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[DPSSOC]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The greatest threat to human dominance is humanity itself. We have a nasty habit of screwing ourselves over.

Aside from this I'd say the Asari.  The Turians and Salarians are the only other threats and they're both obvious.  We know the Turians have military might and the Salarians are expert covert operatives; these are things we expect and have counters prepared for.  Few people however see diplomacy as a weapon and that's what makes the Asari so dangerous.  They can undermine and overthrow human dominance without taking a single military action by simply out manouvering us pollitically into a weaker position.  The Turians are the guy running at you with a battle axe, the Salarians the sniper in the bush, but the Asari are the person at your side with a switch blade.

[ShadyKat]

Gabey5 wrote...

 Other than the reapers of course.

Humans themselves.
If they are foolish enough to try and rule the other races, they will have the same fate as the Krogan and the Rachni.

[Keltoris]

Us.



Followed by my Shepard if she can get an Asari passport. ^.^

[marshalleck]

The asari, for reasons already stated. They could breed us out of existence--the union of a human/asari pairing yields offspring that are 100% asari.

[Yeti13]

me, myself and I i will wipe humanity out before we taint the galaxy with our ilk

[Super ._. Shepard]

turrian's

[MrDizazta]

Which ever race Commander Shepard cannot get into their pants.

[vanslyke85]

The Asari

[SandTrout]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of betrayal of one's sovereign or nation. ...
My Cmdr. Shepard is a SpecTRe of the Citadel. Allowing humans to gain dominance at the expense of the Citadel races would actually be treason. Humanity is not a united government or a sovereign nation. I cannot commit treason to them. Also, considering how many crimes and atrocities humans perpetrate against themselves, I'm not buying into any notion of "species loyalty". My Cmdr. Shepard's most trusted friends and loyal allies are not human.

Finally, the idea of "human dominance OR other alien dominance" is a false dichotomy. My Cmdr. Shepard does not want any ONE species to dominate, but believes the unity of the Galactic Communty is best for a stable and more secure future for all life in the galaxy.

Your commander Shepard is also a Commander in the Alliance, which is the national body that represents humanity. There is no false dichotomy in the competition between nations, it is the natural progression. There will always be a dominant entity, weather that entity is composed of a group or an individual. The council is a great example of this, actually. The most powerful species combine their forces so that they are more secure from other threats and can best maintain their superiority over other nations. That doesn't mean that they will stop competeing with each other as to who is the dominant nation within the Council. They will always be trying to get a leg up on the others. To claim otherwise is profoundly nieve,

Granted, dominance does not inherently mean that all other nations and their people are at our beck and call, only that we are the most powerful.

Modifié par SandTrout, 28 janvier 2011 - 05:56 .

[SandTrout]

primero holodon wrote...
and since when were the batarians, turians,Asari, salarians and Krogan held a higher place than Humans? the Krogan have no representation on the citidel, the same for the Batarians, and since humanity gained a seat on the council they have just as much power as the salarians, turians nd asari. I see no reason why any of the races you listed is worthy of dominating all other life.

Status =/= power or dominance. Durring ME1, the Asari, Turians, and Salarians were the 3 most dominant species in the galaxy by virture or military and economic strength. I personaly, could not tell you which of the 3 was dominant between them because we simply do not have that much information about the political and economic situation of the galaxy. In any group such as the Council, there will a pecking order of influence based on numerous variables. This pecking order is not static as events and actions alter their respective standings continuously. The entire purpose of the Council is for the most powerful species in the galaxy to remain that way.

[Interactive Civilian]

SandTrout wrote...

Interactive Civilian wrote...

In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of betrayal of one's sovereign or nation. ...
My Cmdr. Shepard is a SpecTRe of the Citadel. Allowing humans to gain dominance at the expense of the Citadel races would actually be treason. Humanity is not a united government or a sovereign nation. I cannot commit treason to them. Also, considering how many crimes and atrocities humans perpetrate against themselves, I'm not buying into any notion of "species loyalty". My Cmdr. Shepard's most trusted friends and loyal allies are not human.

Finally, the idea of "human dominance OR other alien dominance" is a false dichotomy. My Cmdr. Shepard does not want any ONE species to dominate, but believes the unity of the Galactic Communty is best for a stable and more secure future for all life in the galaxy.

Your commander Shepard is also a Commander in the Alliance, which is the national body that represents humanity.

The Alliance does not represent all of humanity (see: colonies in the Terminus systems). Also, and more imporatanlty the Alliance is part of the Council. In the chain of command, the authority of the full council and my status as SpecTRe supersedes the authority of the Alliance brass and my status as Commander in the Alliance Navy. Given conflicting orders from the Council and from the Alliance brass, I would be legally obligated to follow the Council's orders (though, whether or not my Cmdr. Shepard actually would is another matter which would depend very much on the nature of the orders).

Regardless of whether or not you feel that I would be betraying humanity by not allowing them to dominate (especially in the sense that Cerberus wants) other species and siding with those that would keep them in check (and, ideally, maintain a power balance and unity of species not so different from the union of states that makes up the United States or the union of nations that make up the European Union), it is still not by any definition "treason".  You cannot commit treason against a species. You can only commit treason against a government to whom you have given allegience. So, until there is a factual United Human Government, and until I give my allegience to that government, siding with those who do not want human dominance, regardless of whether those are aliens or other humans, is not treason.

[SandTrout]

Acutally, by the definition of 'Nation', you can commit treason against a species.

na·tion

–noun
1.a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.

2.the territory or country itself: the nations of Central America.

3.a member tribe of an American Indian confederation.

4.an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.

When the political structures that your dealing with span multipule species, the species themselves are nations by definition of sharing an ethnicity, in this case, 'Human'.

No one said that humanity would be breaking any laws or violating any territories in our rise to dominance. We could very well do it though perfectly legal means or through diplomacy. You, however, did not claim to be against a particular method of Humanity rising to dominance or any means that we might use, but rather, you expressed flat opposition to human dominance.

We can be dominant within a council that includes Asari, Turians, and Salarians. We do not need to strip them of all power and resources. We just simply have to be more powerful. I guarantee that they will be doing the same. It's not a matter of one species being better than another. It's simply the nature of species to try to secure as much as possible for their species, and some being more successful than others.

As for the political arrangement of the US and EU, those actually support my position. The States in the US are always trying to improve their situation and sometimes even have conflicts between them (California and Arizona, anyone?). Some states are more successful than others as well. In the EU, the various nations still compete with each other economically and have even had some interesting diplomatic incidents, if you read the international news. Some of those nations are failing, while others are still keeping their heads above water.

They are all still striving for dominance because that is their purpose, and to stop striving for dominance and position is to accept submission.

Modifié par SandTrout, 28 janvier 2011 - 07:10 .

[James2912]

SandTrout wrote...

Acutally, by the definition of 'Nation', you can commit treason against a species.

na·tion

–noun
1.a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.

2.the territory or country itself: the nations of Central America.

3.a member tribe of an American Indian confederation.

4.an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.

When the political structures that your dealing with span multipule species, the species themselves are nations by definition of sharing an ethnicity, in this case, 'Human'.

No one said that humanity would be breaking any laws or violating any territories in our rise to dominance. We could very well do it though perfectly legal means or through diplomacy. You, however, did not claim to be against a particular method of Humanity rising to dominance or any means that we might use, but rather, you expressed flat opposition to human dominance.

We can be dominant within a council that includes Asari, Turians, and Salarians. We do not need to strip them of all power and resources. We just simply have to be more powerful. I guarantee that they will be doing the same. It's not a matter of one species being better than another. It's simply the nature of species to try to secure as much as possible for their species, and some being more successful than others.

As for the political arrangement of the US and EU, those actually support my position. The States in the US are always trying to improve their situation and sometimes even have conflicts between them (California and Arizona, anyone?). Some states are more successful than others as well. In the EU, the various nations still compete with each other economically and have even had some interesting diplomatic incidents, if you read the international news. Some of those nations are failing, while others are still keeping their heads above water.

They are all still striving for dominance because that is their purpose, and to stop striving for dominance and position is to accept submission.

Very astute sandtrout I am a political science major in college and its hard for me when people act like international politics is some kind of kumbayah, lets all love each other hippie commune. NO! Its cutthroat competition, the minute you let your guard down you get a knife in your back. Nations are constantly competing for limited and even scarce resources on this tiny planet, its only natural, that this would continue only on a grander scale in Mass Effect only they are competing over star systems rather than countries or continents. 

[DarthSliver]

I am going to have to go with Salarians. They could problay ruin us genetically, biological warfare from them. They could problay make us de-evolve if they tried.

[CroGamer002]

Hmh, I think are Turians, Asari, Salarians and Humans themself.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Batarians, they're like Klingons

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:47 .

[Bluko]

Probably the Turians. There's still some bad blood over the events of the First Contact War. Asari and Salarians are far more likely to play nice and or submit to human dominance. The Turians would never stand for it though. They'd fight us to the Death over it. We probably win, but it would be extremely taxing. Lots of casualities. Probably more deaths then the Reapers would cause through warfare.

[Barquiel]

Liara's and Shepards kids!



Seriously, I don't want human dominance in ME. The "humans are special" thing is bad enough already...why would I want humans to rule the galaxy?

[adam_grif]

Err, the Reapers?



Discounting that, all the council races. They each individually have the industrial and technological capacity to outfight the Systems Alliance. The idea that we could take on even the weakest, the Salarians, is quite unfathomable. Combined? Fuhgeddaboudit.



Ask again in 400 years time when the Alliance isn't so sparsely populated with colonies less than a million people in size that keep getting kidnapped or destroyed or huskified.

[Super ._. Shepard]

turians they are very good at military or the salarins

[Sajuro]

Humans: from the time we first learned the killing power of bone and rock, we've been killing each other in the name of everything from God, to Justice, to simple Psychotic rage.

There are some who say that Earth falling would be the end of humanity, but it will just be the prologue to another bloody chapter of human history.

Because war... war never changes

[Icinix]

Humans are the biggest threat to Human dominance.



Seriously.

[Wulfram]

The Asari. They don't need to defeat humanity, just seduce it. It's how they've ruled the galaxy for millenia.



Also loonies like Cerberus who'll unite the galaxy against humanity.