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[jeweledleah]

on that - yes. the problem with virmire is that it had a predetermined death and there was absolutely NOTHING you could do to stop it. no decision you made affected it one bit. and that's what I hated about it.

[FireEye]

Abispa wrote...

I'm not a fan of people wanting the option of killing off only the people they didn't like and fixing the game so that all their favorites live. In a game that is supposed to simulate combat, that has never really rung true for me. I realize that it would be impossible to make a character that EVERY player loves or hates (even Jacob and Conrad Vernor have both fans and detractors), but I'd have loved, from a dramatic role-playing standpoint, to have been forced into situation where it is IMPOSSIBLE to save everyone, either by choice like Virmire or random deaths like the suicide mission. Yes, there would be babies whining about losing their favorites, but they need to change their diapers and realize that Bioware can make a better "mature" video game by giving us deaths that have meaningful emotional impact.

Um... that was the implication, wasn't it?

"Since many people don't care about Kaidan or Ashley: who would have been the truly tough choice"? 

I do think the suicide mission failed as a suicide mission, but... uh... plenty of games have permanant character death of characters in tough situations, some of which on release turn out to be fan-favorites.  They don't even have to be Rated M. 

[jeweledleah]

Aerith Gainsborough.

[Abispa]

I mean "mature" as a realistic game made for adults, not a game with boobies, blood, and f-bombs. You don't have to have an "M" rating to be for mature adults, and most "M" games are really immature.

[nevar00]

GLaDOS-03 wrote...

If virmire had been different, i would've left tali, made a party, and got happily drunk.

Aw... how could you've killed Tali?    I know she didn't have the most interesting things to say in ME 1, but I thought she was one of the most likeable squadmembers along with Wrex.  

[Null_]

nevar00 wrote...

GLaDOS-03 wrote...

If virmire had been different, i would've left tali, made a party, and got happily drunk.

Aw... how could you've killed Tali?    I know she didn't have the most interesting things to say in ME 1, but I thought she was one of the most likeable squadmembers along with Wrex.  

Ah yes "Tali haters" We have dismissed that claim..
(hint01: Tali has huge fanbase. "hating" her causes allot of attention.hint02: some people seek attention online.hint03:they are mostly trolls)

Modifié par Null_, 19 février 2011 - 10:03 .

[Null_]

Abispa wrote...

I mean "mature" as a realistic game made for adults, not a game with boobies, blood, and f-bombs. You don't have to have an "M" rating to be for mature adults, and most "M" games are really immature.

having M rating makes the game atractive to....Teens. Yup. It works like a magnet. Some games WANT to get that rating just becuse it brings more sales.So they throw in more boobs,blood, and curses. Works great and sales rise
Several gaming series went from T rating to M rating.Just for that reason

Modifié par Null_, 19 février 2011 - 10:05 .

[Null_]

jeweledleah wrote...

Aerith Gainsborough.

Wasnt a choice tho.
Imagine if it was choice of Tifa or Aerith.

[jeweledleah]

Null_ wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Aerith Gainsborough.

Wasnt a choice tho.
Imagine if it was choice of Tifa or Aerith.

that would have been even worse.  it would have been virmire. death you cannot prevent is bad enough.

[Abispa]

Tali and Miranda both have fan bases that almost MAKE me want to hate them. I think Miranda is a character with great potential, but I'm not going to go on an on about how her behind looks. But when I post that I'm not in love with her, I get people challenging my sexual persuasion. I like Tali a lot, but I once posted a response on a thread where I disagreed another player and watched for two days as post after post came in challenging my intelligence and manhood because I wasn't turned on by her "sexy nervousness." I always had a parent / daughter relationship with her, even my renegades, and I find the romance to be... really creepy.

[huntrrz]

jeweledleah wrote...

on that - yes. the problem with virmire is that it had a predetermined death and there was absolutely NOTHING you could do to stop it. no decision you made affected it one bit. and that's what I hated about it.

I know what you mean - I had the same reaction when Wing Commander II pulled out scripted deaths on me - twice.

(But I guess it innoculated me.  I was shocked to lose someone in ME but not outraged.)

[Darth_Ravor]

if i had to choose between garrus and tali i would stay there and die with them.easiest to choose would be.... i dont know i liked them all except for kaiden.

[Ice Cold J]

I agree in that I would've liked the chance to keep everyone alive, like in ME2, but I'll have to live with that.

In order of whom I'd kept alive:
Liara
Ash
Wrex
Garrus
Kaidan
Tali (granted, this was before I actually used her AT ALL, so I didn't find out how cool she was until after my first playthrough or two).

[Bonezmccoy]

Tali / Liara. That would have been my Esc-Exit-Yes moment. As it was, I was almost glad to put Ash down there - it almost redeemed the species-ist wretch.

That said, glad's the wrong word. I didn't like having to make a choice. I know it's supposed to add an "epic sense of reality and consequence" to the game, but... it's not reality. In the real world there are no Prothean beacons. No Mass Effect Relays. No Commander Shepards. In the real world people get picked to die all the time. It's also not epic. Well... in the classical sense, I guess it is, but we are long since past Greek tragedy as an entertainment form. In modern epic sci-fi, there needs to be a way to swoop in and make a dramatic rescue, either before death from near-death, or even post-death. Did Han Solo get stuck hanging on the wall of Jabba's Palace? Did Mr. Spock get left on Genesis? In every grand sci fi saga, the right-hand of the lead character (almost an equal lead) gets put on the verge of sacrifice, only to somehow come out of it alive. Characters one level down from that character, on the other hand... well they wear red shirts for a reason.

It hides the bloodstains.

Here's hoping that the Virmire Victim comes back...

You may now begin flaming me.

Modifié par Bonezmccoy, 23 février 2011 - 02:27 .

[Muzza1997]

The Virmire Chapter of the game was probably one of the worst because of one thing... You had to pick which Team Mate dies and which one survives! It made me feel empty having to make that decision! I loved both Ashley and Kaiden! I of course picked Kaiden to die and Ashlet to live! Ashley had more Personality and had much more screen time than Kaiden ever did! Kaiden was cool and he was horribly under rated! I also picked Ashley for the Romantic scene of course!

[Melra]

The hardest ones are the ones, that I have to choose from already. If it could be differently, I'd definitely leave Tali behind.

[Hobosapien]

Hated to do it, but I left Kaiden. Just never meshed with his character. Doing a run now where he'll live, just for options in ME3.



toughest would be Tali/Garrus.

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

Null_ wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

GLaDOS-03 wrote...

If virmire had been different, i would've left tali, made a party, and got happily drunk.

Aw... how could you've killed Tali?    I know she didn't have the most interesting things to say in ME 1, but I thought she was one of the most likeable squadmembers along with Wrex.  

Ah yes "Tali haters" We have dismissed that claim..
(hint01: Tali has huge fanbase. "hating" her causes allot of attention.hint02: some people seek attention online.hint03:they are mostly trolls)

Funny, just because i hate tali, and you can't accept that because you're such a big fan, doesn't mean i'm a troll, people do have different opinions, get over it.

[reekus]

The only squadmate I didn't love was Ashley, so I would have an awful time trying to pick someone else. I think I might possibly maybe choose Liara to die because I love her a smidgen less than the other three, or with retrospect Wrex, since his part in ME2 is small anyway. I'm glad they didn't do it differently!

[GlennWH]

shatteredstar56 wrote...

Tali vs Liara, I would have shut the computer down, or made someone else play to choose for me. <br />
Garrus vs Wrex, I would have had a tough time but chosen Garrus in the end. Kaiden vs Ashley, it was an easy pick because I prefer Ashley's conversations to Kaiden's anyway.

Absolutely this.

Truth is, I sacrificed Kaiden in all but 2 runs- a FemShep run to see how the romance played thru, and my Atoner run (Colonist/Ruthless, Renegade until X-57, then switched to badass Paragon) where I romanced and sacrificed Ashley just to set up for max angst in ME2.

Kaiden's a great character, but the one I used least, and the one I had the easiest time letting go.

[danitiwa]

I didn't really care, to me it was like chosing whether to support ****** or crap. Neither of them were that interesting, although they both have lovely touching backstory they don't do much other than annoy the daylights out of me. I mean, they're not that awful as characters. Pretty good actually, but compared to all the other cool people on the Normandy they seem really boring and narrow minded.

Modifié par danitiwa, 01 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[J0HNL3I]

if it was choose between garrus or wrex i would have broke the disc and set the remains on fire

[Ymladdych]

The current setup made Ashley an easy choice for me because I found her extremely abrasive, plus I used Kaiden all the time.  (It helped that I played ME1 after ME2, too, so I was prepared for what was coming.)

A harder choice would have been Garrus vs. Kaiden.  (a loved character vs. a lukewarmly-liked tactical favorite)

Wrex would have won all permutations, because he was loved and tactically favored.

If I could've simply picked one out of the crowd, though, it would've been Liara's Mary Blue butt just out of principle.  (Super beautiful but still super sweet and shy, super biotic, super smart, super meld-sex, and in LOTSB, super badass...ugh.)

But like someone else said, that decision would have made ME2 the shortest video game ever.  *sighs*

[Jimbe2693]

Garrus and Kaidan would be the hardest for me.
Choosing between one bromance or the other, tough decision.

Had no trouble sacrificing Ash. I don't share her 'Earth must stand alone' view. I found Kaidan a much more likeable character, someone I could chill with