cap and gown. I thought I'd get to this sooner, but you know, life and all. Anyway, I should be getting to it today, so I'll definitely pay attention.

[fraggle]

I am fairly certain that the squad mate you pick first is the one Shepard will catch. As to who pulls up Shepard onto the Normandy, I read recently that there is a priority order; that it does not depend on the order you pick the squad mates, but who they are.

 

Yeah, I think so too. I had Jack and Miranda with me at the end last time. Jack was picked first as she was my LI, and Shepard caught her. But it was Miranda then who caught Shepard and pulled him into the Normandy.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Yeah, I think so too. I had Jack and Miranda with me at the end last time. Jack was picked first as she was my LI, and Shepard caught her. But it was Miranda then who caught Shepard and pulled him into the Normandy.

 

That's interesting, I've honestly never thought about that.  I'll have to start manipulating it so that my LI or bestie will catch Shep.  

 

So I guess Miranda is higher up the pecking order than Jack then.  Still, it's neat that you could catch Jack when you're in a relationship with her.

[Monica21]

Its who you choose first or second when choosing squadmates that go with Shepard to the end fight. It also determine which squadmate helps Shepard get in the Normandy. The one poster who may have a more specific answer would be cap and gown. He mentioned something about the icon on the screen showing the characters that are with Shepard. Whoever is on the left or right also determines who does what. But it goes back to who is chosen first or second
 
If you have a save before the end fight, choose two squadmate to see who the one is that slides down the platform for Shepard to help. Of if you have just before the mission, go from there. The mission doesn't take that long.
 
I might have to pay attention to that the next time I do the mission.

 
 

I am fairly certain that the squad mate you pick first is the one Shepard will catch. As to who pulls up Shepard onto the Normandy, I read recently that there is a priority order; that it does not depend on the order you pick the squad mates, but who they are.

I took Garrus and Miranda to the chamber and chose Garrus first, and he was the one who fell down the platform. Miranda was still the one who grabbed me at the Normandy. I remember reading somewhere that Miranda was always a priority, but I can't figure out under what circumstances she won't help you up. Maybe if she survives but isn't loyal?

[themikefest]

 I took Garrus and Miranda to the chamber and chose Garrus first, and he was the one who fell down the platform. Miranda was still the one who grabbed me at the Normandy. I remember reading somewhere that Miranda was always a priority, but I can't figure out under what circumstances she won't help you up. Maybe if she survives but isn't loyal?

Try choosing her first to see if that makes a difference. If she isn't loyal and taken to fight the 3 eyed thing, she will die. If both squadmates die  while fighting the 3 eyed thing while Miranda holds the line, she might take priority. I don't know how its determined who would help Shepard up in that case. If one of the squadmates is killed fighting the 3 eyed thing, it will be the one that survived helping Shepard up.

[Monica21]

Try choosing her first to see if that makes a difference. If she isn't loyal and taken to fight the 3 eyed thing, she will die. If both squadmates die while fighting the 3 eyed thing while Miranda holds the line, she might take priority. I don't know how its determined who would help Shepard up in that case. If one of the squadmates is killed fighting the 3 eyed thing, it will be the one that survived helping Shepard up.

I actually just moved on to ME3, but from what I recall, I've chosen Miranda first or second and she's always been the one to pull me onto the Normandy. But, I've also always had a loyal Miranda.

[themikefest]

I actually just moved on to ME3, but from what I recall, I've chosen Miranda first or second and she's always been the one to pull me onto the Normandy. But, I've also always had a loyal Miranda.

I've had her fight the 3 eyed thing and hasn't helped Shepard every time. She has a couple of times, but I never paid any attention if she was chosen first or second.

[fraggle]

There is an old thread in which some guys already did some testing on this. You can find it here.

I find it interesting because one of the devs already seems to have commented back then that they didn't really consider a particular order for this part, but didn't deny that a certain order could be determined anyway. So there's still lots of squad combinations open in this, but it's still really interesting, and I will also continue to see if the combinations I pick match with the results in this thread.

[Monica21]

I just realized the link for the flow chart in the first post isn't working anymore. Anyone know why? I downloaded a copy awhile ago and could link it, but I don't want to if the creator didn't want it or if something from the flow chart is wrong.

[Monica21]

There is an old thread in which some guys already did some testing on this. You can find it here.
I find it interesting because one of the devs already seems to have commented back then that they didn't really consider a particular order for this part, but didn't deny that a certain order could be determined anyway. So there's still lots of squad combinations open in this, but it's still really interesting, and I will also continue to see if the combinations I pick match with the results in this thread.

Wow, that's a lot of work. Looks like it takes a lot to get Garrus to pull you onto the Normandy.

[kalasaurus]

Wow, that's a lot of work. Looks like it takes a lot to get Garrus to pull you onto the Normandy.

 

It appears so... I'm determined to make it happen, though 

[Vazgen]

Will Shepard die if there are only two non-loyal squadmates and both are taken to face the Reaper?

[kalasaurus]

Will Shepard die if there are only two non-loyal squadmates and both are taken to face the Reaper?

 

If at least two squadmates survive to hold the line (and the escort), Shepard will survive.  You only need two squadmates to survive the Suicide Mission for Shepard to live (and one will pull Shepard up onto the Normandy).  Otherwise, Joker has to try to save Shepard, and well...

[PoliteHanar]

I just realized the link for the flow chart in the first post isn't working anymore. Anyone know why? I downloaded a copy awhile ago and could link it, but I don't want to if the creator didn't want it or if something from the flow chart is wrong.

 
That chart really is useful.
What is everyone else here using to calibrate calculate the outcome?
 

Since Zaeed, Legion, Miranda and Samara are loyal, they will survive. Since those 5 add up to 10 points and for each squadmate to survive holding the line, they need an average of 2 or higher.
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I'll have to let Chakwas live and kill Mordin then. The calculator came up at 1.6 so I'll try it first and the other way if not.

Thanks Mike.