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[Wulfram]

The Asari usually take 350 years to start reproducing, so I can't see them trying to outbreed people.

[RAF1940]

Wizz wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

It is is stated in Acension  that the greater part of the Citadel Fleet is destroyed in the attack on the Citadel, leaving the Alliance Navy as the dominant military power. Humans have the most ships now. The remaining ships of the aliens are gonna be securing their homeworlds presumably . The battle was much bigger than what was shown in the brief cutscene

Yeah, I've read it, but it has no sense. Small percentage of geth just cannot destroy greater part of Citadel fleet.
Also Codex states that "During the year 2185, the dreadnought count is 39 turians, 20 asari, 16 salarians, and 8 humans."

This is true, but it probably wasn't dreadnoughts that were destroyed. They're a little large to patrol the Citadel.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Quite the discussion, guys.

To answer the original question, I've always thought they were the asari. They're arguably the most technologically advanced race currently in the known galaxy, are natural biotics, and were the first to discover the Citadel and the mass relays. As such, I view them to be the "head" race.

Having said that, I do not believe they are the most militarily advanced race.

[Undertone]

SandTrout wrote...

ravenimage wrote...

Ideally, for the sake of balance. Any galaxy - for the sake of fantasy - dominated by a single species is doomed. There should be an equal amount of control by every species. There are going to be wars, destruction, and arguments no matter what (that's the basic behavior of sentient life), but for one race to have absolute control and dominance over the others is more harmful in the long run than if all the species war against each other.

That's remarkably... logical. However, I would like to point out that if the other species were not able to stop human dominance, then they would be, by definition of natural selection, unfit. Our rise to dominance would proof of fittness and capablity, and force other species to adapt and overcome by weeding out the weaknesses within their own societies.

Even assuming that no species rises to challenge us, others in this thread have pointed out that human societies do have a habbit of creating their own competition when nature doesn't provide it. I doubt that we would see stagnation, or peace, for that matter, under Human rule.

You sir, win an internet cookie. I suppose I lack the patience to explain natural selection, the strongest thrive and survive concept and so on. I agree perfectly with your sentiment.

From where I stand, I just hope ME3 allows me to have that human dominance established for which I've been working for the past two games. It would be fun to finally see the fruits of my actions.

Turians placed in circus, asari in aquariums and drells in terrariums. Throw in some slaves to dance me and bring me drinks. (I am just kidding)

[Flamewielder]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Paragon/Renegade analogies break down further when you start to realize that Udina, the Renegade aligned politician, has never been shown or depicted to do anything more violent than a shove, while Anderson is repeatedly depicted as a war-hero badass who relishes punching certain politicians.

Udina, the Renegade, is the compromiser who's better and more interested at maintaining good relations to humanity's own benefit. Anderson, the Paragon, is depicted as keeping Udina around to clean up those sorts of messes.

Sad, but true... although I never really saw him as a renegade myself. Not having read any of the novels, my impressions are strictly based on the games and I had him figured out as more of an opportunistic politician. When came the time to choose, Anderson seemed like the better choice as I expected a military man on the Council would fare better in a war against the Reapers. Paragon/Renegade considerations were never a factor in my choice.

Oh well... At least the poor bastard sounded as depressed as I felt when I realized how useless the Council had been while my Shep was gone!

As for the original post, THE REAPERS are the most obvious threath to human dominance... but I guess that's not what the OP meant, so I'd say Turian because they are competing for the same cultural niche in Council space: that of military muscle. Salarians and asari are culturally cooperative and do not seem to mind being the 2nd, 3rd or 4th most important economy in Council space... as long as the don't feel antagonized or threatened by humanity.

Turians, on the other hand, feel threatened because humans have been quick playing catch-up with the "big three", owing their Council seat to their (now depleted) military might. The parallel between the recent ascendance of humanity following the battle of the Citadel and the USA's ascendance on the world stage following WW2 is obvious. The pre-war alpha dogs like the British Empire were relegated to the back benches as the USA used its largely undamaged economy to assert itself as the new imperial power.

If and when humanity achieves prominence on the galactic stage, its attitude towards other Council species will weigh heavily on exactly how long they'll remain the alpha dog. If most of the big players each find their own advantages to the situation, humanity might well remain prominent for centuries. If most of them find humanity unbearable, they'll just bide their time and eventually kick us in the nuts.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 29 janvier 2011 - 10:18 .

[Zulu_DFA]

SandTrout wrote...
I doubt that we would see stagnation, or peace, for that matter, under Human rule.

Stagnation, without big challenges (or refusing to take on ones should they arise -- see "the Big Quarian FU"), is exactly what this Galaxy has been experiencing for the past millenium under the "cool aliens" government.

Human rule is desperately needed to end it.

[Xilizhra]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SandTrout wrote...
I doubt that we would see stagnation, or peace, for that matter, under Human rule.

Stagnation, without big challenges (or refusing to take on ones should they arise -- see "the Big Quarian FU"), is exactly what this Galaxy has been experiencing for the past millenium under the "cool aliens" government.

Human rule is desperately needed to end it.

Humans can get plenty stagnant by themselves (Egypt, China, et al) and I don't think our rule is necessary to shake up the status quo. The Reapers should do that well enough.

[Flamewielder]

Indeed... nothing like a big armed conflict to stir the honey pot...

[Zulu_DFA]

Xilizhra wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

SandTrout wrote...
I doubt that we would see stagnation, or peace, for that matter, under Human rule.

Stagnation, without big challenges (or refusing to take on ones should they arise -- see "the Big Quarian FU"), is exactly what this Galaxy has been experiencing for the past millenium under the "cool aliens" government.

Human rule is desperately needed to end it.

Humans can get plenty stagnant by themselves (Egypt, China, et al) and I don't think our rule is necessary to shake up the status quo. The Reapers should do that well enough.

Are we talking the Reapers now? How about the Humans saving everybody from them which will serve as clear indication that the Humans are more suited for the leadership role?

[OmegaXI]

didymos1120 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

...but someone who live in a country which NEVER EVER suffer true horrors of war will NEVER understand what war really is...

Which country is that?

I was wondering the same thing

[SandTrout]

Xilizhra wrote...
Humans can get plenty stagnant by themselves (Egypt, China, et al) and I don't think our rule is necessary to shake up the status quo. The Reapers should do that well enough.

You are quite correct in these statements. Ancient Egypt and China were both significant powers that stagnated, and fell because of the rise of more vibrant cultures. Case and point for my position that we need to always be striving or we will be overtaken. It is even more important in the ME era because we don't have the safety net of Egypt and China of being able to asymilate into the potential conqureing nation. The Reapers most certainly will destroy the Status Quo, so we must be ready to take advantage of it.

[OmegaXI]

How many alien races has humanity started aggresive actions againist? I mean the Turians attacked humanity first and humans reacted by attacking back. The batarians attacked humans and humanity showed them that stuff wasn't going to fly. But has humanity gone out and attacked another race first? So far humans have not been the aggressors, human have reacted to aggression with aggression. And alot of people are acting like the Asari, Salarians, and Turians have been good leaders. They didn't help humanity when we were attacked by the geth or slavers, while on the other hand using humanity and the alliance as shield againist the lawless Terminous system.



I want human dominance to mean that we cannot be threaten by the turians, salarians, asari or any other race out there. Besides the council races before humans joined/took their seat didn't care about the 'lesser' races, they only cared about keeping themselves in power. They were fine with the Batarians having slavery while they were part of citdel space.



And what race saved/postponed the universe from being Reaper chow? Humans

[SandTrout]

OmegaXI wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

...but someone who live in a country which NEVER EVER suffer true horrors of war will NEVER understand what war really is...

Which country is that?

I was wondering the same thing

Switzerlantd maybe? But they have the policy that every single citizen has been issued a rifle as a deterent.

[Xilizhra]

Are we talking the Reapers now? How about the Humans saving everybody from them which will serve as clear indication that the Humans are more suited for the leadership role?

A. winning a war isn't a clear indication that one is a good civilian leader (see Churchill), and B. I doubt very much that humans will be the ones doing all the saving; in my own case, I don't think humans will even be doing most of it.

You are quite correct in these statements. Ancient Egypt and China were both significant powers that stagnated, and fell because of the rise of more vibrant cultures. Case and point for my position that we need to always be striving or we will be overtaken. It is even more important in the ME era because we don't have the safety net of Egypt and China of being able to asymilate into the potential conqureing nation. The Reapers most certainly will destroy the Status Quo, so we must be ready to take advantage of it.

Striving is good. Imbalance is not.

[Undertone]

Xilizhra wrote...

Are we talking the Reapers now? How about the Humans saving everybody from them which will serve as clear indication that the Humans are more suited for the leadership role?

A. winning a war isn't a clear indication that one is a good civilian leader (see Churchill), and B. I doubt very much that humans will be the ones doing all the saving; in my own case, I don't think humans will even be doing most of it.

You are quite correct in these statements. Ancient Egypt and China were both significant powers that stagnated, and fell because of the rise of more vibrant cultures. Case and point for my position that we need to always be striving or we will be overtaken. It is even more important in the ME era because we don't have the safety net of Egypt and China of being able to asymilate into the potential conqureing nation. The Reapers most certainly will destroy the Status Quo, so we must be ready to take advantage of it.

Striving is good. Imbalance is not.

What exactly sort of semblance of balance are you talking about then? Peace and equality? Ah, we have dismissed those claims.

[Xilizhra]

Well, we can certainly strive for that.

[Undertone]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, we can certainly strive for that.

That's what people say to ease their hearts and minds  The reality is however there would always be a strive for power even in your idealistic desires. Without power you cannot do or change anything.

[Xilizhra]

Undertone wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, we can certainly strive for that.

That's what people say to ease their hearts and minds  The reality is however there would always be a strive for power even in your idealistic desires. Without power you cannot do or change anything.

I can at least do all I can myself for that end.

[Undertone]

Xilizhra wrote...

Undertone wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, we can certainly strive for that.

That's what people say to ease their hearts and minds  The reality is however there would always be a strive for power even in your idealistic desires. Without power you cannot do or change anything.

I can at least do all I can myself for that end.

Well good luck achieving that  (and that's not ironical but sincere wish). You remind me of what kind of person I used to be  But with you I've come to agree we have completely different ideology, thinking or opinion on just about anything related in ME or perhaps more in tune IRL. I think I like you, I like contrasts

Modifié par Undertone, 30 janvier 2011 - 12:54 .

[Xilizhra]

The contrast is interesting, yes. Personally, I hope that you can find a bit of optimism again.

[SandTrout]

I agree with Undertone. I hope that you don't mistake my disagreement with you, Zilizhra, for hostility. The people saying that they'll oppose humanity no matter what definitely draw my ire, but you just seem to believe (however naively) that a different path would be better for the species.

[OmegaXI]

SandTrout wrote...

I agree with Undertone. I hope that you don't mistake my disagreement with you, Zilizhra, for hostility. The people saying that they'll oppose humanity no matter what definitely draw my ire, but you just seem to believe (however naively) that a different path would be better for the species.

This

Let us agree to disagree

[Xilizhra]

SandTrout wrote...

I agree with Undertone. I hope that you don't mistake my disagreement with you, Zilizhra, for hostility. The people saying that they'll oppose humanity no matter what definitely draw my ire, but you just seem to believe (however naively) that a different path would be better for the species.

I admit that if it did come to an outright war, I would side with whichever side had the asari, because I'm fond of their culture. But I'd really rather it not come to that.

[SandTrout]

Xilizhra wrote...
I admit that if it did come to an outright war, I would side with whichever side had the asari, because I'm fond of their culture. But I'd really rather it not come to that.

Even though you would always be an outsider in that culture? Granted, due to the Asari's unique plot-devi... er... physiology, you would have a better opportuntity to assymilate than the other aliens, but you'd still essentially be seen as a traitor to your species (by myself as well). The better approach, IMO would be to try to replicate those aspects of Asari culture that you like in a subculture within the human species. That way your own species has a chance to evolve its own culture.

[Volus Warlord]

The Volus are the biggest threat to humanity. They can use their financial schemes to collapse the economy to such a huge extent so that humans cannot afford to eat and resort to mass cannibalism, effectively eradicating their race.