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[EternalPink]

Turians



We've only just got a council seat and there is a agreement on dreadnougth building ratio to try prevent a arms race, as i remember from the codex its...



Turians 5 : Council race 3 : non-council race 1



So even if we went into super fast construction mode, we'd still have a 5 to 3 disadvantage and at the point of joining we'd be at a 5:1 disadvantage.



Been a while since i've been in a real fight but 5 to 1 odds don't sound appealing to me.

[Dean_the_Young]

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Edison attempted to use the Electric chair to demonize AC power so that his invention, DC power, would become the basis for the American power grid.

Edison was much better at stealing other peoples' ideas than coming up with his own. He's a bad example.
Da Vinci, I think, thought that his own inventions would serve to make warfare nasty enough that it would go out of fashion (a naivete shared by Orville Wright, though Wright's later prediction that the atomic bomb would make war too nasty to conduct might have had some truth to it).

And still our species is healthier, enjoys a higher average standard of living, and has a larger populations that it did in the past. That is my personal definition of progress.

And what happens if our species drives itself into extinction?

And what if we go extinct for an entirely mundane reason? Does that disprove peace?

It wouldn't disprove a (broad) historic trend of war, or more particularly struggles for dominance, fueling technological innovation and progress. While this isn't always true (there are a lot of cases in which war stagnates technology: generally when a war is so all-encompasing that an economy to fuel developments can't survive),

'War accelerates technology' is actually not a truism. It's better to say 'vast resources dedicated to technological advancement accelerates technology', but one of the few types of groups able to provide those resources and willing to do so are nation-states with the impetus of war to drive them. This was most noticable during WW2 and the Cold War, when only governments had the finances and motivation to fund innovation.


This is actually becoming a bit less-true now, with the rise of super-corporations and the advances of technology in multiple fields. While the military-industrial complex used to lead in nearly all the relevant fields, the commercial-industrial complex is outpacing even the military: developments like the IPHONE, or motion-sensor computer usage (the Wii, the X-Box kinetic), and electronics are increasingly not being the brain-child of military-sponsorships, but actual completely commercial innovations that surpass their military equivalents.

Rather than commerce following military development, we're entering a phase in history in which military technology is at times following commercial development: the military started the internet, but now the internet commerce and infrastructure is in a completely different league now.

[Undertone]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

Well what can I say, I don't play nice. To me it's entertaining the lack of any logic from some people. You however make educated, logic based arguments and whether I disagree or agree with them I can relate. But sometimes I wonder about the survival odds of people in here IRL with the stuff they suggest.  Either that or they are misanthrops.

[Aeowyn]

Or idealists? No need to insult them for it and act high and mighty, Undertone.

And OT, I believe the salarians are the biggest threat. Sure turian have armies, but the System Alliance isn't exactly small and considering how things went at Shanxi when humanity wasn't even aware of aliens, the SA is an impressive military force by 2185.

The salarians can develop bio weapons. I'm not 100% certain where humanity and SA are when it comes to protection against bio weapons, but I'd fear anything the Salarians would develop tbh. Just look at the genophage.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 29 janvier 2011 - 01:14 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

Well what can I say, I don't play nice.

You'd make a horrible realist then.

The first rule of realism is to accept how people are, and to act accordingly for maximum benefit.
The second rule of realism is remembering that playing nice costs nothing, and can gain much.
The third rule of realism is that if you forget rule number two, you are violating rule number one.

[Undertone]

Aeowyn wrote...

Or idealists? No need to insult them for it and act high and mighty, Undertone.

And OT, I believe the salarians are the biggest threat. Sure turian have armies, but the System Alliance isn't exactly small and considering how things went at Shanxi when humanity wasn't even aware of aliens, the SA is an impressive military force by 2185.

The salarians can develop bio weapons. I'm not 100% certain where humanity and SA are when it comes to protection against bio weapons, but I'd fear anything the Salarians would develop tbh. Just look at the genophage.

Oh I am quite the fallible creature myself. I am not even that hardcore realist, just a healthy mix of idealism and realism. But I usually tend to play games with choices as I would act them in real life. Perhaps that's my mistake.

As I stated before I do think salarians are indeed the biggest threat, so I agree with your opinion completely.

[General User]

Aeowyn wrote...

Or idealists? No need to insult them for it and act high and mighty, Undertone.

And OT, I believe the salarians are the biggest threat. Sure turian have armies, but the System Alliance isn't exactly small and considering how things went at Shanxi when humanity wasn't even aware of aliens, the SA is an impressive military force by 2185.

The salarians can develop bio weapons. I'm not 100% certain where humanity and SA are when it comes to protection against bio weapons, but I'd fear anything the Salarians would develop tbh. Just look at the genophage.

A pet theory of mine is that humanity in general is the most advanced race in terms of the life-sciences in Mass Effect. 

Medi-gel was a human invention, the Lazarus Project was a human effort, most of the major bio-tech/life science firms we hear about are human enterprises (Binary Helix, Sirta Foundation).
 
Just food for thought.

[Undertone]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

Well what can I say, I don't play nice.

You'd make a horrible realist then.

The first rule of realism is to accept how people are, and to act accordingly for maximum benefit.
The second rule of realism is remembering that playing nice costs nothing, and can gain much.
The third rule of realism is that if you forget rule number two, you are violating rule number one.

And that is quite true when it comes to the social aspect of things. But also the leader is curiously the one that "doesn't give a ...." and doesn't comform with everything. People are such a curious things and why they follow people. Anyway without derailing the thread too much - I am quite the blunt kind of person, I rarely don't speak my mind even if it detriments other people. If they can't deal with it, not my problem  But we can have a private discussion on "People-watching" if you wish so. I have the nasty habit of off-topicking threads

Modifié par Undertone, 29 janvier 2011 - 01:23 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Politics is social. Persuasion is social. Even war is social.



Assuming you have a productive point for communication, as in to persuade others and share and learn more both in yourself and improve others, 'tact' has never been a weakness.

[Spornicus]

General User wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Or idealists? No need to insult them for it and act high and mighty, Undertone.

And OT, I believe the salarians are the biggest threat. Sure turian have armies, but the System Alliance isn't exactly small and considering how things went at Shanxi when humanity wasn't even aware of aliens, the SA is an impressive military force by 2185.

The salarians can develop bio weapons. I'm not 100% certain where humanity and SA are when it comes to protection against bio weapons, but I'd fear anything the Salarians would develop tbh. Just look at the genophage.

A pet theory of mine is that humanity in general is the most advanced race in terms of the life-sciences in Mass Effect. 

Medi-gel was a human invention, the Lazarus Project was a human effort, most of the major bio-tech/life science firms we hear about are human enterprises (Binary Helix, Sirta Foundation).
 
Just food for thought.

I noticed that too. It's funny how humans invented medi-gel after barely being on the galactic stage, and none of the other species, who have been there for millenia, didn't come up with the same things. Ah, humanity.

[Undertone]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Politics is social. Persuasion is social. Even war is social.

Assuming
you have a productive point for communication, as in to persuade others
and share and learn more both in yourself and improve others, 'tact'
has never been a weakness.

That is indeed correct when the following objectives are pursued.

Modifié par Undertone, 29 janvier 2011 - 01:31 .

[Xilizhra]

Spornicus wrote...

General User wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Or idealists? No need to insult them for it and act high and mighty, Undertone.

And OT, I believe the salarians are the biggest threat. Sure turian have armies, but the System Alliance isn't exactly small and considering how things went at Shanxi when humanity wasn't even aware of aliens, the SA is an impressive military force by 2185.

The salarians can develop bio weapons. I'm not 100% certain where humanity and SA are when it comes to protection against bio weapons, but I'd fear anything the Salarians would develop tbh. Just look at the genophage.

A pet theory of mine is that humanity in general is the most advanced race in terms of the life-sciences in Mass Effect. 

Medi-gel was a human invention, the Lazarus Project was a human effort, most of the major bio-tech/life science firms we hear about are human enterprises (Binary Helix, Sirta Foundation).
 
Just food for thought.

I noticed that too. It's funny how humans invented medi-gel after barely being on the galactic stage, and none of the other species, who have been there for millenia, didn't come up with the same things. Ah, humanity.

Medigel is the best thing on the market. It doesn't mean that nothing with a similar level of effectiveness was there before.

[Sandbox47]

Reapers.

Rats.

Council (Asari, Turian, Salarian).

Overlord (I don't mean the DLC, I mean an accidental AI intrusion into the net. Could kill off the Earth).

Rachni. (not because they are very powerful, though I don't actually know their strength, but because it was Shepard's call to save them)

Batarians.

Hanar/Elcor.

Drell.

Quarians.

Geth (have no interest in possesions outside the Veil).

Krogan.

The game tells us that Tali studies dark energy and that the inspectro is investigating something about dark energy. Clearly that will follow to ME3 and is a potential threat to humanity.

Vorcha.

Fornax.

[Aeowyn]

Sandbox47 wrote...

Fornax.

[Undertone]

Sandbox47 wrote...

Reapers.
Rats.
Council (Asari, Turian, Salarian).
Overlord (I don't mean the DLC, I mean an accidental AI intrusion into the net. Could kill off the Earth).
Rachni. (not because they are very powerful, though I don't actually know their strength, but because it was Shepard's call to save them)
Batarians.
Hanar/Elcor.
Drell.
Quarians.
Geth (have no interest in possesions outside the Veil).
Krogan.
The game tells us that Tali studies dark energy and that the inspectro is investigating something about dark energy. Clearly that will follow to ME3 and is a potential threat to humanity.
Vorcha.
Fornax.

You sir, made me laugh. Thank you.

[volus4life]

Sandbox47 wrote...

Reapers.
Rats.
Council (Asari, Turian, Salarian).
Overlord (I don't mean the DLC, I mean an accidental AI intrusion into the net. Could kill off the Earth).
Rachni. (not because they are very powerful, though I don't actually know their strength, but because it was Shepard's call to save them)
Batarians.
Hanar/Elcor.
Drell.
Quarians.
Geth (have no interest in possesions outside the Veil).
Krogan.
The game tells us that Tali studies dark energy and that the inspectro is investigating something about dark energy. Clearly that will follow to ME3 and is a potential threat to humanity.
Vorcha.
Fornax.

gotta disagree, buddy, reapers > pyjaks > rats

[Sajuro]

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

Well what can I say, I don't play nice.

You'd make a horrible realist then.

The first rule of realism is to accept how people are, and to act accordingly for maximum benefit.
The second rule of realism is remembering that playing nice costs nothing, and can gain much.
The third rule of realism is that if you forget rule number two, you are violating rule number one.

And that is quite true when it comes to the social aspect of things. But also the leader is curiously the one that "doesn't give a ...." and doesn't comform with everything. People are such a curious things and why they follow people. Anyway without derailing the thread too much - I am quite the blunt kind of person, I rarely don't speak my mind even if it detriments other people. If they can't deal with it, not my problem  But we can have a private discussion on "People-watching" if you wish so. I have the nasty habit of off-topicking threads

Off the internets, if people don't like what you say than it really is your problem.
Back on Topic, all the people saying how humans are the greatest threat is making this sound like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

[Undertone]

Sajuro wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

Well what can I say, I don't play nice.

You'd make a horrible realist then.

The first rule of realism is to accept how people are, and to act accordingly for maximum benefit.
The second rule of realism is remembering that playing nice costs nothing, and can gain much.
The third rule of realism is that if you forget rule number two, you are violating rule number one.

And that is quite true when it comes to the social aspect of things. But also the leader is curiously the one that "doesn't give a ...." and doesn't comform with everything. People are such a curious things and why they follow people. Anyway without derailing the thread too much - I am quite the blunt kind of person, I rarely don't speak my mind even if it detriments other people. If they can't deal with it, not my problem  But we can have a private discussion on "People-watching" if you wish so. I have the nasty habit of off-topicking threads

Off the internets, if people don't like what you say than it really is your problem.
Back on Topic, all the people saying how humans are the greatest threat is making this sound like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

So IRL you say everything that people would like to hear? My, you must have no self-esteem And Twilight Zone is awesome.

People should have more faith in their own species or rather in what they are. Why human-bashing is so popular I never understood.

[Sajuro]

Undertone wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

Well what can I say, I don't play nice.

You'd make a horrible realist then.

The first rule of realism is to accept how people are, and to act accordingly for maximum benefit.
The second rule of realism is remembering that playing nice costs nothing, and can gain much.
The third rule of realism is that if you forget rule number two, you are violating rule number one.

And that is quite true when it comes to the social aspect of things. But also the leader is curiously the one that "doesn't give a ...." and doesn't comform with everything. People are such a curious things and why they follow people. Anyway without derailing the thread too much - I am quite the blunt kind of person, I rarely don't speak my mind even if it detriments other people. If they can't deal with it, not my problem  But we can have a private discussion on "People-watching" if you wish so. I have the nasty habit of off-topicking threads

Off the internets, if people don't like what you say than it really is your problem.
Back on Topic, all the people saying how humans are the greatest threat is making this sound like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

So IRL you say everything that people would like to hear? My, you must have no self-esteem And Twilight Zone is awesome.

People should have more faith in their own species or rather in what they are. Why human-bashing is so popular I never understood.

No, it is your problem because people can screw you if you act like a jerk to them. That's why you monitor what you say, and with a little tact say it in a nicer way.

I like Twilight Zone too, but that is what it sounds like. Especially that one where the most evil creature was Man.
Narrator: So in the end, the only being who damaged man's ambitions in the stars was himself, because none of the 'aliens' were so foreign to him as his own faults. This has been another foray into the twilight zone.

[Undertone]

Sajuro wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Undertone wrote...

You are wasting your breath if you ask me. Most people here are idealistic bunny-lovers who never saw conflict in their entire life nor struggled in any sort of way to understand your perspective. It's conflict and struggle that strengthen us. And I realize that, it might be a generalization on my part but it is clear to me from the way people think. If anyone is willing to disprove me you are more then welcome.

You know, I'm hardly one of those idealistic bunny-lovers and I found that offensive.

Well what can I say, I don't play nice.

You'd make a horrible realist then.

The first rule of realism is to accept how people are, and to act accordingly for maximum benefit.
The second rule of realism is remembering that playing nice costs nothing, and can gain much.
The third rule of realism is that if you forget rule number two, you are violating rule number one.

And that is quite true when it comes to the social aspect of things. But also the leader is curiously the one that "doesn't give a ...." and doesn't comform with everything. People are such a curious things and why they follow people. Anyway without derailing the thread too much - I am quite the blunt kind of person, I rarely don't speak my mind even if it detriments other people. If they can't deal with it, not my problem  But we can have a private discussion on "People-watching" if you wish so. I have the nasty habit of off-topicking threads

Off the internets, if people don't like what you say than it really is your problem.
Back on Topic, all the people saying how humans are the greatest threat is making this sound like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

So IRL you say everything that people would like to hear? My, you must have no self-esteem And Twilight Zone is awesome.

People should have more faith in their own species or rather in what they are. Why human-bashing is so popular I never understood.

No, it is your problem because people can screw you if you act like a jerk to them. That's why you monitor what you say, and with a little tact say it in a nicer way.

I like Twilight Zone too, but that is what it sounds like. Especially that one where the most evil creature was Man.
Narrator: So in the end, the only being who damaged man's ambitions in the stars was himself, because none of the 'aliens' were so foreign to him as his own faults. This has been another foray into the twilight zone.

I know what you meant  I just chose to interpret it that way. Well I guess the fortunate part is that people can't screw with me either physically or mentally. Or economically I suppose. In a general sense, of course. Everyone has their weak sides.

From where I stand, if people actually lived in that setting they wouldn't be speaking such nonsense as "humanity is evil".

[Xilizhra]

Few have said that humanity is evil. Most just don't want humans to dominate everyone else.

[OmegaXI]

None they fear my shep to much to mess with humanity. My Shep has 2 genocides (the rachni and the collectors) under his belt and lets not forget about the way he have the orginal council their final send off

Modifié par OmegaXI, 29 janvier 2011 - 03:37 .

[oldag07]

A far fetched one. some super disease . .. . Technically life, hence a species. . . .

[oldag07]

Or the Asari. The Asari will mate with all of us, and we will no longer have any human offspring.