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Which Species Do You Think Is The Biggest Threat To Human Dominance?


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Dean_the_Young

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Since the only situation in which 'human dominance' is a fiat accompli is a Renegade Council setup, and a human-dominant council is sustained not by overwhelming force and strength but by balancing factions against each other, anyone willing to be reckless enough could shake Humanity's grip on power, and thus end its dominance.



The Batarians might be able to launch a war to destabilize the Alliance. The Volus could crash the galactic economy. The Asari could do the same, or militarize. The Salarians could launch a human-genophage equivalent. The Turians could attack. The Shadow Broker could perhaps break the Alliance's ability to organize, and selectively leak anything and everything it wanted. The Quarians could go mad and use their flotilla to wipe out the Alliance navy.



They could. But there are a lot of reasons why they also may not. Generally this is because, however much they don't like humans (or not), they don't like the alternative better: the Alliance can go down, easily, but it can take a lot of people down with it.



The Batarians were weaker than the Humans long ago, and they've been more interested in promoting and trying to defend their own interests than throwing themselves on the sword for someone else. They could launch a war and still lose.



The Salarians could engage in a war, but they'd never be The dominant species themselves either: at best they'd get their 'little of the three' status in a pre-Human council, if the Human retaliation didn't cripple them as a galactic power in the first place. They're more pragmatic and less emotional than the others anyway, and some indications suggest they're more willing to work with the Human-dominant Council than the other races: in the face of not being able to get dominant on their own, they'd be likely to work with what exists rather than pay the costs to change it themselves. (But if someone else pays the cost...)



The Asari are an economic/cultural strongman, but softpower is limited, especially when that same culture is adverse to militarization. The Destiny Ascension was their Nest Egg, and nothing's suggested (and everything supports the inverse) that they're interested in rebuilding bigger and stronger. The Asari might try a China-strategy of 'civilizing the barbarians', but those strategies generally depended on a lack of cultural identity, and may overestimate the Asari persuasiveness as a cultural-political unit. The Asari don't want to start a fight, and their ability to convince anything is dependant on the Alliance's willingness to be convinced.



Of the Council races, the Turians are the ones most prepared to engage in a fight, but at the same time may face the most resistance from the rest even after a possible victory. They might win the war, but the damage they'd take would be tremendous, and it wouldn't be strange at all to not consider political dominance not worthy half the Heirarchy devastated for hundreds more years, as a worse Krogan Rebellion. Nor would a Turian victory necessarily be greeted warmly by the rest of the galaxy: it would mostly be on its own strength by its own will, replacing one dominant species with another dominant species with an established expansionist history of subjugating other races is not necessarily better for the interests of the rest of the galaxy. There's no guarantee or even strong suggestion that the Turians want to return to a pre-human Council, in which the other two council races were raising the Humans to be counterweights in the first place.





Outside of the Council races, few other races have much reason to oppose, let alone despise, Human dominance of the Citadel enough to take action. They spent hundreds, thousands of years of good behavior getting little or nothing from the Old Council, while they are in a position to get far more out concessions of a less-stable Alliance than they were from the secure old Three who didn't need any support except from themselves. The Volus got an Alliance-held colony world in exchange for support in the immediate aftermath, and have indicators of a Volus independence movement growing and supporting stronger ties with the Alliance. The Hanar's interests haven't been compromised. The elcor neither.





Most the other races have little/no issue or desire for issue with the Alliance. The Terminus is reactionary, not expansionist, and so long as the Alliance-council doesn't cause trouble for them, the Terminus remains divided amongst itself.



The Quarians haven't even established ties with the Humans at last check, and have no bad history (and certainly nothing comparable to the Old Council's abandonment), and have/do share a common threat of the still-active Geth.



The Krogan are concerned about themselves, and either (a) are reforming to a point where they wouldn't be a threat, or (B) are the type of Krogan who have far greater bones to pick with the Salarians and Turians than the humans.



The Geth are either all-genocidal threats to everyone (Heretic virus), or not an immediate threat to anyone (militantly isolationist True Geth). Like the Terminus in the case of the later, if you don't bother them they won't much bother you. Better than the Terminus, they don't harbor pirates either.


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The Krogan. Duh. Once the Genophage is cured there will be only Krogan. Reapers be damned.

Modifié par Guanxii, 28 janvier 2011 - 03:09 .


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Guanxii wrote...

The Krogan. Duh. Once the Genophage is cured there will be only Krogan. Reapers be damned.


who will cure it? and seeing as krogan scientists dont exist..

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Gabey5 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

The Krogan. Duh. Once the Genophage is cured there will be only Krogan. Reapers be damned.


who will cure it? and seeing as krogan scientists dont exist..


Captured Salarian scientists of course.

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...that's like saying that captured American scientists could make a nuclear bomb. It's completely stupid because scientist is a category, not a specialization.



To get people who could cure the genophage, they'd have to kidnap people who were knowledgeable in the genophage, and these are the type of people the Salarians watch for being kidnapped. Maleon got away with it because he volunteered and wasn't under duress, but kidnapping any random Salarian, even if not noticed, is like kidnapping a black person on the expectation that they can rap.



Completely. Utterly. Ridiculous.

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Gabey5 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

The Krogan. Duh. Once the Genophage is cured there will be only Krogan. Reapers be damned.


who will cure it? and seeing as krogan scientists dont exist..



Paging Dr. Okeer. Dr. Okeer, please pick up line one.

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General User wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

The Krogan. Duh. Once the Genophage is cured there will be only Krogan. Reapers be damned.


who will cure it? and seeing as krogan scientists dont exist..



Paging Dr. Okeer. Dr. Okeer, please pick up line one.


the exception and he died.

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To answer the title: Humans.

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Gabey5 wrote...

General User wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

The Krogan. Duh. Once the Genophage is cured there will be only Krogan. Reapers be damned.


who will cure it? and seeing as krogan scientists dont exist..



Paging Dr. Okeer. Dr. Okeer, please pick up line one.


the exception and he died.


Nevermind.  I found him.  He was having lunch with Dr. Droyas.

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Nevermind.  I found him.  He was having lunch with Dr. Droyas.

Ah, did you find out how the confrence with Urdnot's Lord High Reasarcher went?

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The biggest threat to human dominance is... the fact that human dominance would be harmful to others? And a bit pointless? And extremely risky in the long run?

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specie one:

humans

species two:

humans

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I'd go with humans as well, if there's anything we excel at, it's shooting ourselves in the foot.

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Count Viceroy wrote...

I'd go with humans as well, if there's anything we excel at, it's shooting ourselves in the foot.


you can't just say it like that. Give us credit. We advance at an incredible speed. For in every war we find a new way of shooting ourselves in the foot. At least give us some credit for that.

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SandTrout wrote...

General User wrote...
Nevermind.  I found him.  He was having lunch with Dr. Droyas.

Ah, did you find out how the confrence with Urdnot's Lord High Reasarcher went?

Yeah right, apparently you don’t need any scientists to find a way to split the atom either.Image IPB
 
Seriously though, is anyone else getting kinda sick of the genophage? I mean between Dr. Droyas/Saren, Warlord Okeer, and Maelon (almost), we’ve had 3 1/2 separate, workable “cures” in the space of two years, three(ish) of which were invented by krogan.

Modifié par General User, 28 janvier 2011 - 06:02 .


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Humans. Human dominance is an oxymoron. Humans are a deeply flawed species, not really fit to dominate their homeworld, much less the entire galaxy. What would they bring to the table besides a bunch of preposterous superstitions and arbitrary prejudices? I can't think of much.

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The thorian of cause. Though he is less a threat to Human dominance, and more a threat to completely enslave the entire race with nobody else being able to tell/detect.

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Turians, they have the most dreadnaughts.

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Siansonea II wrote...

Humans. Human dominance is an oxymoron. Humans are a deeply flawed species, not really fit to dominate their homeworld, much less the entire galaxy. What would they bring to the table besides a bunch of preposterous superstitions and arbitrary prejudices? I can't think of much.

Do you want me to name some good Humans?most if not all good ones are dead:wizard:.

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Vieuxcruex wrote...

The thorian of cause. Though he is less a threat to Human dominance, and more a threat to completely enslave the entire race with nobody else being able to tell/detect.


Disregarding the whole being dead part obviously.

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Count Viceroy wrote...

Vieuxcruex wrote...

The thorian of cause. Though he is less a threat to Human dominance, and more a threat to completely enslave the entire race with nobody else being able to tell/detect.


Disregarding the whole being dead part obviously.

Nah, it can grow back from the spores in the lungs of Shiala and the Zhu's Hope surviviors.

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Quarians. They have already infiltrated human society. They hide in our closets just waiting to rob us blind at night. So watch out...that Dyson vacuum is really a Quarian waiting to rob you blind.

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Some Geth wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Humans. Human dominance is an oxymoron. Humans are a deeply flawed species, not really fit to dominate their homeworld, much less the entire galaxy. What would they bring to the table besides a bunch of preposterous superstitions and arbitrary prejudices? I can't think of much.

Do you want me to name some good Humans?most if not all good ones are dead:wizard:.


Not at all. Of course there are good humans. But they don't equalize the damage done by the barbarian hordes. Everything illuminated by our best and brightest is ultimately extinguished by a cretin with a big rock/club/missile. Sure, if we could somehow neutralize the thugs and zealots, we'd be great, but unfortunately that's not possible.

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NICKjnp wrote...

Quarians. They have already infiltrated human society. They hide in our closets just waiting to rob us blind at night. So watch out...that Dyson vacuum is really a Quarian waiting to rob you blind.


This is why I bought a Swiffer WetJet™. :D

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Siansonea II wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Humans. Human dominance is an oxymoron. Humans are a deeply flawed species, not really fit to dominate their homeworld, much less the entire galaxy. What would they bring to the table besides a bunch of preposterous superstitions and arbitrary prejudices? I can't think of much.

Do you want me to name some good Humans?most if not all good ones are dead:wizard:.


Not at all. Of course there are good humans. But they don't equalize the damage done by the barbarian hordes. Everything illuminated by our best and brightest is ultimately extinguished by a cretin with a big rock/club/missile. Sure, if we could somehow neutralize the thugs and zealots, we'd be great, but unfortunately that's not possible.

That's why the best of us have to be well better the thing is we can get this world to be a better place it just will be a long time from now.

What I want is more humans like this guy in politics http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Zhou_Enlai he was one of the good ones imo.

Modifié par Some Geth, 28 janvier 2011 - 07:02 .