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[Ryzaki]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


In the military it's not uncommon to "attach" a serviceman from one unit to another. Such a person takes orders and is supplied, and is the responsibility of the command of the unit he (she) is attached to, but once the term of the attachment ends (of he is simply recalled), he has to report back to his own unit. Something like that happened to Shepard.

Shepard isn't attached to anything, he's completly switched branch. Anything and everything done for the Alliance in after joining the spectres is out of the kindness of shepards heart, or some sense of old loyalty, not obligation.

This. Hackett even tells you in several occassions in ME1 that he/the alliance has no jurisidiction over you to make you do something but they would like for you to do them a favor. (Heck he out and out says it with the Negotations mission that they can't reprimand you because you're not one of them).

[SandTrout]

leeboi2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

Except for being dead, when you die, you usually lose your job...

Not true for military personnel. Their status is simply changed from 'active duty' to 'KIA'. Unless you have separation papers, you're still considered part of the military.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Oddly enough I want to go back to the Alliance I liked it but I hope that doesn't mean I'm Spector-less I mean no amount of writing is going to cover up I got that reinstated even though according to Anderson it was really only in title only I would figure after divorcing TIM the council would reinstate it officially. I don't think if BW did a defeat the collectors, gain spector status, divorce TIM and either A: Shep decides between 2-3 he will resign or B: The council alive or new council decides his deeds aren't enough or he's too much of a liability cut him loose. The liability part while it could make some sense in others it would not the humans would be in an uproar thinking that they're too faced and want to keep humans down it would create alot of unrest even if shep goes on camera and lies and says they chose to step down I don't think that would quell it only make the humans more angry. Him choosing to resign after going through all he did is a why question and a big one also humans would still feel like a conspiracy happened all around no good. I really like being a full time Spector and part time Alliance member.

[JKoopman]

You had non-Alliance personnel serving on your ship in ME1 while Shepard was still with the Alliance. I fail to see why potentially being back with the Alliance would mean that Miranda could no longer serve a part.



Also, if you have Miranda in your squad at the campaign's end and choose to destroy the Collector base, Miranda ends up leaving Cerberus when the Illusive Man orders her to stop you.

[GuardianAngel470]

Xilizhra wrote...

Have you not finished ME2 yet?

To be fair, you kinda have to take Miranda with you to hear that dialog. In short, she quits in no uncertain terms.

Also, why would you go to work for the Alliance? That's like a step backwards. That puts you under the heel of both the Alliance and the Council.

I say Shepard uses his new resource, the Shadow Broker, and works on his own. 

Also, a Paragon/Paragade Shepard most likely has more military might that answers to him directly than the entire Alliance military. Rachni (Whole species, both a fleet and an army), Geth (again, fleet and army), Krogans (just army), and possibly Quarians (fleet only) all either following his direct orders or highly influenced by him.

[Prince Keldar]

JKoopman wrote...

You had non-Alliance personnel serving on your ship in ME1 while Shepard was still with the Alliance.

But Shepard wasn't in the Alliance in ME1 after he joined the Spectres.  Eden Prime is the only mission where he was a member of the Alliance.

The reason his crew is made up of a Turian, Krogan, Quarian, Human, and Asari is because he is a Spectre not Alliance.  Also, when you go back to the Citadel the second time (I think) an Alliance official can "inspect" the Normandy.  At some point, again if I am remembering right, Shepard defends his crew and ship by saying that it wasn't an Alliance vessel.

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:08 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Ryzaki wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

In the military it's not uncommon to "attach" a serviceman from one unit to another. Such a person takes orders and is supplied, and is the responsibility of the command of the unit he (she) is attached to, but once the term of the attachment ends (of he is simply recalled), he has to report back to his own unit. Something like that happened to Shepard.

Shepard isn't attached to anything, he's completly switched branch. Anything and everything done for the Alliance in after joining the spectres is out of the kindness of shepards heart, or some sense of old loyalty, not obligation.

This. Hackett even tells you in several occassions in ME1 that he/the alliance has no jurisidiction over you to make you do something but they would like for you to do them a favor. (Heck he out and out says it with the Negotations mission that they can't reprimand you because you're not one of them).

The attachment to the Council spectres is the continuation of Shepard's duty to the Alliance. Just another assignment. Yes, as long as Shepard is on active spectre duty the Alliance can't really interfere with it, as Council > Alliance (at least officially, in ME1). But as soon as Shepard is no longer spectre, which is obviously the case in the beginning of ME2, he has to report back to the Alliance. It's even more evindent with the Normandy SR-1 and her crew: they were just "lent" to the Council duty.

[Xilizhra]

I have no intention to simply go back to the Alliance in ME3 until I figure out the whole Cerberus connection. At the moment, I see my duties to the galactic life in general and, to a lesser extent, the Council as more important.

[Reidbynature]

Since I got my Shepard's Spectre status restored (in name at least) I wouldn't mind working as an actual Spectre in ME3. I don't want to work for Cerberus anymore because they are a terrorist organisation no matter how well intentioned they are to humans. It wasn't exactly clear that Shepard told them to he quit at the end. I might have chose to blow up the base, but the dialogue option to tell him you're doing it your way is something like "you're working for me" to which he states that he's going to do things his own way. He might have taken control of the ship and decided to do things his own way, but it doesn't rule out working for Cerberus.



Also I would like to have Cerberus as an antagonistic faction in the ME3 because I kept expecting them to make a big betrayal in ME2 and show me what they really wanted. While they did do things that might be conisdered a set up they never really followed up the can we or can't we trust them story in a way that felt as though it was resolved. Not to mention it would have more interesting for Miranda and Jacob's character if they are suddenly faced with being potential enemies for Shepard and he/she having to deal with them one way or another.

[Comaatil]

Looks like sheploo is *puts on sunglasses* Ridin solo....YEEAAAHHHH

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Screw the alliance.... did they try to bring Shepard back to life? Hell no.... they can rot. If there is any way at all to not join back with them, my Shepard is taking it, be it independent or Cerberus.



Miranda ONLY quits if you destroy the base, which I don't do. So, in my game, she and my shepard are still working with Cerberus.

[Zulu_DFA]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Screw the alliance.... did they try to bring Shepard back to life? Hell no.... they can rot. If there is any way at all to not join back with them, my Shepard is taking it, be it independent or Cerberus.

Miranda ONLY quits if you destroy the base, which I don't do. So, in my game, she and my shepard are still working with Cerberus.

Would you forgive the Alliance if dumping the dead you into Cerberus was their informed decision?

[Balek-Vriege]

I think depending on what you do with the Collector base, essentially governs whether Shepard and his/her crew are still with Cerberus. When you blow the base up (even if you don't) it certainly sounds like Jacob, Miranda and the rest of the cerberus crew (you saved them from being Reaper goo) are with you whatever you decide.



If Miranda and Jacob didn't essentially quit after blowing up the base, shouldn't they be on their way back to the Illusive man and not remain shacked up with a traitor? Not to mention that question completely ignores the fact Miranda resigns if present at Reaper fight and Jacob pats you on the back for quitting post suicide mission. On the other hand, not blowing up the base seems to suggest you're still with Cerberus, but your squaddies are unsure of your decision to keep it.



This allows Paragon Shepards to split with the questionable organization and go back to a ME1 Spectre/Alliance Marine status, allows Renegade Shepards to use/serve Cerberus which is more idealistically similar to them and Paragade Sheps to fall somewhere in the middle.



On a side note, I found it interesting in LotSB that the Shadow broker planned on using the Normandy's IFF to salvage the remains of the Collector base if Shepard destroyed it. Could it play a part in ME3 regardless of what we decided and is it further evidence the Collector Base choice is more about staying with or quitting Cerberus?

[Aedan_Cousland]

It says "Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine..."  This seems to strongly suggest he/she will not be working with Cerberus again in ME3.

Something I'm looking forward to.

My canon Shep despises Cerberus and everything it stands for, so hopefully we'll either be back with the Alliance/Council in ME3, or working with the new Shadowbroker.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm sure Shepard won't be working with Cerberus in ME3 regardless of choices.

[jlb524]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm sure Shepard won't be working with Cerberus in ME3 regardless of choices.

I sure hope the hell not.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I would prefer it if my Shep worked for herself. Cerberus has shown its too nationalist, and has a murky history. And the Alliance used Shepard to destroy the geth and Soveriegn, and then dismisses it all!

Then again, I must see who the face behind that voice of admiral Hackeet is!

[expanding panic]

primero holodon wrote...

you do know that Miranda quits cerberus if you destroy the base right? and even if you keep it she starts to second guess TIM. and also if the Alliance allowed a Krogan bounty hunter and a quarian onboard the first normandy, they probably won't be too picky over the crew of a ship that isn't actually part of their fleet.

Makes sense to me

[ForceXev]

Prince Keldar wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

You had non-Alliance personnel serving on your ship in ME1 while Shepard was still with the Alliance.

But Shepard wasn't in the Alliance in ME1 after he joined the Spectres.

More importantly the aliens he recruits in ME1 have relatively clean pasts.  Miranda & Jacob work for a an organzation that the Alliance considers to be terrorists, and Jack, Kasumi, and Morinth are criminals of one kind or another.  Zaeed and Thane are killers for hire.  Whether or not they would be objectionable probably depends on the specifics of their crimes, and how much the Alliance knows about them.  But I think the idea in ME2 was that because Shep is working for Cerberus, you were able to recruit characters with much more colorful pasts.  I think in ME3, it may not work out that way.

[Bullets McDeath]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I would prefer it if my Shep worked for herself. Cerberus has shown its too nationalist, and has a murky history. And the Alliance used Shepard to destroy the geth and Soveriegn, and then dismisses it all!
Then again, I must see who the face behind that voice of admiral Hackeet is!

If he doesn't look like that, I shall cry nerdy tears of pure rage!!

[Aedan_Cousland]

Agreed.

Hackett should make an appearance in ME3 and he should look like his voice actor, though a little younger. I believe Lance Henriksen is about 70 now. Hackett should be in his mid 50s.

[Count Viceroy]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Agreed.

Hackett should make an appearance in ME3 and he should look like his voice actor, though a little younger. I believe Lance Henriksen is about 70 now. Hackett should be in his mid 50s.

With the average age of humans in the ME universe extended to about 150. I'd say 70 isn't that bad. It's like the current 40.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

What's with this fascination with Admiral Hackett?! Why care what he looks like?



Just some guy always running to shepard to fix his problems...

[Bullets McDeath]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

What's with this fascination with Admiral Hackett?! Why care what he looks like?

Just some guy always running to shepard to fix his problems...

Because Lance Henriksen is one of the coolest looking dudes to ever walk the Earth. It would be a missed oppurtunity if he didn't look like his voice actor. No matter what they came up with... it wouldn't look as cool as Lance Henriksen. That's just a universal law of graphic design.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 30 janvier 2011 - 10:44 .