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[Mwames]

Thanks a lot, Pacifien! I want to make sure I catch Tali and Garrus helps me out...

[brightblueink]

Okay, NOW I understand why Mordin died in my game! I was really confused by the "Hold the Line" sequence, but i get it now. I'm actually happier knowing it was a mistake on my part rather than a glitch...thank you!

[Whitering]

Holy crap, fantastic chart and summaries, thanks to everyone who contributed.

[Crimmsonwind]

Holy balls of fire that is one fantastic guide. Well done, everybody.

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

On the last play through I did; I used the exact same formula that I have been using for everybody to survive the final mission, to have have it fail on me. I got the "Rocket to the face" Tali death. At that point I was like....what the heck just happened!?!??! Even though i used the same thing I have been using she still died. So after a while of complaining, I decided it was for the best to have a different story for ME3.

[StokedUp]

Alright guys, I just want to ask. Im about to start the suicide mission but will I want to do the LOTSB DLC before i start it but will all my crew survive who have been took by the collectors?

[Cyberfrog81]

Reports vary, but I wouldn't be surprised if you lose half the crew.

In my opinion doing LotSB before the suicide mission can make sense, but not that late in the game... But "it's just my opinion though", you can do what you want.

[Fairhammer]

Stupid question solved by googling

Modifié par Fairhammer, 15 mars 2011 - 06:30 .

[Commander_Adept]

I loved the suicide mission, but I wish there were more ways to kill your squad. Specific ways, varying on each squadmate. I don't have any examples or anything but Legion getting shot in the stomach-area bothers me, even though I know that that could probably kill him, he can't do with too many more holes in his body.

[george martin]

Woooooops, I didn't really think that doing some extra missions and stuff before I went through the Omega Relay would impact how many of the kidnapped crew survives. My entire squad survived the collector station just fine, I'll have to replay the ending to save more of the crew, only the Dr. survived lol, I thought I messed up when I only got her out of that nightmare station.

[ShadowSplicer]

Here is a specific outcome that I ran through, posted here for you guys:

Survivors: Commander Shepard, Entire Crew, Garrus Vakarian, Tali'Zorah vas Normandy, Grunt, Jack, Mordin Solus, Thane Krios, Kasumi Goto, Legion, and Miranda Lawson.
Casualties: Jacob Taylor, Samara, and Zaeed Massani.

Alignment: Paragon Shepard
Loyalty Missions: All Loyalty missions complete before activation of Reaper IFF, but did not earn back Zaeed's loyalty through dialogue. Sided with Jack during the loyalty struggle, won back Miranda's loyalty through dialogue. Peacefully got through Legion and Tali's struggle.
Normandy Upgrades: All Normandy upgrades purchased (hooray for not looking like an idiot on The Approach).
The Vents: Send Loyal Jacob through the Vents, this will result in his death by missile at the door.
First Fireteam Leader: Loyal Miranda. (Doesn't matter, but I chose her to show her that I do still respect her as a member of my team... I know, that's a bit extreme, but it makes sense in the story doesn't it? Also adds for dramatic effect when it is Jacob who dies under her protection.)
Biotic Barrier: Loyal Jack. Nobody dies.
Second Fireteam Leader: Loyal Samara. Samara dies leading the second fireteam.
Crew: All of the Crew survives, due to not doing any missions upon activation of the Reaper IFF.
Escort: Loyal Grunt escorts the crew back to the Normandy, he and the crew survive.
Final Battle: Take Loyal Garrus and Loyal Tali, both survive (having both ME1 squadmates really makes the Final Battle a throwback, especially since I had those two with me for the final battle in Mass Effect 1).
Hold The Line:
Disloyal Zaeed 3
Loyal Legion 2
Loyal Thane 2
Loyal Miranda 2
Loyal Kasumi 1
Loyal Jack 1
Loyal Mordin 1
Hold The Line Score: 12 divided by 7 which = 1.7... So Zaeed is the only casualty of Holding The Line.
And so there you have it! Again, final result will be:
Survivors: Commander Shepard, Entire Crew, Garrus Vakarian, Tali'Zorah vas Normandy, Grunt, Jack, Mordin Solus, Thane Krios, Kasumi Goto, Legion, and Miranda Lawson.
Casualties: Jacob Taylor, Zaeed Massani, and Samara.

Hope this is helpful!

Modifié par ShadowSplicer, 21 mars 2011 - 04:10 .

[grimmer77]

Is it just me or can Miranda not die?

[cactusberry]

All of my team survived, but 50% of my crew survived. Oops. It was my first playthrough though (only recently got this game) so I think I did pretty good. I accidentally did a mission before the Omega 4-relay.

[Spruebox]

grimmer77 wrote...

Is it just me or can Miranda not die?

I think it's very hard to kill her before Hold the Line, but you can kill her.  I just beat the suicide mission tonight  (with an experiment in mind) and these were my results (and how I got them):

Survivors: Shepard, Zaeed and Mordin

Loyalty Missions Done: Zaeed and Mordin
Legion: Sold to Cerberus (easiest way for me to get the results I wanted and my evil character wanted the creds)

Fully Unupgraded Ship Killed: Jack, Tail (I took Kasumi to fight eye thingie, but in the end, shouldn't matter who dies there), and Thane
Vents: Jacob (dies)
1st Fire Team Leader: Grunt
Biotic: Miranda (team w/me is Zaeed and Grunt...Grunt dies)
2nd Fire Team: Samara (dies)
Survivor Escort: Garrus (dies)
Hold the Line: Zaeed and Mordin (don't laugh...Mo won't die)
Brought to Final Boss: Kasumi and Miranda (both die because not loyal...my Shep got pulled into the ship by Zaeed)

So that's how I finally made sure Miranda died.  Not loyal and taken on final boss fight = death (a fact that took me three ending playthroughs to get, but once I did, I got the results I wanted  ).  

Good luck taking out Miranda :-p

[aimlessgun]

Hrm my friend got Mordin killed but the math in the OP disagrees with the result. Left Zaaed, Grunt, Thane, Legion, Samara, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Mordin, Kasumi, which is 4+4+2+2+2+2+2+1+1+1 = 21, divided by 10 characters = 2.1 avg. Yet Mordin died.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Spruebox wrote...

grimmer77 wrote...

Is it just me or can Miranda not die?

I think it's very hard to kill her before Hold the Line, but you can kill her.  I just beat the suicide mission tonight  (with an experiment in mind) and these were my results (and how I got them):

It is not difficult, but impossible to the extent they game will 'cheat' her into survival. She must be disloyal and can only die during Hold the Line and against the Baby-Reapminaotr. If she is loyal, she cannot be killed.

Fun Fact #1: If you mod your file to force Miranda to be devoured by the Seeker Swarms. She will Lazarus herself back for the next scene.

Fun Fact #2: If you successfully kill Miranda however have neglected Jacob's loyalty mission. Upon completion, she will appear in the scene afterwards as normal despite being dead.

aimlessgun wrote...

Hrm my friend got Mordin killed but the math in the OP disagrees with the result. Left Zaaed, Grunt, Thane, Legion, Samara, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Mordin, Kasumi, which is 4+4+2+2+2+2+2+1+1+1 = 21, divided by 10 characters = 2.1 avg. Yet Mordin died.

I have heard of an odd glitch where the game randomizes the death probability and may kill Mordin despite meeting the required variables. This can be rectified by sending Mordin to accompany the crew back to the Normandy or simply replaying the mission and trying again. I advise leaving Garrus behind as well.

This is of course presuming you are certain your friend had all their loyalties.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 29 mars 2011 - 11:51 .

[SierraGHOSTN7]

Well, I did the suicide mission twice so far. For the first time (when I played the game for the 1st time) Mordin and Tali (my mistake, cuz I wanted to choose someone else and I accidentally chose her) died. Then all members survived, but I just replayed the suicide mission, not played the second time.
Yeah, I bought the game not long ago...

[Pacifien]

aimlessgun wrote...
Hrm my friend got Mordin killed but the math in the OP disagrees with the result. Left Zaaed, Grunt, Thane, Legion, Samara, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Mordin, Kasumi, which is 4+4+2+2+2+2+2+1+1+1 = 21, divided by 10 characters = 2.1 avg. Yet Mordin died.

Ask your friend whose loyalty he lost.

[Spruebox]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

It is not difficult, but impossible to the extent they game will 'cheat' her into survival. She must be disloyal and can only die during Hold the Line and against the Baby-Reapminaotr. If she is loyal, she cannot be killed.

Fun Fact #1: If you mod your file to force Miranda to be devoured by the Seeker Swarms. She will Lazarus herself back for the next scene.

Fun Fact #2: If you successfully kill Miranda however have neglected Jacob's loyalty mission. Upon completion, she will appear in the scene afterwards as normal despite being dead.

Oops didn't realize you couldn't kill her at all before that.  Man...she's got some mega awesome survivability!    I wonder if I could steal that from her for my Shepard?  :-p

[aimlessgun]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...
I have heard of an odd glitch where
the game randomizes the death probability and may kill Mordin despite
meeting the required variables. This can be rectified by sending Mordin
to accompany the crew back to the Normandy or simply replaying the
mission and trying again. I advise leaving Garrus behind as well.

This is of course presuming you are certain your friend had all their loyalties.

Interesting.

Pacifien wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...
Hrm my friend got Mordin killed but the math in the OP disagrees with the result. Left Zaaed, Grunt, Thane, Legion, Samara, Jacob, Miranda, Jack, Mordin, Kasumi, which is 4+4+2+2+2+2+2+1+1+1 = 21, divided by 10 characters = 2.1 avg. Yet Mordin died.

Ask your friend whose loyalty he lost.

He swears they were all loyal with the orange circle under them and everything. 

[Pacifien]

aimlessgun wrote...

He swears they were all loyal with the orange circle under them and everything.

I'd like to see a screenshot or photo of the squadmate screen. Doing all the loyalty missions doesn't necessarily mean having everyone's loyalty. I might sound like an ass about it, but I firmly don't believe in the idea of a random death scenario considering I've run the suicide mission hundreds of times and randomness never was a factor. No one's been able to prove it in any case.

[Dmasterman]

QUESTION: How is it that some people have managed to have their Shepard survive the Suicide mission with just ONE team mate?

[Pacifien]

Dmasterman wrote...

QUESTION: How is it that some people have managed to have their Shepard survive the Suicide mission with just ONE team mate?

They don't.

Planet_Side wrote...

Which characters (Ken,gabby, Kelly, Rupert) survive if you save half of the crew?

Ken lives. Gabby, Kelly, and Rupert die. Crewman Patel and Rolston are the two crew members in the crew quarters talking about Rolston's daughter, and it's Patel who lives while Rolston dies. Crewman Hawthorne and Goldstein are the two crew members in the mess, and both of them will die. I don't know why I know this.