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[LordPennlocke]

Haha, thanks Mesina. Nothing that a media player cannot fix though



The first time I played through the only time a squaddie died was from choosing the wrong biotic. Damn Miranda and her theories =P

[Labrev]

LOL. Kudos on the "worst possible playthrough" thing. I've had that in the back of my head, to make my femshep the most evil little girl possible with the intent of making the galaxy a giant battefield of chaos. The Reapers must die only because I want to destroy the galaxy myself --kinda thing.

I don't think your Shepard is going to be "lonely" though. Obviously they put the rule in place that Shepard would die if only 1 or no squadmates remain because you have to have a squad of 3 to play ball. If you kept only Morinth and Kasumi, that's probably going to be your team.

I see a few fatal flaws in Ecael's run though. ME1 - let Balak get away instead, allow Helena Blake to run the mob, keep Fist's dumbarse alive.

For ME2 I'm going to skip some missions outright. Will not recruit Garrus, my femshep is vocally anti-Turian, let him die on Omega and let the mercs take back control. Skip Miranda's mission, let her father get Oriana. Skip Kasumi - let Hock crack the greybox. Skip Zaeed's mission or let Vido get away and kill him. Sell Legion to Cerberus (that might just be dumber than giving them the Collector base). Kill Samara for Morinth.

Only teammates I'm keeping for sure are Grunt and Morinth. Maybe Miranda, maybe Zaeed, maybe Kasumi - but my plan doesn't allow for those three to be loyal though.

Seriously, Bioware better be smart about how they conclude the series. A playthrough like this better not be able to end peacefully. That's my only real core issue with the Mass Effect games, so many problems have easy-button solutions.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 21 février 2011 - 05:28 .

[Labrev]

Double post.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 21 février 2011 - 05:28 .

[maitreikrit2]

my own version of man power  (all man loyaulty  no  woman's loyaulty only Miranda ) with Légion :


upgrade normandy  : only thanix, death jack/kasumi
fight Oculus : légion/garrus
vents : legion --> team leader garrus  :  all alive
biotic miranda : team tali/zaeed -->  tali died 
team leader distraction : samara : died
escort crew : Mordin

[jamiestrong]

i did in that order but tali still died when you have to close the doors :/

[MorrigansFriend]

I played the game without looking at anything and all mine survived



Tali in vents.

Garrus as leader 1

Jack as Biotic barrier

Miranda as leader 2

Thane to escort survivors



Mordin and Tali in my party

worked for me

[didymos1120]

jamiestrong wrote...

i did in that order but tali still died when you have to close the doors :/

Then either she or the team leader wasn't loyal.

[Kuggen]

I was so sure Mordin should have the highest chance of surviving in the vents. Nobody knows more about the collectors, what to avoid when it comes to them and how to handle them. He is intelligent and quick, has experience with dangerous environments and the technical expertise to get the job done.

My other mistake was that when the crew got kidnapped and I had a long list of missions left to do I assumed the trade off between saving the crew on one hand by going straight to the end and saving squad members on the other hand by taking time to make them loyal and prepared was inevitable. Until I read it's possible to avoid losing anyone at all the crew was a necessary and acceptable sacrifice to make sure the squad was prepared.

Modifié par Kuggen, 24 février 2011 - 10:26 .

[Pacifien]

For most of the lists, loyalty is not an issue. Regardless of whether Jack is loyal to you or not, she will die if you fail to upgrade the ship's armor. And even if Kasumi is loyal while Legion is not, she still dies before he does if you fail to upgrade the shields.

The only times loyalty are an issue are if you need to pick someone for a specialist role or when you leave someone behind at the end to defend the door (to "Hold the Line"). Specialists need to be loyal to succeed while nonloyal squadmates die before loyal ones during the defense. For instance, a nonloyal Tali will die before a loyal Mordin when they hold the line.

I think I see people most commonly ask about loyalty when it comes to the seeker swarm deaths. People assume loyalty matters when it comes time for the seeker swarms to carry one of your squadmates off, but it doesn't. If your biotic specialist fails, whoever is first on the priority list is going to get carried away even if they're loyal.

Modifié par Pacifien, 24 février 2011 - 07:48 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

Kuggen wrote...

I was so sure Mordin should have the highest chance of surviving in the vents. Nobody knows more about the collectors, what to avoid when it comes to them and how to handle them. He is intelligent and quick, has experience with dangerous environments and the technical expertise to get the job done.

My other mistake was that when the crew got kidnapped and I had a long list of missions left to do I assumed the trade off between saving the crew on one hand by going straight to the end and saving squad members on the other hand by taking time to make them loyal and prepared was inevitable. Until I read it's possible to avoid losing anyone at all the crew was a necessary and acceptable sacrifice to make sure the squad was prepared.

I can understand but still, Mordin is more of a doctor - biologist than a hacker - tech expert.

Modifié par Da_Lion_Man, 24 février 2011 - 07:03 .

[I will kill you both]

jamiestrong wrote...

i did in that order but tali still died when you have to close the doors :/

Loyalty matters...er did you scar her "emotionally"?  I did it on purpose on my second playthrough and she died by herself! Didn't even have to choose her.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Am i right in calculating that if u choose the wrong choices in everthing, you only just lose all the squaddies.
IF zaeed survives loyalty, you have one squaddie after the suicide mission.

Seems very easy for everyone to live O_O

Loyal miranda can never die right?

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 26 février 2011 - 11:14 .

[I will kill you both]

She could if she comes with you while you chose...Jacob (lol) as your biotic shield. She will get taken away.

[I will kill you both]

maitreikrit2 wrote...

my own version of man power  (all man loyaulty  no  woman's loyaulty only Miranda ) with Légion :


upgrade normandy  : only thanix, death jack/kasumi
fight Oculus : légion/garrus
vents : legion --> team leader garrus  :  all alive
biotic miranda : team tali/zaeed -->  tali died 
team leader distraction : samara : died
escort crew : Mordin

Did you kill em off on purpose?
Change Jack or Samara for Miranda in biotic and they will live
Team Leader to Jacob/Miranda or Garrus and they will live kinda stupid puttin a loner warrior as a team leader.

[Peterrrrr]

Pacifien wrote...
Every squadmate brings a value to the defense and they get a +1 bonus if they're loyal. To calculate the Hold the Line Average Score, we add the values for each squadmate who is being left to Hold the Line and then divide that total by the number of squadmates at the battle. Using this average, you can determine how many squadmates are going to die (if any) while they Hold the Line. How many squadmates are at the defense will alter what average is needed to meet different death rate requirements.

Ensuring everyone's survival is all about meeting the proper defense score average. This average is 2.0.

Point Value Ratings - Squad of 5 or more
2.0 or higher = [Survived!]
     Less than 2.0, Greater than or equal to 1.5 = [Death] 1 squadmate
     Less than 1.5, Greater than or equal to 0.5 = [Death] 2 squadmates
     Less than 0.5 = [Death] 3 squadmates


Combinations of 4
2.0 or higher = [Survived!]
     Less than 2.0, Greater than 1.0 = [Death] 1 squadmate
     Equal to or less than 1.0, Greater than or equal to 0.5 = [Death] 2 squadmates
     Less than 0.5 = [Death] 3 squadmates
     Exactly 0.0 = [Death] All squadmates (Only in a "Shepard dies" scenario.)


Combinations of 3
2.0 or higher = [Survived!]
     Less than 2.0, Greater than or equal to 1.0 = [Death] 1 squadmate
     Less than 1.0, Greater than 0.0 = [Death] 2 squadmates
     Exactly 0.0 = [Death] All squadmates


Combinations of 2
2.0 or higher = [Survived!]
     Less than 2.0, Greater than 0.0 = [Death] 1 squadmate
     Exactly 0.0 = [Death] All squadmates


Power of 1
2.0 or higher = [Survived!]
     Less than 2.0 = [Death]


Note: At least one person always survives Holding the Line unless the average is 0 or they're the only defender with a value less than 2.0. If the one person who survived Holding the Line is the only surviving squadmate from the whole mission, the game will play it as if everyone had died. This is because you need at least 2 surviving squadmates for Shepard to live.

I have a little difficult to understand this one

[I will kill you both]

What's so difficult in choosing the right people 5 times (different "jobs") and doing the loyalty missions? You can screw up when you want somebody to die...so ???

[Pacifien]

Peterrrrr wrote...
*snip Hold the Line section*

I have a little difficult to understand this one

Since I wrote it, I'm going to need more than a statement that it's difficult to understand in order to help me rewrite it. It was also separated from the rest of the guide for a reason, as it's specifically written for people interested in knowing how to manipulate that section of the mission to create a particular outcome. So if this is your interest, I need to know where the description failed. If this is not your interest, I need to know how number 5 of this section fails.

[Pacifien]

I will kill you both wrote...

She could if she comes with you while you chose...Jacob (lol) as your biotic shield. She will get taken away.

As far as I know, there is no way to get Miranda taken by the seeker swarms unless you glitch the system. She doesn't even have any screams recorded for that section like every other squadmate. Just because Jacob is the biotic shield, the method in which squadmates are taken still follow the priority listed from number 2 of this section of the guide. Miranda, you may note, is not listed. You want a loyal Miranda to die, you need to kill everyone else first.

[I will kill you both]

This is before the first patch right?

[I will kill you both]

You know Mr. Raccoon you are right! My Miranda has never died...loyal or otherwise. WTF? 6 walkthroughs and no Miranda deaths?

[landis963]

Is it possible to have only one squad member survive?

EDIT: nvm, just checked the flowchart.  Although that seems like a strangely railroad-esque plot turn, IMO.  Why not just have Mordin teleport to the airlock at the end?

Modifié par landis963, 01 mars 2011 - 09:12 .

[Peterrrrr]

Pacifien wrote...

Peterrrrr wrote...
*snip Hold the Line section*

I have a little difficult to understand this one

Since I wrote it, I'm going to need more than a statement that it's difficult to understand in order to help me rewrite it. It was also separated from the rest of the guide for a reason, as it's specifically written for people interested in knowing how to manipulate that section of the mission to create a particular outcome. So if this is your interest, I need to know where the description failed. If this is not your interest, I need to know how number 5 of this section fails.

I havent realy understand what this is about, maybe its my understanding of english Is it something that is only about the last mission or is it something that you can you in other earlier missions that affects the last mission?

[Cyberfrog81]

When it says e.g. "combinations of 4" it means there are four team members holding the line.
If that's not the case for you, that rule doesn't apply, another rule applies instead.

You may not even need the information, so don't get all stressed out over it.