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[Zulu_DFA]

Guanxii wrote...

The Krogan. Duh. Once the Genophage is cured there will be only Krogan. Reapers be damned.

Without the genophage there will be no Krogans. They will be exterminated by the smarter, more techno-savvy races, that gave them a chance to adapt the last time their attempt to zerg-rush the Galaxy was defeated.

[Dean_the_Young]

Siansonea II wrote...

Humans. Human dominance is an oxymoron. Humans are a deeply flawed species, not really fit to dominate their homeworld, much less the entire galaxy. What would they bring to the table besides a bunch of preposterous superstitions and arbitrary prejudices? I can't think of much.

You make that sound like somehow unique or exceptional.

[Dean_the_Young]

Jabarai wrote...

The biggest threat to human dominance is... the fact that human dominance would be harmful to others?

Not necessarily.

Besides their lack of political dominance and perks deriving therefrom, how have the Asari, the Turians, or the Salarians been harmed?

How have the elcor, or the hanar, or the volus been harmed?

And a bit pointless?

Depends on what you consider pointful.

Since we all die and are forgotten, does temporary, passing kindness have a point? Charity? Love? Scrap-booking? Hobbies?

And extremely risky in the long run?

So is not pursuing an ability to be able to assert your interests.

[Spartas Husky]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Jabarai wrote...

The biggest threat to human dominance is... the fact that human dominance would be harmful to others?

Not necessarily.

Besides their lack of political dominance and perks deriving therefrom, how have the Asari, the Turians, or the Salarians been harmed?

How have the elcor, or the hanar, or the volus been harmed?

And a bit pointless?

Depends on what you consider pointful.

Since we all die and are forgotten, does temporary, passing kindness have a point? Charity? Love? Scrap-booking? Hobbies?

And extremely risky in the long run?

So is not pursuing an ability to be able to assert your interests.

love being devil's advicate dont u?

[Dean_the_Young]

Spartas Husky wrote...

love being devil's advicate dont u?

I like to liken myself to the likeness of Britain's most (Americanly) liked Prime Minister.

(He who can point out the Churchill quote gets a history cookie)

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 28 janvier 2011 - 07:33 .

[Spartas Husky]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

love being devil's advicate dont u?

I like to liken myself to the likeness of Britain's most (Americanly) liked Prime Minister.

(He who can point out the Churchill quote gets a history cookie)

churchill quote? which one he has so many lol.... remember one... damn internet is not working right.

well w/e I remember one saying ... capitalism is...inheritly evil coz it shares unevenly? but socialism is also bad coz it shares evenly all misery... damn forgot my ww2 history. oh well.

[Siansonea]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Humans. Human dominance is an oxymoron. Humans are a deeply flawed species, not really fit to dominate their homeworld, much less the entire galaxy. What would they bring to the table besides a bunch of preposterous superstitions and arbitrary prejudices? I can't think of much.

You make that sound like somehow unique or exceptional.

You're right, it's not. Go Reapers.

[FenixFire]

Probably those damn skullfaces!



Gotta love comic puns... >_>

[SandTrout]

Siansonea II wrote...
Not at all. Of course there are good humans. But they don't equalize the damage done by the barbarian hordes. Everything illuminated by our best and brightest is ultimately extinguished by a cretin with a big rock/club/missile. Sure, if we could somehow neutralize the thugs and zealots, we'd be great, but unfortunately that's not possible.

I disagree that our best and brightest have been extinguished by the cretins with clubs. Our most significant advances as a species invariable occur durring times of conflict. The European Renisance was an era rife with war and murder. The Chinese of antiquity were the most advanced and rich power in the world in the first millenium, but due to their complacency the were overtaken by the 'barbarian hordes' of Europe in the second millenium.
The United States was created in a time of nearly constant warfare between the european empires, and within 2 centuries it became one othe the most powerful and technologically advanced nations in the world. WW2, for all its atrocities, saw major leaps in the fields of medicine and genetics. The Cold War is the direct cause of numerous advances in technology, medicine, and science. We would not have the internet without the military's need for a redundent information network. How many modern materials used for peaceful means would not have come into existance if it weren't for the desperate pushes in science to win wars?

It is precicely our penchant for conflict that drives our species forward and allows us to advance at the rate we do. Without our continuous struggle to survive and haul ourselves to the top of the dogpile, we would never have pulled ourselves out of the stone age. Our greatest minds from our history have frequently also been the most ruthless. Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid. Leonardo Da'Vinci served as a millitary engineer. The Luftwaffe invented the first practical jet engine.

[The7Sins]

We humans are our own biggest threat.

[Dean_the_Young]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

love being devil's advicate dont u?

I like to liken myself to the likeness of Britain's most (Americanly) liked Prime Minister.

(He who can point out the Churchill quote gets a history cookie)

churchill quote? which one he has so many lol.... remember one... damn internet is not working right.

well w/e I remember one saying ... capitalism is...inheritly evil coz it shares unevenly? but socialism is also bad coz it shares evenly all misery... damn forgot my ww2 history. oh well.

'If Hitler invaded Hell, I'd at least give Satan a good recommendation' or some such.

[Dean_the_Young]

Siansonea II wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Humans. Human dominance is an oxymoron. Humans are a deeply flawed species, not really fit to dominate their homeworld, much less the entire galaxy. What would they bring to the table besides a bunch of preposterous superstitions and arbitrary prejudices? I can't think of much.

You make that sound like somehow unique or exceptional.

You're right, it's not. Go Reapers.

And now you're not even pretending to make a balanced judgement or comparison.

Mind you, I'm half curious what you think qualifies a species as 'fit to dominate', since none of the Council species are really anything other than humans with funny accents and tan lines.

[Spartas Husky]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

love being devil's advicate dont u?

I like to liken myself to the likeness of Britain's most (Americanly) liked Prime Minister.

(He who can point out the Churchill quote gets a history cookie)

churchill quote? which one he has so many lol.... remember one... damn internet is not working right.

well w/e I remember one saying ... capitalism is...inheritly evil coz it shares unevenly? but socialism is also bad coz it shares evenly all misery... damn forgot my ww2 history. oh well.

'If Hitler invaded Hell, I'd at least give Satan a good recommendation' or some such.

lol oh oh... wow dull i was. because i call u his advocate... got u. did not got the joke .

i'll look it up later for some reason bioware is the onyl thing firefox is opening. m3h.

[Undertone]

Salarians without a doubt. Because of their intelligence and knack for biology and creating viruses that can potentially cause the extinction of our race just like they did to the Krogan.



The Turians might be slightly stronger militarily at present moment, but that's easily rectifiable. Humans are less rigid and have more open-minded, creative and swift way of thinking when it comes to combat strategy. Shanxi was an example of that.



The Asari lacks the military strength or the numbers (of clear soldiers) and while their biotics seem to be problematic, a biotic bleeds just like everyone else. Plus we have our own biotics and ways to counter it.



The Krogan are a shadow of it's former self. The Geth will not likely interfere plus others would be distrustful to ally themselves with them.



The Quarian fleet might be the biggest in the galaxy but they lack moral and will rather run to save their civilians (who are also on board) then fight in a clear mind. Their ships are also definitely not the best in technology or quality.



The Batarian Hegemony is already weakened after few scuffs with the Alliance and it's as of ME1 already known to be weaker then Humanity in terms of every aspect.



The Vorcha are vermin. The Drell and the Hanar will likely remain neutral and thus easily conquerable.



Thus the only problem is the Salarians or becoming a threat that would unify everyone else against us. I would get the Salarians on our side and betray them when it's too late and they are the last standing. Or wait for an opportune moment and strike when everyone else is weak (such as possibly after the Reaper invasion).



As to how to govern them Machiavelli makes quite a few interesting points with which I agree.

[Undertone]

SandTrout wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Not at all. Of course there are good humans. But they don't equalize the damage done by the barbarian hordes. Everything illuminated by our best and brightest is ultimately extinguished by a cretin with a big rock/club/missile. Sure, if we could somehow neutralize the thugs and zealots, we'd be great, but unfortunately that's not possible.

I disagree that our best and brightest have been extinguished by the cretins with clubs. Our most significant advances as a species invariable occur durring times of conflict. The European Renisance was an era rife with war and murder. The Chinese of antiquity were the most advanced and rich power in the world in the first millenium, but due to their complacency the were overtaken by the 'barbarian hordes' of Europe in the second millenium.
The United States was created in a time of nearly constant warfare between the european empires, and within 2 centuries it became one othe the most powerful and technologically advanced nations in the world. WW2, for all its atrocities, saw major leaps in the fields of medicine and genetics. The Cold War is the direct cause of numerous advances in technology, medicine, and science. We would not have the internet without the military's need for a redundent information network. How many modern materials used for peaceful means would not have come into existance if it weren't for the desperate pushes in science to win wars?

It is precicely our penchant for conflict that drives our species forward and allows us to advance at the rate we do. Without our continuous struggle to survive and haul ourselves to the top of the dogpile, we would never have pulled ourselves out of the stone age. Our greatest minds from our history have frequently also been the most ruthless. Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid. Leonardo Da'Vinci served as a millitary engineer. The Luftwaffe invented the first practical jet engine.

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

[Xilizhra]

Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid.

Edison was much better at stealing other peoples' ideas than coming up with his own. He's a bad example.

Da Vinci, I think, thought that his own inventions would serve to make warfare nasty enough that it would go out of fashion (a naivete shared by Orville Wright, though Wright's later prediction that the atomic bomb would make war too nasty to conduct might have had some truth to it).

[SandTrout]

Xilizhra wrote...

Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid.

Edison was much better at stealing other peoples' ideas than coming up with his own. He's a bad example.
Da Vinci, I think, thought that his own inventions would serve to make warfare nasty enough that it would go out of fashion (a naivete shared by Orville Wright, though Wright's later prediction that the atomic bomb would make war too nasty to conduct might have had some truth to it).

And still our species is healthier, enjoys a higher average standard of living, and has a larger populations that it did in the past. That is my personal definition of progress.

[Undertone]

Xilizhra wrote...

Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid.

Edison was much better at stealing other peoples' ideas than coming up with his own. He's a bad example.
Da Vinci, I think, thought that his own inventions would serve to make warfare nasty enough that it would go out of fashion (a naivete shared by Orville Wright, though Wright's later prediction that the atomic bomb would make war too nasty to conduct might have had some truth to it).

Just because technology can bring "bad and evil" doesn't mean it should be shunned. For every bad, there's good and vice versa. So it's a moot point. Anything taken to extreme is counter-productive.

Modifié par Undertone, 28 janvier 2011 - 10:34 .

[nuclearpengu1nn]

volus

[volus4life]

just curious, in MEverse history, is there any other alien organizations similar to cerberus? i.e. a terrorist organization who will go to any lengths to secure their race's dominance in the galaxy?

[SandTrout]

volus4life wrote...

just curious, in MEverse history, is there any other alien organizations similar to cerberus? i.e. a terrorist organization who will go to any lengths to secure their race's dominance in the galaxy?

The Salarians had something roughly equivilent in the Legion of One. They made the mistake of airing that particular dirty laundry though, causeing the legion to kill all those responsible and go underground.

[Xilizhra]

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid.

Edison was much better at stealing other peoples' ideas than coming up with his own. He's a bad example.
Da Vinci, I think, thought that his own inventions would serve to make warfare nasty enough that it would go out of fashion (a naivete shared by Orville Wright, though Wright's later prediction that the atomic bomb would make war too nasty to conduct might have had some truth to it).

And still our species is healthier, enjoys a higher average standard of living, and has a larger populations that it did in the past. That is my personal definition of progress.

And what happens if our species drives itself into extinction?

[James2912]

STG is a good example.

[volus4life]

Xilizhra wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid.

Edison was much better at stealing other peoples' ideas than coming up with his own. He's a bad example.
Da Vinci, I think, thought that his own inventions would serve to make warfare nasty enough that it would go out of fashion (a naivete shared by Orville Wright, though Wright's later prediction that the atomic bomb would make war too nasty to conduct might have had some truth to it).

And still our species is healthier, enjoys a higher average standard of living, and has a larger populations that it did in the past. That is my personal definition of progress.

And what happens if our species drives itself into extinction?

I don't think you should be applying potential IRL scenarios to what occurs in the MEverse.

IRL, sure, it is possible that, in the future, we pull a Tuchanka and nuke ourselves into a barren wasteland. or we pollute our planet until it becomes another Tuchanka.

but in MEverse, it seems that humanity, unlike the krogan, has managed to avoid self destruction so far. i don't see why they would self destruct on a galactic scale now, instead of a planetary scale.

[volus4life]

SandTrout wrote...

volus4life wrote...

just curious, in MEverse history, is there any other alien organizations similar to cerberus? i.e. a terrorist organization who will go to any lengths to secure their race's dominance in the galaxy?

The Salarians had something roughly equivilent in the Legion of One. They made the mistake of airing that particular dirty laundry though, causeing the legion to kill all those responsible and go underground.

are these guys featured in me1 or books or comics? i haven't played me1 yet, nor have i read any of the ME books or comics. i should probably at least try reading the books.