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Asari: The Monogendered Aliens

Débuté par Ryzaki , janv. 28 2011 04:33

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adam_grif
Posté 28 janvier 2011 - 10:54

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Yeah, I'm gonna say the reason they appear to resemble human females is that they resemble human females.




Yeah they obviously are human shaped since they fit inside human armors. Photographs also exist, as well as iconographic representations of the species. If they looked different to different species it would be painfully obvious.

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Posté 28 janvier 2011 - 11:27

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BTW: The "neurochemical" theory, if you get the relevant conversation with Mordin, does sound like an off-hand guess, or a SWAG. (He is a Scientist Salarian, after all.) So take it or leave it.

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Posté 28 janvier 2011 - 08:43

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You think to much on things that is not really important, are they?



Asari is made to be bit of a fan service im pretty sure. They are the Twi'lek of Mass Effect, you know the tentacle head females of Star Wars everyone seemingly got a thing for? The Asari race of Star Wars.

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Posté 28 janvier 2011 - 09:17

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

I wonder if straight guys would still 'mance Liara if she looked like this:

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Seems pretty non-gendered to me.


That's actually Tali concept art for ME3.  Guess we'll find out if folks will still romance her.

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Posté 28 janvier 2011 - 09:23

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Nozybidaj wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I wonder if straight guys would still 'mance Liara if she looked like this:

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Seems pretty non-gendered to me.


That's actually Tali concept art for ME3.  Guess we'll find out if folks will still romance her.


personally no... i mean if she looked like the martian queen in duck dogers... maybe. doubt that head fits in tali's helmet. And black eyes dont shine silver.


still that little squid from men in black was pretty cute... w/e that thing is. cute eyes. :P

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 28 janvier 2011 - 09:23 .

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Posté 28 janvier 2011 - 09:28

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Well, they could have made a better example of a "mono gendered" species, but I like Liara and the Asari, so I wont complain. I think they are interesting.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 06:26

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Ok, I'll try to explain.
 
The same thing cannot be said with Tali. Her species aren’t monogendered; they do have males and females.
 
As for the asari, their species lacks biological sexes, so it's wrong to refer them as all-female.
They are monogendered -- but they are neither male or female. The reason we refer to them as females is because they are female-looking to us and it makes things easier for us.
 
The asari are an alien species, they are from an entirely different planet so their biology and society does not match the same rules as ours. Having a single gender existence means that gender as a whole has no meaning for them. To make it easier for humans and other two gender species to comprehend it is simplest to just call them all "female."
 
"Female" wouldn't mean anything to an asari. So "female" is just a label applied to the asari by us and other species that display sexual dimorphism.
The words "he" and "she" don’t match them, none of the things that are masculine and feminine match them. Even the word “it” wouldn’t match them.
To asari --> asari aren't female.
To asari --> asari are just asari.
So as someone already mentioned, what we are doing is called anthropomorphizng. And this isn’t a nice thing because if you follow Legion’s quote, which you can get during his loyalty mission, you will realize that this is racism. So whoever calls the asari female is being racist.
 
Sure, the codex does call them an all-female race but I take it as an error. The codex isn’t just wrong about Sovereign and the extinct rachni, it’s also horribly wrong when it comes to explaining about thermal clips.
Liara herself says that she isn’t a women or a female. She is an asari so why bother arguing against her. I take it she knows best.
And Casey Hudson said it himself. He is not totally wrong by calling the asari asexual because they do somewhat reproduce that way.

Or think about it this way -- imagine a monogendered alien species who are nothing like human women but instead they are very ugly abominations that can have sex with anything. Would you consider them female?

Asari are not female.

I hope this makes some sense.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 06:41

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didymos1120 wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....us_neomexicanus


There are also many fungi that reproduce like the asari and we don't call them female.

Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 04 décembre 2011 - 02:16 .

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 07:01

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
There are also many fungi that reproduce like the asari and we don't call them female.


Um, no.  If something reproduces like the asari, it reproduces parthenogentically and is therefore, by definition, female.  Besides which, asari aren't even remotely analogous to fungi.  They are however ridiculously analogous to human women.

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 11:15

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didymos1120 wrote...
Um, no.  If something reproduces like the asari, it reproduces parthenogentically and is therefore, by definition, female.  Besides which, asari aren't even remotely analogous to fungi.  They are however ridiculously analogous to human women.


I didn’t say that it was a perfect analogy. My point was that I don’t see any logical reason to call a species female when they only come in one variety.

Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 12 juin 2011 - 12:15 .

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Posté 30 janvier 2011 - 11:52

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Monogender =/= No gender
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