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[adam_grif]

Well you have to suspend disbelief a bit, of course.

You have to suspend disbelief a lot, actually.

[Sjofn]

MrDizaztar wrote...



I will say this now and I will say this again, it makes more sense for a race of alien females than a whole race of alien males. For the most part, Asari are mostly related to Earth mammals, as seen by bellybutton and breasts. We know Asari mate through their minds, but we don't know how the child is birthed. We can only assume that they birth their children live because to the bellybutton. So I ask you, does it make sense for a entire alien race to be male when males themselves cannot birth children?

It's less "only female doesn't make sense!" and more "It is ridiculous to continue to pretend a female Shepard romancing the clearly female Liara isn't gay." This thread isn't arguing only female is stupid or whatever, it's arguing saying the asari aren't female is.



I hate when people say romancing Liara isn't a gay romance for LadyShep. I am a straight lady. I could not possibly be less attracted to Liara. Because I am straight and not attracted to women.. I'd have my MANSHEP jump on Kaidan without a second thought. Because I am straight, and prefer men. If my LadyShep has the hots for Liara (and she does in plenty of people's games!), she is attracted to women. It doesn't even matter how Liara percieves it, LadyShep CLEARLY thinks of Liara as a woman, what with the whole "but we're both women!!!!" dialogue choice in ME1.

[SandTrout]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I wonder if straight guys would still 'mance Liara if she looked like this:



Seems pretty non-gendered to me.

Someone would still romance her. People romanced Garrus after all...

[DarthSliver]

So what do the Asari take from a mate if not genetics? To me it seems they at least take something like the Mates state of mind, but thats just a guess there.



I will admit I now alot more about Asari than i did before this thread lol. But like many, Asari are female and they are blue. Both of which i like, so yeah I always go for Liara whether i make a Femshep or a Maleshep.

[Weskerr]

jlb524 wrote...

Casey Hudson also said you could continue your ME1 romance in ME2 and thinks Liara is Tali (in the same interview I believe).....so, he's just BSing.

Or he doesn't know his own game and is making a fool of himself.

[AlexMBrennan]

LadyShep CLEARLY thinks of Liara as a woman, what with the whole "but we're both women!!!!" dialogue choice in ME1.

Are we counting possible dialogue choices now? Are you suggesting that Shepard is constantly struggling to not shoot the people she is having a pleasant conversation with?

I wonder if straight guys would still 'mance Liara if she looked like this:

Also, remember that Shepard is out there saving the galaxy and not playing Mass Effect. Would you expect an Avenger built based on in-game models (using blu-tack instead of eezo) to work? Of course not.

In any case, "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are only used for relationships between humans [e.g. human and non-human ape is neither straight nor gay, it's weird]. As such, I don't think that it is particularly helpful to label the relationship between Garrus/Liara/Tali and Shepard as "straight" or "gay" when it is neither.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:27 .

[Sjofn]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

LadyShep CLEARLY thinks of Liara as a woman, what with the whole "but we're both women!!!!" dialogue choice in ME1.

Are we counting possible dialogue choices now? Are you suggesting that Shepard is constantly struggling to not shoot the people she is having a pleasant conversation with?

I wouldn't say constantly struggling, but I sure would say the various dialogue wheel choices could flit across her mind before she picks one.

[jlb524]

What? FemShep does see Liara as a woman.

[Aurica]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I wonder if straight guys would still 'mance Liara if she looked like this:



Seems pretty non-gendered to me.

Well done.  I suspect there will still be people who will romance liara if Asaris look like this but the amount of people will significantly be much lesser. 

[didymos1120]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Asari do not take in gametes from their partner. Therefore, they are not undergoing sexual reproduction. Therefore they cannot be biologically considered female.

http://en.wikipedia....us_neomexicanus

Remarkably asari-like, these little critters.

[KainrycKarr]

didymos1120 wrote...

Interactive Civilian wrote...

Asari do not take in gametes from their partner. Therefore, they are not undergoing sexual reproduction. Therefore they cannot be biologically considered female.

http://en.wikipedia....us_neomexicanus

Remarkably asari-like, these little critters.

Almost as if the codex author wrote that wiki too...or vice versa.

/thread

[Sinapus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I wonder if straight guys would still 'mance Liara if she looked like this:



Seems pretty non-gendered to me.

....my favorite carbosilicate amorph is also non-gendered, though he seems to prefer the male pronouns to describe himself. (Which beats out LOTA, who dislikes puny pronouns.)

Something tells me asari looking like Schlock would make them very unattractive. To either gender. Even when he makes puppy dog eyes.

So it's obviously the "blue space babe" look... though oddly enough Liara's social awkwardness makes that fun. (Her embarrassment at misreading you if you friendzone her makes me wish for a "well, maybe later you're moving a bit fast" sort of dialogue option.)

[Winterfly]

Sjofn wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

I will say this now and I will say this again, it makes more sense for a race of alien females than a whole race of alien males. For the most part, Asari are mostly related to Earth mammals, as seen by bellybutton and breasts. We know Asari mate through their minds, but we don't know how the child is birthed. We can only assume that they birth their children live because to the bellybutton. So I ask you, does it make sense for a entire alien race to be male when males themselves cannot birth children?

It's less "only female doesn't make sense!" and more "It is ridiculous to continue to pretend a female Shepard romancing the clearly female Liara isn't gay." This thread isn't arguing only female is stupid or whatever, it's arguing saying the asari aren't female is.

I hate when people say romancing Liara isn't a gay romance for LadyShep. I am a straight lady. I could not possibly be less attracted to Liara. Because I am straight and not attracted to women.. I'd have my MANSHEP jump on Kaidan without a second thought. Because I am straight, and prefer men. If my LadyShep has the hots for Liara (and she does in plenty of people's games!), she is attracted to women. It doesn't even matter how Liara percieves it, LadyShep CLEARLY thinks of Liara as a woman, what with the whole "but we're both women!!!!" dialogue choice in ME1.

Sometimes humans need a little bit more of Krogan and go right to the point instead of being philsophers!  Liara and her species is seen as females. Matriarchs a pretty female term. So I think you're right. 

[adam_grif]

didymos1120 wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....us_neomexicanus

Remarkably asari-like, these little critters.

I'm not seeing your point here. They mock-mate, but they don't do it with other species and they don't do "randomizing DNA" nonsense like the Asari. The partheogenesis means that each successive generation is a clone of the last barring mutations.

They also aren't blue skinned space babes that can psychically communicate with others and use magic.

[Sinapus]

Well, there is that mysteeeeeeriouusss effect* asari supposedly have on other aliens, so that might make an otherwise heterosexual human female (...or, for that matter a homosexual human male) have that "oh my" reaction to an asari.

*="Asari offers -- oddly intriguing. Can't be pheromones. Hm. Must be neurochemical." -Mordin

Not sure if an off-hand comment is a really reliable source for that, though.

[adam_grif]

You're suggesting that the Asari release a chemical that has literally identical effects on people of every single species, even ones not even operating on the same biochemistry (Turians, Quarians), and ones who permanently live inside sealed suits (Quarians, Volus), and ones who don't have hormonally driven sexual urges (Salarians)?



Oh wait this is the same company that gave us the human smoothee machine, so you're probably right.

[Winterfly]

Mass Effect takes a lot of ****, Dragon Age dude. Is a flawed pieces of weird fantasy tale.



I do not find it so weird that the Asari through chemical substance and their minds effect others.

[Swanea]

Sjofn wrote...

MrDizaztar wrote...

I will say this now and I will say this again, it makes more sense for a race of alien females than a whole race of alien males. For the most part, Asari are mostly related to Earth mammals, as seen by bellybutton and breasts. We know Asari mate through their minds, but we don't know how the child is birthed. We can only assume that they birth their children live because to the bellybutton. So I ask you, does it make sense for a entire alien race to be male when males themselves cannot birth children?

It's less "only female doesn't make sense!" and more "It is ridiculous to continue to pretend a female Shepard romancing the clearly female Liara isn't gay." This thread isn't arguing only female is stupid or whatever, it's arguing saying the asari aren't female is.

I hate when people say romancing Liara isn't a gay romance for LadyShep. I am a straight lady. I could not possibly be less attracted to Liara. Because I am straight and not attracted to women.. I'd have my MANSHEP jump on Kaidan without a second thought. Because I am straight, and prefer men. If my LadyShep has the hots for Liara (and she does in plenty of people's games!), she is attracted to women. It doesn't even matter how Liara percieves it, LadyShep CLEARLY thinks of Liara as a woman, what with the whole "but we're both women!!!!" dialogue choice in ME1.

I think this is what matters.  
To a human being, we will call them female.  Of course Asari have no meaning to that word before hand, we gave it to them.  But until human culture could really accept aliens for what they are of their species, a human female romancing an asari would show the female has a leaning towards other females.

I don't think 26 years that the game says from first contact to now for humans to associate aliens to what they are.

Are they female? To us, yes.  Are they feminine? To us, yes.  But to them, they are just Asari.

[didymos1120]

Swanea wrote...


I don't think 26 years that the game says from first contact to now for humans to associate aliens to what they are.

26 or 260, it won't change anything: to a human, the asari will still look like billions upon billions of blue chicks, and any female human who hooks up with one (or more) on a regular basis will very likely prefer the ladies of her own species.  Or will be being paid by the publishers of Fornax.

Modifié par didymos1120, 28 janvier 2011 - 10:13 .

[Suron]

seriously people??

Asari are "considered" female because that's how BioWare intended them when they MADE THEM UP.

There is NO NEED for this scientific/ethical/biological breakdown you all are doing.  It's idiotic.

They are how they are because that's how the imaginery race was designed to be by it's HUMAN CREATORS at BioWare.

end of discussion.

[Avilia]

Sinapus wrote...

Well, there is that mysteeeeeeriouusss effect* asari supposedly have on other aliens, so that might make an otherwise heterosexual human female (...or, for that matter a homosexual human male) have that "oh my" reaction to an asari.

*="Asari offers -- oddly intriguing. Can't be pheromones. Hm. Must be neurochemical." -Mordin

Not sure if an off-hand comment is a really reliable source for that, though.

The males attending the bachelor party for the Salarian on Ilium all comment that the Asari stripper appears to them to resemble their own race.  Perhaps that's an effect of Mordin's chemical?

And why Asari appear to Shepard to resemble human females (excepting the skin colouring and head shape)?

Modifié par Avilia, 28 janvier 2011 - 10:20 .

[didymos1120]

Avilia wrote...

The males attending the bachelor party for the Salarian on Ilium all comment that the Asari stripper appears to them to resemble their own race.  Perhaps that's an effect of Mordin's chemical?

What chemical? 

And why Asari appear to Shepard to resemble human females (excepting the skin colouring and head shape)?

Yeah, I'm gonna say the reason they appear to resemble human females is that they resemble human females.

[didymos1120]

Suron wrote...
end of discussion.

Yeah, unfortunately, a distressingly large number of people can't seem to grasp the dead obvious. Thus, additional rhetorical implements are required.