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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

I have no idea.

[Silmane]

I don't want to re-join the Alliance. I hope I can go inde in ME3. I do want to fight alongside Admiral Hackett, though.



I have a good feeling that we are either going to get to do this or watch Hackett die, though. Mostly because the Arcturus Relay leads to the Charon Relay and I'm sure the 5th Fleet will be called to defend Arcturus Station.



Please, please, let us fight with Hackett and against the Reapers at Arcturus. I know we're gonna lose the station and I don't care...just let us do it!

[Esquirian]

Holy jeebzus people, I'm a bit of a lurker but still. I read it in an interview, or post, or video, or something somewhere, I apologize for not providing the resource. But it clearly stated that you wouldn't be getting a new team in ME3, you did your recruiting, you have your people. Now go kill some giant machines with em

[Silmane]

Esquirian wrote...

Holy jeebzus people, I'm a bit of a lurker but still. I read it in an interview, or post, or video, or something somewhere, I apologize for not providing the resource. But it clearly stated that you wouldn't be getting a new team in ME3, you did your recruiting, you have your people. Now go kill some giant machines with em

Which is hilarious because I just made a playthrough where Garrus, Legion, Shepard and Joker are the only people alive on the Normandy. Ha. Gonna be great. 

[Wulfram]

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

Because (my) Shepard is a soldier, not a mercenary, a vigilante or a terrorist, and that means working for the legitimate government, even if they are idiots.

Plus Cerberus may be rich, but they can't match the resources of the Alliance, let alone the Council.  They can outfit one ship very nicely, but defeating the reapers will need a fleet.

Modifié par Wulfram, 30 janvier 2011 - 11:19 .

[Yakko77]

leeboi2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

Except for being dead, when you die, you usually lose your job...

Usually?

:happy:

[Xilizhra]

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

I kinda already did rejoin the Council in ME2. I feel like I still have a duty to them. I'd feel a sense of duty to the Alliance too if I wasn't growing more and more suspicious about Cerberus' role.

[NeroSparda]

Wulfram wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

Because (my) Shepard is a soldier, not a mercenary, a vigilante or a terrorist, and that means working for the legitimate government, even if they are idiots.

Plus Cerberus may be rich, but they can't match the resources of the Alliance, let alone the Council.  They can outfit one ship very nicely, but defeating the reapers will need a fleet.

Yet your Shepard worked for a terrorist group, that is not easy to overlook when it comes to a legitimate government. Like another poster mention, the game would lead to Shepard's arrest, along with everyone else in his/her crew. I so do not want to lose Kasumi or Garrus due to that.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

I kinda already did rejoin the Council in ME2. I feel like I still have a duty to them. I'd feel a sense of duty to the Alliance too if I wasn't growing more and more suspicious about Cerberus' role.

No you didn't really join the council. The spectre reinstatement was at best some sort of insulting attempt at bribing Shepard to stay away and shut him up. Perhaps just to buy themselve some time and decide what to do next.

[M8DMAN]

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

I would rather Shep re-join the alliance. 

That would be a better starting point for ME3 then the prison route Zulu keeps talking about.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 30 janvier 2011 - 11:40 .

[TheJiveDJ]

*ahem* According to a convo with Admiral Hackett in ME1 Shep is still part of the Alliance. However during a convo in ME2 Shep explicitly states that he technically isn't a part of the Alliance Navy anymore. Methinks BioWare needs to make up their mind. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he technically is because he was never officially discharged and is now listed as either MIA or AWOL.

[Xilizhra]

Lizardviking wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

I kinda already did rejoin the Council in ME2. I feel like I still have a duty to them. I'd feel a sense of duty to the Alliance too if I wasn't growing more and more suspicious about Cerberus' role.

No you didn't really join the council. The spectre reinstatement was at best some sort of insulting attempt at bribing Shepard to stay away and shut him up. Perhaps just to buy themselve some time and decide what to do next.

Regardless, I still feel like I have a duty.

[Wulfram]

NeroSparda wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Because (my) Shepard is a soldier, not a mercenary, a vigilante or a terrorist, and that means working for the legitimate government, even if they are idiots.

Plus Cerberus may be rich, but they can't match the resources of the Alliance, let alone the Council.  They can outfit one ship very nicely, but defeating the reapers will need a fleet.

Yet your Shepard worked for a terrorist group, that is not easy to overlook when it comes to a legitimate government. Like another poster mention, the game would lead to Shepard's arrest, along with everyone else in his/her crew. I so do not want to lose Kasumi or Garrus due to that.

As a Spectre, Shepard is granted the authority to deal with threats to peace and stability in whatever way they deem necessary.  Stopping the collectors falls comfortably within that responsibility.

As does gaining intel on Cerberus operations and resources, actually.

[james1976]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard never stopped being an Alliance Marine.

In service he did.  When he became a Spectre he technically was still a Marine but didn't answer to the Alliance anymore.  When he died and came back he was no longer in the service period. 

But as I have known some retired miltary they have a saying that might apply here.
"Once a Marine.  Always a Marine."
So in Shepard's mind he/she might always be "a Marine" despite actual continued service.
I'd have to say though, some versions of Shepard wouldn't think that.  Ultimately would depend on the character's personality.

[james1976]

outlaworacle wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...


Also Miranda quits if you blew up the base so she's not so loyal to Cerb after all.

What? <_<

She tells TIM "you can consider this my resignation".

[AkiKishi]

I think ME3 is going to be like Dragon Age. Collect some Allies kill the bad guys. The conversation with the Rachni queen is a pretty big hint it's going in that direction.

If you list Shepards personal allies then he's probably got more to call on than the Alliance does.

Against a Galaxy wide threat.

Quarians - Tali
Geth - Legion
Krogan - Wrex
Shadow Broker - Liara
Rachni Queen

Perhaps this can make your choices in ME1/2 a bit less than cosmetic.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 31 janvier 2011 - 04:07 .

[Yakko77]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I think ME3 is going to be like Dragon Age. Collect some Allies kill the bad guys. The conversation with the Rachni queen is a pretty big hint it's going in that direction.

If you list Shepards personal allies then he's probably got more to call on than the Alliance does.

Against a Galaxy wide threat.

Quarians - Tali
Geth - Legion
Krogan - Wrex
Shadow Broker - Liara
Rachni Queen

Perhaps this can make your choices in ME1/2 a bit less than cosmetic.

That's sort of what I'm hoping for as well.  A big multi-species fight against the Reapers.  Sort of like in Babylon 5 against the Shadows.

Heck, I saved the Destiny Ascension in ME1 for just that reason (not to save the Council but I figure a super dreadnought would come in handy latter on).  Yes, I  was thinking about the final battle in the 3rd game of this story all the way back then!

Also, I hope to get the turians on board as they have the biggest fleet but it's likely just a matter of getting Mr. "Ah yes, "Reapers"..." to see reality.

As for the asari, I hope saving the DA will make it easier for them to join the cause.

The salarians likely already know what's going on due to the STG.

[xedgorex]

I'm gonna just predict that Cerberus turns out to NOT be a major bad guy (makes no sense whatsoever for them to become an antagonist in ME3, they may want to be top dog, but it wont mean shish if we're all dead), and turn out to be a valuable if not unpredictable ally.



Its just funny how pure paragons predict that saving the Collector base is the biggest folly that anyone could make. I seriously doubt it will come to anything world shattering. And if it does, it'll be AFTER we repel the repear fleet.



So i'm gonna use Cerberus as much as i can but not put all my eggs in that basket.

[ArcanistLibram]

Shepard was just MIA for two years and he was still doing jobs for the Alliance in ME1, so he is, technically, still an Alliance Marine. There's no deep meaning to it.

[Bailyn242]

NeroSparda wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Why are people so eager to re-join the alliance and the council? Considering the sheer incompetence and backstabbing they displayed in ME2.

Why would you want to go back to them?

Because (my) Shepard is a soldier, not a mercenary, a vigilante or a terrorist, and that means working for the legitimate government, even if they are idiots.

Plus Cerberus may be rich, but they can't match the resources of the Alliance, let alone the Council.  They can outfit one ship very nicely, but defeating the reapers will need a fleet.

Yet your Shepard worked for a terrorist group, that is not easy to overlook when it comes to a legitimate government. Like another poster mention, the game would lead to Shepard's arrest, along with everyone else in his/her crew. I so do not want to lose Kasumi or Garrus due to that.

Incorrect. My Shepard used a terrorist group's resources to complete a single mission. A mission that both the Alliance and the Council ignored. Now that the Collectors have been stopped and the attacks in the Terminus systems have stopped Shep broke ties with them.

That said, did the Council or Alliance give you a choice? No they listened to Cerberus' planted rumors and left Shep in the cold. I think they'll want to take a look at the mission reports after the mission before making a decision one way or the other.

[DarthSliver]

Bailyn242 wrote...

Incorrect. My Shepard used a terrorist group's resources to complete a single mission. A mission that both the Alliance and the Council ignored. Now that the Collectors have been stopped and the attacks in the Terminus systems have stopped Shep broke ties with them.

That said, did the Council or Alliance give you a choice? No they listened to Cerberus' planted rumors and left Shep in the cold. I think they'll want to take a look at the mission reports after the mission before making a decision one way or the other.

Well I think the Alliance didnt want to do anything because they are in the Council. Anderson believes you about the Collectors but the fact is your working with Cerberus, which is determined to be a Terrorist Group in the Council and Alliance eyes.  Plus i think there was a big mess/ issues to resolve with your return under Cerberus. Like VS i think the Council partly thinks you been in hiding. But i do believe that Anderson strongly believes you and the Collectors, he knows Sovergien is a Reaper and the Reapers are a real threat.  Just for Anderson everything gets too messy when dealing with Cerberus. Anderson basically tells you to sleep with a gun so to speak when your working with Cerberus.  

But back to the Council part, well i said my opinion in another thread. Wished i let them burn at the end of ME1. But since you werent there to be able to counter their doubts is what i partly think  is why they decided the Reapers werent a threat. I just hope that Asari does he mind thing, think she did it in the first one, and sees the truth.



 

Modifié par DarthSliver, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:09 .

[SammyJB17]

Dissapointed. Why do you want to go back to those jerks. Eager. Wouldn't you rather be a bad *ss on your own undercover agent?

[Prince Keldar]

Ultimately I think it all is going to come down to trust. Shepard doesn't trust the Illusive Man or Cerberus, especially after Horizon and on the mission on the collector ship, not the base. Both times the Illusive Man deceived Shepard. I don't think Shepard can trust the Alliance either, also because of Horizon and the aftermath of the Normandy getting destroyed. Shepard's trust in the Council has been shaky throughout the Mass Effect series.

In other words, the only people he can trust is his crew, Anderson, maybe Hackett (lair of the Shadow Broker reference), Liara, and himself/herself. Trust is required for a successful relationship, and that is why Shepard will not work for the Alliance.

He may work WITH them but not FOR them. (not yelling, just emphasizing lol)

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:45 .