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[didymos1120]

Miranda's not an escort option.

[faeriehunter]

Danzick wrote...

 It seems that no matter what I do, either Tali or Legion will die. They are both unloyal since I wasted my spare mission on "N7: Mining the Canyon" after the Reaper IFF. If I send either as a tech specialist ... they die (according to the chart).

If that's the case, I suppose I will let Legion take the fall. Unless there is any way I can save them both? I have neither Kasumi or Zaeed.

Lesson learned that I shouldn't play with a single save. This sucks.

I'm sorry to say that in the situation you described the only way to save them both is to delay the suicide mission in order to do at least one of their loyalty missions, causing the death of some of the Normandy crew. But that might actually be better than letting either of them die, since both their loyalty missions give the impression that they will have a profound effect on ME3. I recommend doing both missions on a separate save before you decide who lives and who dies.

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Is taking miranda nonloyal to the final boss fight the only way to kill her...or is there another way?

As mentioned before she cannot be chosen as an escort, but a nonloyal Miranda can die in the Hold the Line section (nonloyal squad members die before loyal ones).

Modifié par faeriehunter, 10 mai 2011 - 09:05 .

[Prince of Kemet]

faeriehunter wrote...

Danzick wrote...

 It seems that no matter what I do, either Tali or Legion will die. They are both unloyal since I wasted my spare mission on "N7: Mining the Canyon" after the Reaper IFF. If I send either as a tech specialist ... they die (according to the chart).

If that's the case, I suppose I will let Legion take the fall. Unless there is any way I can save them both? I have neither Kasumi or Zaeed.

Lesson learned that I shouldn't play with a single save. This sucks.

I'm sorry to say that in the situation you described the only way to save them both is to delay the suicide mission in order to do at least one of their loyalty missions, causing the death of some of the Normandy crew. But that might actually be better than letting either of them die, since both their loyalty missions give the impression that they will have a profound effect on ME3. I recommend doing both missions on a separate save before you decide who lives and who dies.

Prince of Kemet wrote...

Is taking miranda nonloyal to the final boss fight the only way to kill her...or is there another way?

As mentioned before she cannot be chosen as an escort, but a nonloyal Miranda can die in the Hold the Line section (nonloyal squad members die before loyal ones).

Thanx for the info.....I'll put it to good use

[ReallyRue]

I took this from the 'Girl Power' link in the first posts, but I want to tweak it so Legion survives along with the women. If I upgrade the shields, so Legion doesn't die en-route, and then leave it at the Hold the Line bit (non-loyal) with Jack, Tali, Kasumi and Mordin, (taking Miranda and Samara with me) will Mordin still die? Or will five people holding the line ensure Mordin's survival, even without him loyal?

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Final Squadmates: Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Tali, Samara (Girl power!)
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Loyals: Jacob, Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Kasumi, Thane, Jack, Legion, Miranda, Tali, Samara
Non-loyals: Zaeed
Normandy Upgrades: Silaris Heavy Ship Armor (Jack survives)

Before the Omega-4 Relay
-You MUST resolve the Jack/Miranda argument successfully
-Side with Tali during the Tali/Legion argument
-Bring Kasumi and Tali to fight the Oculus (so Legion dies)

Assignments
Vents - Jacob (dies)
Fire Team Leader - Any
Biotic - Miranda (bring Tali and Garrus, make sure Garrus dies)
Second Fire Team Leader - Grunt (dies)
Escort - Zaeed (dies)
Final boss squadmates - Samara and Jack
Distraction Team - Miranda, Kasumi, Tali, Mordin (only Mordin should die)

Deaths, before landing
Legion - No Shield Upgrade, incinerated
Thane - No Weapons Upgrade, impaled

Deaths, after landing
Jacob - Died by rocket to face
Garrus - Died by seeker swarm
Grunt - Died while closing second door
Zaeed - Died escorting the crew
Mordin - Died holding the line

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Final Squadmates: Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Tali, Samara (Girl power!)
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Modifié par ReallyRue, 12 mai 2011 - 09:38 .

[Cyberfrog81]

ReallyRue wrote...

I took this from the 'Girl Power' link in the first posts, but I want to tweak it so Legion survives along with the women. If I upgrade the shields, so Legion doesn't die en-route, and then leave it at the Hold the Line bit (non-loyal) with Jack, Tali, Kasumi and Mordin, (taking Miranda and Samara with me) will Mordin still die? Or will five people holding the line ensure Mordin's survival, even without him loyal?

If Mordin is loyal and Legion not, Legion will die before Mordin on the line.

Looks like Girl Power + Legion would be very possible if Legion was loyal, but I assume you lost his loyalty when siding with Tali...

[ravageye]

if remember the crap right what ive done on this on diff guys regnegade/paragon on vangaurds/soldier/engineer/infiltrator, and both gendars. at the 1st part started with miranda-grunt with jacob leading 2nd squad. next had legion in shaft and went kasumi-thane with garrus taken other squad with samara's fine ass doin da bubble deal against those flying mosquito dealies.. final part prefer takin tali and legion ta kill the reaper.

diff choces i made on way if remeberin right told chakwas id never abandon u peeps [regardless a renegade/para] i plan on makin it thru before goin thru omega 4 from miranda debate wither ta save reaper tech or na but usualy do it for tim knowing prolly gonna bite me in da ass in me 3 for doin that heh. i try to have minimum a 3 upgrades for diff crap and max as many as i can. side quest stuff i done this with bare minimum done or all quests done. escort for chakways ive sent mordin/kasumi mostly grunt though. and have thane watch my back before slaying the reaper.


of course i do all me guys loyatie missions thats pre-requisite to garunte a urbvival a dem.
done this on me pc and when came to ps3 that to hah. if remembered the stuff what ive done for this tons if remembered right with me broken memory. ;c

thats how ive passed the game with 0 deaths a me peons.

Modifié par ravageye, 14 mai 2011 - 09:33 .

[xassantex]

i never manage to get both miranda and jack's loyalties.
not paragon enough ( some renegade moves are just too much fun to resist ) .
got all other loyalties, made sure the defence line at the end was strong (garrus, thane, zaeed and legion stayed behind , took Grunt and forgot how else to kill the boss ) and everyone came out alive.

[ravageye]

xassantex wrote...

i never manage to get both miranda and jack's loyalties.
not paragon enough ( some renegade moves are just too much fun to resist ) .
got all other loyalties, made sure the defence line at the end was strong (garrus, thane, zaeed and legion stayed behind , took Grunt and forgot how else to kill the boss ) and everyone came out alive.

no clue how u have missed getting em loyal to u, ive had paragon/regnegade shephards get here loyaties np. have had jack kill / save the peon same wit miranda but i make sure i take da tour wit jack and have miranda talk to her sis.

[M33T SH33LD]

I'm having a problem getting all three squadmates to die during the Hold the Line section of the suicide mission.  At this point, everyone is dead but Tali, Mordin, Kasumi, Morinth, and Miranda.  I'm taking Morinth and Miranda with me (both are loyal) to the final Reaper fight.  For some reason I can't get Tali, Mordin, and Kasumi to all die during the Hold the Line section.  They're all unloyal but for some reason Kasumi always survives.  Any thoughts as to why?

[wilhelm Screamer]

I am really happy, my first playthrough ever done totally blind had no casualties.

I was actually trying to get Miranda killed too...

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

M33T SH33LD wrote...

I'm having a problem getting all three squadmates to die during the Hold the Line section of the suicide mission.  At this point, everyone is dead but Tali, Mordin, Kasumi, Morinth, and Miranda.  I'm taking Morinth and Miranda with me (both are loyal) to the final Reaper fight.  For some reason I can't get Tali, Mordin, and Kasumi to all die during the Hold the Line section.  They're all unloyal but for some reason Kasumi always survives.  Any thoughts as to why?

Am going to place bets on Morinth being a potential fly in the ointment even if she isn't HtL. Namely because I've seen some glitchy stuff occur during the Suicide Mission when I've had her there and attempted to kill off other people. I've had people survive as 2nd Leader when they shouldn't (and had at least 3 other surviving squadmates already going into the final battle before said person survived) and I've seen people survive HtL when they shouldn't with her there. This was actually in one attempted playthrough and in the end I had to go back before the mission and make someone not loyal so that I could kill them off in the final battle rather than in an earlier spot which was replaced by another loyal squadmate who I wanted dead.

What is the run down of the Suicide Mission up until that point? Might be able to work out a way for you to do it.

[S Atomeha]

so if i only probed a planet everyone lives?

[Commander_Adept]

I'm currently working on a tragic Paragon femshep... Where she loses most of her squadmates, save for my absolute favorites (Jack, Kasumi, Legion, Garrus). This guide is very useful.

Trying to figure out how best to do it though. So far I'm thinking:

Tali gets vaporized during Omega 4 explosion
Thane gets impaled during Omega 4 pewpew
Leaving Legion turned off until after Suicide Mission
Killing Zaeed during his loyalty post-SM
Sending loyal Kasumi with Chakwas
Never letting Grunt out of his tank
Samara killed as Fire Team Leader
Jacob killed in swarms, with Miranda as specialist, Zaeed other squadmate
Mordin killed in vents
Loyal Garrus and Unloyal Miranda brought to Reaper fight
Zaeed and Jack left to hold the line

That'll work, right? Or did I mess up some kind of math?

[ReallyRue]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

I took this from the 'Girl Power' link in the first posts, but I want to tweak it so Legion survives along with the women. If I upgrade the shields, so Legion doesn't die en-route, and then leave it at the Hold the Line bit (non-loyal) with Jack, Tali, Kasumi and Mordin, (taking Miranda and Samara with me) will Mordin still die? Or will five people holding the line ensure Mordin's survival, even without him loyal?

If Mordin is loyal and Legion not, Legion will die before Mordin on the line.

Looks like Girl Power + Legion would be very possible if Legion was loyal, but I assume you lost his loyalty when siding with Tali...

Hmm, that's unfortunate. I'll try again with Legion loyal and Mordin not this time. Or perhaps neither loyal (would that would result in only Mordin dying?). I'll intend to tweak it so Legion survives on the Girl Power playthrough, even if it takes numerous attempts .

[Cyberfrog81]

Well, here is one of the answers from my program (everyone except Zaeed is loyal):

- Normandy upgrades: Armor and Shielding
- Tech expert: Jacob; team leader (1st): Zaeed
- Biotic: Miranda; team leader (2nd): Grunt; crew escort: Legion
Garrus and Zaeed went with the biotic and Shepard.
- Defenders: Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Zaeed and Mordin
Completed the mission with Samara and Miranda.
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- Lost Thane en-route to Collector base.
- Jacob died trying to close the first door.
- Second door, lost Garrus and Grunt.
- Defenders Zaeed and Mordin perished.
- Mission accomplished. All survivors on-board:
Samara, Miranda, Legion, Tali, Kasumi and Jack.


If Mordin isn't loyal in that setup, it still works.

[ReallyRue]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Well, here is one of the answers from my program (everyone except Zaeed is loyal):

- Normandy upgrades: Armor and Shielding
- Tech expert: Jacob; team leader (1st): Zaeed
- Biotic: Miranda; team leader (2nd): Grunt; crew escort: Legion
Garrus and Zaeed went with the biotic and Shepard.
- Defenders: Tali, Kasumi, Jack, Zaeed and Mordin
Completed the mission with Samara and Miranda.
-------------------------
- Lost Thane en-route to Collector base.
- Jacob died trying to close the first door.
- Second door, lost Garrus and Grunt.
- Defenders Zaeed and Mordin perished.
- Mission accomplished. All survivors on-board:
Samara, Miranda, Legion, Tali, Kasumi and Jack.


If Mordin isn't loyal in that setup, it still works.

Marvellous! Thank you, I'll do this then.

[Mike 9987]

 Hmm, according to the guide you can not make tali leader of the first or second fireteam. That was inaccurate for me. I made her the leader for the first one and, although she did encounter problems that she said over the radio, she ultimately made it in once piece. 

[Cyberfrog81]

Anyone who is available can be chosen as leader, but not everyone is a good choice. A bad choice first fireteam leader gets the tech expert killed, they don't die themselves. This is in the guide.

[Mike 9987]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Anyone who is available can be chosen as leader, but not everyone is a good choice. A bad choice first fireteam leader gets the tech expert killed, they don't die themselves. This is in the guide.

my tech expert didnt die either with tali as leader. i picked kassumi. 

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Commander_Adept wrote...

I'm currently working on a tragic Paragon femshep... Where she loses most of her squadmates, save for my absolute favorites (Jack, Kasumi, Legion, Garrus). This guide is very useful.

Trying to figure out how best to do it though. So far I'm thinking:

Tali gets vaporized during Omega 4 explosion
Thane gets impaled during Omega 4 pewpew
Leaving Legion turned off until after Suicide Mission
Killing Zaeed during his loyalty post-SM
Sending loyal Kasumi with Chakwas
Never letting Grunt out of his tank
Samara killed as Fire Team Leader
Jacob killed in swarms, with Miranda as specialist, Zaeed other squadmate
Mordin killed in vents
Loyal Garrus and Unloyal Miranda brought to Reaper fight
Zaeed and Jack left to hold the line

That'll work, right? Or did I mess up some kind of math?

I know am late in responding to this but...
To ensure Kasumi survives you'd need to ensure you take her to fight the Occulus as she's first in line to be incinerated due to shield explosion. Other than bit of advice, yeah that should work.

[Asari Commando]

question on the whole sequence before suicide mission
im trying to figure out how i can get all the mates loyal before suicide mission (without waiting missions after the collectors take my crew). when jacks loyalty mission is complete that promps the fights between her and miranda, my renegade/paragon score is never high enough to resolve the situation. and either miranda or jack ends up with PMS for the remainder of my playthru.

i want to have the main chars loyal atleast, such as my tech specialist or team leaders (tali, garrus, samera for shield). im thinking maybe if i just ditch jacks loyalty mission, then save her/him/it and only use them for holding the defense behind me at end? i know its possible to get all these people out alive/loyal, but im having a tough time getting it done pre-mission. any insight as to how you set up your ship before heading thru relay would be greatly appreciated

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Not sure but I think if you do the loyalty missions before recruiting more people that may help.

[Antivenger]

Asari Commando wrote...

question on the whole sequence before suicide mission
im trying to figure out how i can get all the mates loyal before suicide mission (without waiting missions after the collectors take my crew). when jacks loyalty mission is complete that promps the fights between her and miranda, my renegade/paragon score is never high enough to resolve the situation. and either miranda or jack ends up with PMS for the remainder of my playthru.

i want to have the main chars loyal atleast, such as my tech specialist or team leaders (tali, garrus, samera for shield). im thinking maybe if i just ditch jacks loyalty mission, then save her/him/it and only use them for holding the defense behind me at end? i know its possible to get all these people out alive/loyal, but im having a tough time getting it done pre-mission. any insight as to how you set up your ship before heading thru relay would be greatly appreciated

You need to do Miranda and Jack's loyalty mission RIGHT BEFORE going on the mission to get the IFF, and every available loyalty mission before that. After you get the IFF, do Legion's loyalty mission (I think he's the last available) and you're all set.

[Dmasterman]

renegadeinterrupt wrote...

Excellent work to all involved.<br />
One thing I'm looking for - to me the ultimate renegade move as far as killing off all the squad and surviving would be to only keep morinth and zaeed. This combo is missing from the list. Is it possible to do all loyalty missions and still achieve this outcome?

Another way I found out how to get this ending is this:

NO One Loyal

take Kasumi and Miranda to fight Oculous

Choose garrus in the tunnels and get him killed (doesn't matter who you choose to be second guard)

Don't let anyone escort them

During the long walk, use Miranda as the biotic specialist and bring Samara and Grunt with the guard specialist Jacob. Jacob and Grunt will be killed.

During the last part, bring Kasumi and Miranda. They will die after the fight with the larva reaper. Everyone else left behind will live (this includes Zaheed, Samara, Tali and Mordin). Tali and Mordin will die leaving Zaheed and Samara alive to bring back onto the ship.


Get Morinth after the suicide mission and do Zaheed's mission if you want

Modifié par Dmasterman, 03 février 2012 - 09:08 .

[TexasToast712]

I lack the brain power to calculate my intended ending but if someone wishes to do it for me please PM me the details.

Survivors: Grunt, Garrus, Legion, Kasumi, Zaeed, entire Normandy crew.

Help me out please.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 13 juin 2011 - 07:36 .