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[ForceXev]

I noticed the following blurb on bioware.com for ME3:

Earth is burning. Striking from beyond known space, a race of terrifying
machines have begun their destruction of the human race. As Commander
Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving mankind is to
rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to
take back the Earth.

It says "Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine..."  This seems to strongly suggest he/she will not be working with Cerberus again in ME3.

If that's the case, then I think it is very unlikely that Miranda will be on the crew in ME3.  She's Cerberus through and through -- I think it would be out of character for her to serve on an Alliance ship.  It's a little more plausible for Jacob to be on the ME3 crew, but still very unlikely. 

ME2's more shady characters are also not likely to be accepted on an Alliance crew.  Zaeed the mercenary.  Kasumi the thief.  Thane the assassin.  Morinth the Ardat-Yakshi.  Jack the ... whatever she is.  It was fine for them to be part of Shepherd's Cerberus crew, but it's hard to imagine a bunch of criminals working on an Alliance ship.

That leaves Tali, Garrus, Mordin, Samara, Legion and Grunt.  I think these six are the characters that are the most likely to return as part of the crew in ME3 based on the assumption that Shepard will be with the Alliance again and not Cerberus.

[Xilizhra]

Have you not finished ME2 yet?

[Manic Sheep]

Eh the Alliance are **** too, Shep needs to go inde.

Plus Shep hasn't technically been and alliance marine since he/she was made a spectre but was still referred to as one. I don't think that blurb means we will be going back to the alliance (tho we may well be).

Also Miranda quits if you blew up the base so she's not so loyal to Cerb after all.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 29 janvier 2011 - 01:53 .

[ZachForrest]

Time for Shep to go freelancin' i reckon

[DarthSliver]

I think you should be working with Liara whether you do the DLC or not. For the people that didnt do the DLC they could have information put in to recap why Liara is the Shadowbroker.

[Zulu_DFA]

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

[Encarmine]

hmm, i dunno about that Zulu, KIA is a sure way to end ones career.



So he gets listed as KIA.

Then 2 years later reappears, so his status, at the very best, can be listed as AWOL for 2+ years.

For a millitary, that means hes a looong way off being able to just 'report in'

But this is sci-fi, so I dont expect this to be held against him.



Also OP, your telling me the Alliance would rather have a Geth on board their ship, instead of a former Alliance soldier like Zaeed, your logic is screwed up bad.

[Bullets McDeath]

Manic Sheep wrote...


Also Miranda quits if you blew up the base so she's not so loyal to Cerb after all.

What? <_<

[Shadowrun1177]

Encarmine wrote...

hmm, i dunno about that Zulu, KIA is a sure way to end ones career.

So he gets listed as KIA.
Then 2 years later reappears, so his status, at the very best, can be listed as AWOL for 2+ years.
For a millitary, that means hes a looong way off being able to just 'report in'
But this is sci-fi, so I dont expect this to be held against him.

Also OP, your telling me the Alliance would rather have a Geth on board their ship, instead of a former Alliance soldier like Zaeed, your logic is screwed up bad.

Where do you get Zaeed was a former Alliance soldier, he was one of the founders of the Blue Suns. It never say's he is former Alliance only a Bounty Hunter and Former Mercenary. The Normandy SR-2 isn't Alliance ship either, it was created by Cerberus for Shepard's use.

[Encarmine]

dont make me go looking for it, but 100% im damn sure its stated Zaeed was in the Alliance befor even founding the bluesuns. In game codex info/LotSB info or dossier info from tIM

[Zulu_DFA]

Encarmine wrote...

hmm, i dunno about that Zulu, KIA is a sure way to end ones career.

So he gets listed as KIA.
Then 2 years later reappears, so his status, at the very best, can be listed as AWOL for 2+ years.
For a millitary, that means hes a looong way off being able to just 'report in'
But this is sci-fi, so I dont expect this to be held against him.

Also OP, your telling me the Alliance would rather have a Geth on board their ship, instead of a former Alliance soldier like Zaeed, your logic is screwed up bad.

Sure, AWOL for 2+ years. Still, he is an Alliance Marine.

As for it being held against him... Locking him up in a brig is a hell of a way to bust him to "Level 1" in ME3.

[Undertone]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

hmm, i dunno about that Zulu, KIA is a sure way to end ones career.

So he gets listed as KIA.
Then 2 years later reappears, so his status, at the very best, can be listed as AWOL for 2+ years.
For a millitary, that means hes a looong way off being able to just 'report in'
But this is sci-fi, so I dont expect this to be held against him.

Also OP, your telling me the Alliance would rather have a Geth on board their ship, instead of a former Alliance soldier like Zaeed, your logic is screwed up bad.

Sure, AWOL for 2+ years. Still, he is an Alliance Marine.

As for it being held against him... Locking him up in a brig is a hell of a way to bust him to "Level 1" in ME3.

I agree with you on this one, Shepard being incarcerated is a really cool idea. It makes sense story-wise and it's much better then the so called "death" that ME2 does (not to mention more believable).

Modifié par Undertone, 29 janvier 2011 - 03:06 .

[JamieCOTC]

Undertone wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

hmm, i dunno about that Zulu, KIA is a sure way to end ones career.

So he gets listed as KIA.
Then 2 years later reappears, so his status, at the very best, can be listed as AWOL for 2+ years.
For a millitary, that means hes a looong way off being able to just 'report in'
But this is sci-fi, so I dont expect this to be held against him.

Also OP, your telling me the Alliance would rather have a Geth on board their ship, instead of a former Alliance soldier like Zaeed, your logic is screwed up bad.

Sure, AWOL for 2+ years. Still, he is an Alliance Marine.

As for it being held against him... Locking him up in a brig is a hell of a way to bust him to "Level 1" in ME3.

I agree with you on this one, Shepard being incarcerated is a really cool idea. It makes sense story-wise and it's much better then the so called "death" that ME2 does (not to mention more believable).

All I can add is ... THIS!

[Manic Sheep]

outlaworacle wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...


Also Miranda quits if you blew up the base so she's not so loyal to Cerb after all.

What? <_<

....What?

Ohhhh right you only get that if she's with you at the time so allot of people probably didn't see that.

If you take Miranda with you to the final fight and opt to blow up the base the illusive man will order her to kill you. She refuses and quits.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 29 janvier 2011 - 04:15 .

[Someone With Mass]

Whatever I have to sign to "rejoin" the Alliance, I'll do it.

[Yakko77]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

IIRC, Udina says, "You were a humans before you were a Spectre."


Shepard basically has dual loyalties now, both Spectre and Alliance.  Even in ME1 when he/she was a Spectre, Adm. Hacket was still sending missions.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

You can get Miranda to quit cerberus in me2 if you go paragon.

[ForceXev]

Huh, I didn't know that about Miranda quitting Cerberus at the end. Still, that's a very specific event in which TIM forces her to choose between Cerberus and the commander who she has grown to respect. If that doesn't happen, she remains a Cerberus cheerleader. Even if she does quit the Cerbs, I still think it would be odd for her to be hanging around on an Alliance ship. I just don't see it happening.



Regarding Zaeed... pretty sure he was never an Alliance soldier. You might be confusing him with Jacob...?



Regarding Legion - yes, that would be a sticky situation and it would take a clever bit of writing to put him on an Alliance crew without it being too weird. But I think of all the characters in ME2, Legion had the least chance for development in ME2 and has the most potential as a recruitable character in ME3. Considering that Legion (and indeed his entire race of "true" geth) has never committed acts against the Alliance as far as we know, I think they'd recognize his potential and let him in.

[Zulu_DFA]

Yakko77 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

IIRC, Udina says, "You were a humans before you were a Spectre."


Shepard basically has dual loyalties now, both Spectre and Alliance.  Even in ME1 when he/she was a Spectre, Adm. Hacket was still sending missions.

In the military it's not uncommon to "attach" a serviceman from one unit to another. Such a person takes orders and is supplied, and is the responsibility of the command of the unit he (she) is attached to, but once the term of the attachment ends (of he is simply recalled), he has to report back to his own unit. Something like that happened to Shepard.

[Bullets McDeath]

Manic Sheep wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...


Also Miranda quits if you blew up the base so she's not so loyal to Cerb after all.

What? <_<

....What?

Ohhhh right you only get that if she's with you at the time so allot of people probably didn't see that.

If you take Miranda with you to the final fight and opt to blow up the base the illusive man will order her to kill you. She refuses and quits.

Ah, ok! Yeah I was totally confused. I remember her having some doubts when you speak to her after the mission if you kept the base, but I'd never had her in my party during a playthrough that I blew it up. Good to know though, thanks for the link too!

[RVallant]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

IIRC, Udina says, "You were a humans before you were a Spectre."


Shepard basically has dual loyalties now, both Spectre and Alliance.  Even in ME1 when he/she was a Spectre, Adm. Hacket was still sending missions.

In the military it's not uncommon to "attach" a serviceman from one unit to another. Such a person takes orders and is supplied, and is the responsibility of the command of the unit he (she) is attached to, but once the term of the attachment ends (of he is simply recalled), he has to report back to his own unit. Something like that happened to Shepard.

Hm, but a SPECTRE outranks all. He never has to follow his so-called obligations to the Alliance. You can avoid all the Hackett missions, hell you can pull rank on an Admiral for the hell of it. Politicians on the other hand always seem to find a loophole somewhere ¬_¬

[Count Viceroy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


In the military it's not uncommon to "attach" a serviceman from one unit to another. Such a person takes orders and is supplied, and is the responsibility of the command of the unit he (she) is attached to, but once the term of the attachment ends (of he is simply recalled), he has to report back to his own unit. Something like that happened to Shepard.

Shepard isn't attached to anything, he's completly switched branch. Anything and everything done for the Alliance in after joining the spectres is out of the kindness of shepards heart, or some sense of old loyalty, not obligation.

[Prince Keldar]

DarthSliver wrote...

I think you should be working with Liara whether you do the DLC or not. For the people that didnt do the DLC they could have information put in to recap why Liara is the Shadowbroker.

This^.  I think Shepard will not be able to go back to the Alliance, after all he hasn't been in the military since Eden Prime of ME1, then he joined the Spectres and became an operative for the Council, not the Alliance.  Even Hackett in one of the conversations acknowledges that he can't order him to do anything, since he is no longer with the Alliance.  Actually according to how you played ME2 Shepard could be reinstated as a Spectre.  If anything I think he will be working with Liara. 

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 30 janvier 2011 - 01:03 .

[leeboi2]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

Except for being dead, when you die, you usually lose your job...

[primero holodon]

you do know that Miranda quits cerberus if you destroy the base right? and even if you keep it she starts to second guess TIM. and also if the Alliance allowed a Krogan bounty hunter and a quarian onboard the first normandy, they probably won't be too picky over the crew of a ship that isn't actually part of their fleet.