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[AdmiralCheez]

I was gonna do a poll for this, but there are too many combos...

Anyway, what if it wasn't Ash and Kaidan you had to choose between on Virmire, but two other squadmates?  What choice would have been the hardest for you?  What would have been the easiet?

For me, I would have cried if I had to choose between Garrus and Wrex, but always gone with Liara if it was between Liara and Ash.  Not that I don't like Ash (I like her as a character more than Liara), but I'd get all metagamey and stuff, plus poor Chief Williams hardly ever sees combat in my playthroughs.

Granted, I can't help but choke up a little every time I have to leave someone behind.  Call me a sissy.

[raynbow]

i would've left both ash and kaidan

because they sadden me in the future *sniffles*



but it would be hard between garrus and tali

liara and wrex...i'd probably let liara go, but then there would be no me2 i suppose

hmmm

[FireEye]

Ashley and Kaidan already was the hardest for me.  Given the choice, I would have left anyone else, except either of them. 

[Ryzaki]

Anyone except Kaidan, Garrus and Wrex I wouldn't have had a hard time leaving behind.

[Aidoru Kami]

Garrus and Liara... that would have been incredibly hard for me. Pretty much any combination between Garrus, Liara, and Wrex really. But Garrus and Liara would probably be the hardest for me.



Ashley and Kaiden was shocking to me, as I hadn't really felt that the game HAD a very harrowing choice up to that point. (Encounter with Wrex aside) That said, it was hard, but mostly because it was unexpected. I'm ALWAYS going to choose Kaiden. Why? Because he's Carth. Every time I hear him I think Carth... and I just can't kill Carth. I just can't. Sorry Ash... but you did kill Wrex one time.

[amers1015]

I didn't mind a bit leaving Ash behind. Everything about her annoyed the crap out of me. Kaidan annoyed me too, but nothing like Ashley.



I wouldn't have liked to have had to leave Garrus or Liara.

[Sjofn]

Garrus versus Kaidan would've been tough for me, as that was who my LadyShep ran with most in my first playthrough, and they're my favorites from ME1. Tali would've been rough to throw in there, not because I especially like her in ME1, but I think she's the bee's knees in ME2, and I would also get all metagamey at that point.

Ashley eats it every time for me. Every. Time. I don't hate her, exactly, but I almost never use her and the whole RRR ALIENZ thing bugs me. Basically, she's well written, she's well rounded, she's an asskickin' lady, but I would not like to hang out with her, if that makes sense.

Modifié par Sjofn, 28 janvier 2011 - 07:29 .

[shatteredstar56]

Tali vs Liara, I would have shut the computer down, or made someone else play to choose for me.

Garrus vs Wrex, I would have had a tough time but chosen Garrus in the end. Kaiden vs Ashley, it was an easy pick because I prefer Ashley's conversations to Kaiden's anyway.

[Estelindis]

Personally, I would have had a huge difficulty with any choice. But here's the thing. Ashley and Kaidan are members of Shepard's crew in a different sense compared to the rest of the squadmates. They are Alliance military and its their duty to follow Shep's orders.* They knew the risks when they signed on and accepted them bravely.

Now, you might say that the alien squad members all signed on freely as part of Shepard's crew and freely chose to risk their lives in combat and follow Shepard's orders as a result. Yet, somehow, I don't feel that Shepard quite has the same right to sacrifice them (if anyone lost at Virmire could truly be described this way - the fact is that Ash or Kai, or whoever else we might substitute here, freely chooses to sacrifice herself or himself so that the mission could be completed and others might live).

If we're just going to look at things from the perspective of which characters I liked most or least, I'd have to save Kaidan and Wrex... Maybe I'd leave behind Tali or Liara? (I like their characters, but they grew a lot more in ME2 and LotSB respectively, compared to how they come across in ME1.) Some, in roleplaying terms, I just don't feel I have the right. The spirit of Mass Effect, to me, is all about overcoming inter-species differences and working together against a greater threat, rather than allowing our differences to pull us apart so much that we've exhausted ourselves fighting each other by the time the Reapers come. Towards that end of unity, humans giving up their lives to save aliens fits in with the spirit of the choice that my Shepard makes at the end of the game, when many Alliance lives are lost to save the Destiny Ascension. So, much as I hate to choose between Ashley and Kaidan, ultimately it would have to be one of them. (Unless Shepard could sacrifice himself or herself - but that would ultimately be selfish, considering the special prothean knowledge Shepard has imprinted in his or her brain. Shepard owes it to the galaxy to try to stay alive.)

*  That said, becoming a Spectre confuses matters.  Is
Shepard ultimately commanded by the Council or the Alliance?  If by the
Council, where does Shepard really stand in the Alliance chain of
command, particularly concerning Ashley and Kaidan?

Modifié par Estelindis, 28 janvier 2011 - 04:43 .

[Deathwurm]

I wouldn't have been able to choose between Garrus and Wrex, if that was the way things had gone.

To be honest...I found both Ash & Kaiden really fell flat as characters when compared to the rest of the Squad...that may be just because it was interesting to learn about the Alien Squadmates as individuals and their races.

I've just finished my 2nd playthrough and I left Kaiden behind both times...seems I really have it in for that guy! lol

[sarahN7]

Garrus and Wrex would have been pretty much impossible for me. Tali would be the third hardest to have to get rid of. Then Ash, Liara, and Kaidan (in that order).

[Trintrin86]

FireEye wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan already was the hardest for me.  Given the choice, I would have left anyone else, except either of them. 

+1

Prior to ME2 I would have had no trouble leaving Garrus behind if I had the option.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Estelindis: Good point. Never thought of it that way.

[smithgroup]

shatteredstar56 wrote...

Tali vs Liara, I would have shut the computer down, or made someone else play to choose for me.
Garrus vs Wrex, I would have had a tough time but chosen Garrus in the end. Kaiden vs Ashley, it was an easy pick because I prefer Ashley's conversations to Kaiden's anyway.

Exactly 100% this

[SammyJB17]

Garrus vs. Liara. Surprised I haven't seen this one up there yet, two of my faves. Tali comes in close, though.

[FireEye]

Estelindis wrote...

Personally, I would have had a huge difficulty with any choice. But here's the thing. Ashley and Kaidan are members of Shepard's crew in a different sense compared to the rest of the squadmates. They are Alliance military and its their duty to follow Shep's orders.* They knew the risks when they signed on and accepted them bravely.

Now, you might say that the alien squad members all signed on freely as part of Shepard's crew and freely chose to risk their lives in combat and follow Shepard's orders as a result. Yet, somehow, I don't feel that Shepard quite has the same right to sacrifice them (if anyone lost at Virmire could truly be described this way - the fact is that Ash or Kai, or whoever else we might substitute here, freely chooses to sacrifice herself or himself so that the mission could be completed and others might live).

If we're just going to look at things from the perspective of which characters I liked most or least, I'd have to save Kaidan and Wrex... Maybe I'd leave behind Tali or Liara? (I like their characters, but they grew a lot more in ME2 and LotSB respectively, compared to how they come across in ME1.) Some, in roleplaying terms, I just don't feel I have the right. The spirit of Mass Effect, to me, is all about overcoming inter-species differences and working together against a greater threat, rather than allowing our differences to pull us apart so much that we've exhausted ourselves fighting each other by the time the Reapers come. Towards that end of unity, humans giving up their lives to save aliens fits in with the spirit of the choice that my Shepard makes at the end of the game, when many Alliance lives are lost to save the Destiny Ascension. So, much as I hate to choose between Ashley and Kaidan, ultimately it would have to be one of them. (Unless Shepard could sacrifice himself or herself - but that would ultimately be selfish, considering the special prothean knowledge Shepard has imprinted in his or her brain. Shepard owes it to the galaxy to try to stay alive.)

*  That said, becoming a Spectre confuses matters.  Is
Shepard ultimately commanded by the Council or the Alliance?  If by the
Council, where does Shepard really stand in the Alliance chain of
command, particularly concerning Ashley and Kaidan?

I might agree with you on sending someone to help the salarians, but not to arm the bomb.  As far as you know, you've secured the area - and if you want a tech expert, you have Tali and arguably Garrus who are at least equally competent as Kaidan and more competent than Ashley.

From an IC standpoint, you don't go into Virmire expecting to sacrifice someone more than any other planet or mission, or you ought not to use the aliens at all as a part of your squad (since they could be "sacrificed" at any time).

As for Shepard... I, uh... don't see much selfishness in self-sacrifice.  Ill thought out, maybe, but not really selfish.

Not that it matters, I suppose.  What's written is written. 

[Estelindis]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Estelindis: Good point. Never thought of it that way.

Thank you.

FireEye wrote...

I might agree with you on sending someone to help the salarians, but not to arm the bomb.  As far as you know, you've secured the area - and if you want a tech expert, you have Tali and arguably Garrus who are at least equally competent as Kaidan and more competent than Ashley.

This is a fair point.  Also, it just occurs to me, Kirrahe asks for an Alliance crewmember specifically, doesn't he?  (Something to do with communications protocols.)  So I think that if we're going to be realistic about what could actually happen, it would have to be Ashley or Kaidan (with the salarians) vs. one of the others (at the bomb).  And, RP-wise, it would really have to be Tali, Garrus or Kaidan (assuming you didn't send him with the salarians), as Wrex and Liara aren't really tech experts (although you might make a case for Liara with her electronics skill).  If we do this, it becomes even more of a mirror of the choice between sacrificing human or alien lives at the end of the game.

FireEye wrote...

As for Shepard... I, uh... don't see much selfishness in self-sacrifice.  Ill thought out, maybe, but not really selfish.

I mean it would be selfish if Shepard sacrificed herself or himself because of not being able to bear the thought of sacrificing someone else.  In this situation, Shepard wouldn't want to face the responsibility or the pain and would take a "glorious, noble" self-sacrifice as the way out.  I don't mean it would be selfish if the self-sacrifice was genuine (albeit poorly conceived, given Shepard's special status).

As a total side-point, I don't feel that Shepard's uniqueness re. the prothean beacon data is adequately explored at all points in ME2.  Given that Liara and Shiala are, IIRC, the only two survivors after Shepard's death who have shared the beacon vision, I really think Liara should have recruited Shiala to help make preparations of some kind for the Reapers.  I kinda get how her quest to stop the Shadow Broker is related to the overall plot, given the SB's links to the Reapers via the Collectors, but at times I still think Liara had a responsibility to take more steps than just waiting for Shepard.  I don't know...  What if the Lazarus Project had never worked out?

FireEye wrote...
Not that it matters, I suppose.  What's written is written. 

Indeed.    Though, thankfully, this is also true regarding my above off-topic musings. 

Modifié par Estelindis, 28 janvier 2011 - 07:22 .

[FireEye]

Estelindis wrote...

I mean it would be selfish if Shepard sacrificed herself or himself because of not being able to bear the thought of sacrificing someone else.  In this situation, Shepard wouldn't want to face the responsibility or the pain and would take a "glorious, noble" self-sacrifice as the way out.  I don't mean it would be selfish if the self-sacrifice was genuine (albeit poorly conceived, given Shepard's special status).

Okay, that makes more sense and I agree.  XD

Estelindis wrote...

As a total side-point, I don't feel that Shepard's uniqueness re. the prothean beacon data is adequately explored at all points in ME2.  Given that Liara and Shiala are, IIRC, the only two survivors after Shepard's death who have shared the beacon vision, I really think Liara should have recruited Shiala to help make preparations of some kind for the Reapers.  I kinda get how her quest to stop the Shadow Broker is related to the overall plot, given the SB's links to the Reapers via the Collectors, but at times I still think Liara had a responsibility to take more steps than just waiting for Shepard.  I don't know...  What if the Lazarus Project had never worked out?

Yeah, I would have liked more of the Cipher/beacon/Prothean connection, too.  I hope that maybe it'll pop up in ME3... but since Feros was left out of Genesis, I'm not sure it's important past ME1. 

[Elvis_Mazur]

I like all of them. Some more than others, but, still, any combination would be hard to me.

Modifié par PetrySilva, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:45 .

[Winterfly]

I would say, let the freaking Maco and three others guard the damn bomb.

[Leashy]

I had no problem leaving Kaidan/Ashley behind, they both bothered me but if I had to chose between wrex and liara i'd be pissed since both of them are my favorite.

[Winterfly]

I still say, the humans are the most disturbed people you have in your team! And I sort of find that pretty interesting and I like it. Humans adjust well to things, but it also makes them so god damn hard to predict and makes them do the strangest damn things and be so diffrent from each others.

[Chignon]

FireEye wrote...

Ashley and Kaidan already was the hardest for me.  Given the choice, I would have left anyone else, except either of them. 

This is how I feel most of the time.

[Merlin 47]

raynbow wrote...

but it would be hard between garrus and tali

Ditto

Between Ash and Kaiden?  Meh.....bye Kaiden.
Anyone else with Ash would have been a bit more difficult.  Anyone together except for Ash and Kaiden, that'd be tough. 

Anyone with Kaiden?  ....See above.

[ForumHelper]

Garrus or Tali.



This would be the hardest choice for me.