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#101
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TehFuZion wrote...

 hey i dont want to start a new thread for this but i had a question.

how did the normandy get back from the collector base without using the omega 4 relay? =/

and maybe the reapers were on their way back when to dark space and just got a message from the collectors to say "hey were being attacked, come back asap"





Dont understand the question?. The hard part was not crashing into a black hole. Going back is just normal relay transit.

but since they have the IFF I would surmise every relay the normandy travels through actually responds to the normandy with more accurate calculations.

Either way going towards the collector base there is a problem with black holes and debri, going the other way back is just normal.

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Alocormin wrote...

Uh, if the Reapers managed to wipe out humanity in less than a month - which seems to be what people expect - then there wouldn't be a game.


Er, not if the game is set in that first month before they succeeded.

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right so by that logic the reapers can use the relays too?

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Don't forget.........it takes a long time to transport your victims one by one on floating gurneys! Posted Image

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Spartas Husky wrote...

TehFuZion wrote...

 hey i dont want to start a new thread for this but i had a question.

how did the normandy get back from the collector base without using the omega 4 relay? =/

and maybe the reapers were on their way back when to dark space and just got a message from the collectors to say "hey were being attacked, come back asap"

Dont understand the question?. The hard part was not crashing into a black hole. Going back is just normal relay transit.

but since they have the IFF I would surmise every relay the normandy travels through actually responds to the normandy with more accurate calculations.

Either way going towards the collector base there is a problem with black holes and debri, going the other way back is just normal.

In the cutscene right after you leave the base and your bomb is blowing up, the Normandy jumps to regular FTL to escape the blast, not using the relay. Even though they are in a small bubble of safe space and the relay is the only possible way to leave, they deside to FTL right into a black hole instead... It is just one of many screw ups in the game. Just ignore it like everything else and make something up because the writers didnt feel like doing it themselves.

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Vaenier wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

TehFuZion wrote...

 hey i dont want to start a new thread for this but i had a question.

how did the normandy get back from the collector base without using the omega 4 relay? =/

and maybe the reapers were on their way back when to dark space and just got a message from the collectors to say "hey were being attacked, come back asap"

Dont understand the question?. The hard part was not crashing into a black hole. Going back is just normal relay transit.

but since they have the IFF I would surmise every relay the normandy travels through actually responds to the normandy with more accurate calculations.

Either way going towards the collector base there is a problem with black holes and debri, going the other way back is just normal.

In the cutscene right after you leave the base and your bomb is blowing up, the Normandy jumps to regular FTL to escape the blast, not using the relay. Even though they are in a small bubble of safe space and the relay is the only possible way to leave, they deside to FTL right into a black hole instead... It is just one of many screw ups in the game. Just ignore it like everything else and make something up because the writers didnt feel like doing it themselves.


ohright ok :) thank you. i was just confused.
i was starting to think that maybe we didnt get back at all. and that carrying on after the game had ended was just there so you can finish up the side quests.

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JeffZero wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

Uh, if the Reapers managed to wipe out humanity in less than a month - which seems to be what people expect - then there wouldn't be a game.


Er, not if the game is set in that first month before they succeeded.



And get the army in less then a month?

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TehFuZion wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

TehFuZion wrote...

 hey i dont want to start a new thread for this but i had a question.

how did the normandy get back from the collector base without using the omega 4 relay? =/

and maybe the reapers were on their way back when to dark space and just got a message from the collectors to say "hey were being attacked, come back asap"

Dont understand the question?. The hard part was not crashing into a black hole. Going back is just normal relay transit.

but since they have the IFF I would surmise every relay the normandy travels through actually responds to the normandy with more accurate calculations.

Either way going towards the collector base there is a problem with black holes and debri, going the other way back is just normal.

In the cutscene right after you leave the base and your bomb is blowing up, the Normandy jumps to regular FTL to escape the blast, not using the relay. Even though they are in a small bubble of safe space and the relay is the only possible way to leave, they deside to FTL right into a black hole instead... It is just one of many screw ups in the game. Just ignore it like everything else and make something up because the writers didnt feel like doing it themselves.


ohright ok :) thank you. i was just confused.
i was starting to think that maybe we didnt get back at all. and that carrying on after the game had ended was just there so you can finish up the side quests.



I assume thats what scanners are for... to make sure you dont drive into a moon just as you wouldn't want to drive into a black hole either.

Never heard of FTL as flying totally blind.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 29 janvier 2011 - 09:44 .


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a) All numbers in ME should be taken with grain of salt.

B) We don't know what Reapers want to do with humanity. Looking at London in trailer I'm pretty sure that Reapers didn't use any nuclear-scale weapons. Most probably they don't want to just destroy humanity. At least not right away.

c) 9 millions is probably London-only number. Earth population in ME is 11+ billions. So London population would be something like 20 millions. 50% population in one week(considering B) is really good number.

d) OP example with nuke is bad one. It doesn't work like 1 nuke = 100k people. Ok, you drop nukes on each major city in the world. You kill half of city population. It would be something like 30-40% of Earth population. Guess what happens next? All those people spread out and get under some kind of defense. Nukes suddenly become MUCH less effective. And now you either have to hunt them individually(planet-scale) or continue to use nukes. First way is slow. And second leads to Earth becoming lifeless rock. Well, you can also wait for nuclear winter to do rest of the work bu that's really slow too.

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Anyone notice the awesome close combat moves by Thane in the Mass Effect 2 trailer, not forgetting the kick ass one-shot-kill on a Thresher Maw by Grunt?

Wasn't that great when that happened in the game?

Perhaps.

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Spartas Husky wrote...

TehFuZion wrote...

ohright ok :) thank you. i was just confused.
i was starting to think that maybe we didnt get back at all. and that carrying on after the game had ended was just there so you can finish up the side quests.

???? thats what scanners are for... FTL means faster than light... not creating a worm hole like the relays. You can see if a black hole is in front of you.. Again thats what scanners are for.

Well, there was no where else to go. They did not take the relay. They used FTL engines to leave. The only place for them to go with FTL is either into a black hole or a dieing sun.

Its a screw up. This should not have happened, but it did. They used their plot hole drive to escape the galactic core.

LotSB happens after the final mission. So they definitally did get back.

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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

Anyone notice the awesome close combat moves by Thane in the Mass Effect 2 trailer, not forgetting the kick ass one-shot-kill on a Thresher Maw by Grunt?

Wasn't that great when that happened in the game?

Perhaps.


I say if that was the final punch it would be awesome. After you take down all his hp little cutscene in the same fashion as the trailer would be kool. Keeps the cut scene uniqueness and pleases the fanbase :P

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Vaenier wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

TehFuZion wrote...

ohright ok :) thank you. i was just confused.
i was starting to think that maybe we didnt get back at all. and that carrying on after the game had ended was just there so you can finish up the side quests.

???? thats what scanners are for... FTL means faster than light... not creating a worm hole like the relays. You can see if a black hole is in front of you.. Again thats what scanners are for.

Well, there was no where else to go. They did not take the relay. They used FTL engines to leave. The only place for them to go with FTL is either into a black hole or a dieing sun.

Its a screw up. This should not have happened, but it did. They used their plot hole drive to escape the galactic core.

LotSB happens after the final mission. So they definitally did get back.


Didn't see a black hole or sun in the direction they headed... again not sure why do you believe FTL means flying blind.

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Spartas Husky wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

TehFuZion wrote...

ohright ok :) thank you. i was just confused.
i was starting to think that maybe we didnt get back at all. and that carrying on after the game had ended was just there so you can finish up the side quests.

???? thats what scanners are for... FTL means faster than light... not creating a worm hole like the relays. You can see if a black hole is in front of you.. Again thats what scanners are for.

Well, there was no where else to go. They did not take the relay. They used FTL engines to leave. The only place for them to go with FTL is either into a black hole or a dieing sun.

Its a screw up. This should not have happened, but it did. They used their plot hole drive to escape the galactic core.

LotSB happens after the final mission. So they definitally did get back.


Didn't see a black hole or sun in the direction they headed... again not sure why do you believe FTL means flying blind.

Do you just not get it? The galactic core is just a giant black hole surrounded by tons of dieing stars and other black holes. It is a super high gravity zone that would rip anything apart. You cant fly there. The collector base used a random mass effect field to generate an area of stable space so it could exist. The Normandy using FTL engines leaves that and should instantly die. The end.

Modifié par Vaenier, 29 janvier 2011 - 09:53 .


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Vaenier wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

TehFuZion wrote...

ohright ok :) thank you. i was just confused.
i was starting to think that maybe we didnt get back at all. and that carrying on after the game had ended was just there so you can finish up the side quests.

???? thats what scanners are for... FTL means faster than light... not creating a worm hole like the relays. You can see if a black hole is in front of you.. Again thats what scanners are for.

Well, there was no where else to go. They did not take the relay. They used FTL engines to leave. The only place for them to go with FTL is either into a black hole or a dieing sun.

Its a screw up. This should not have happened, but it did. They used their plot hole drive to escape the galactic core.

LotSB happens after the final mission. So they definitally did get back.


Didn't see a black hole or sun in the direction they headed... again not sure why do you believe FTL means flying blind.

Do you just not get it? The galactic core is just a giant black hole surrounded by tons of dieing stars and other black holes. It is a super high gravity zone that would rip anything apart. You cant fly there. The collector base used a random mass effect field to generate an area of stable space so it could exist. The Normandy using FTL engines leaves that and should instantly die. The end.


From what EDI and Jacob stated the galactic core is made up of:

"black holeS and exploding/giant sunS"


Never was any explicit information about the sizeof any specific sun or black hole was uttered.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 29 janvier 2011 - 09:55 .


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Spartas Husky wrote...

From what EDI and Jacob stated the galactic core is made up of:

"black holeS and exploding/giant sunS"

Never was any explicit information about the sizeof any specific sun or black hole was uttered.

Galactic Center.

You have to use some science and common sense. I guess how common is debatable though.

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Vaenier wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

From what EDI and Jacob stated the galactic core is made up of:

"black holeS and exploding/giant sunS"

Never was any explicit information about the sizeof any specific sun or black hole was uttered.

Galactic Center.

You have to use some science and common sense. I guess how common is debatable though.


....Remember the crosshairs used by EDI to tell you where the Collector base was, it was near the center I believe not in the center.

On the other hand, we exited through the debri field. On the way in lets say thats heading north. On the north there is more debri, and a black hole on your... "right". South is the relay.... meaing east is the black hole.  West... looked like a sun I think. So :
A. it wasn't towards the relay.. so it is not south.
B. there is no black hole directly in front of us, so is not right/west
C. we cleared the debri field... meaning is not north.
D- West think is a sun... so

We went either north west or south west.... I tend to think north west since we cleared the debri field but there is no sun nearby... and heading southwest is close to the relay.

Either way... you dont find it reasonable... I do. Lets agree to disagree.

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Spartas Husky wrote...

We went either north west or south west.... I tend to think north west since we cleared the debri field but there is no sun nearby... and heading southwest is close to the relay.

Either way... you dont find it reasonable... I do. Lets agree to disagree.

Point has been missed. Good day to you sir.

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JeffZero wrote...

Alocormin wrote...

Uh, if the Reapers managed to wipe out humanity in less than a month - which seems to be what people expect - then there wouldn't be a game.


Er, not if the game is set in that first month before they succeeded.


ERR ERR ERR... ;)

Considering that the first game happened over a period of several months, and the finale really should be the most epic, and that ordinary FTL transits can take as much as a week in theory, and that if it takes only a month to wipe out the Earth, we only have maybe three weeks to fit in the entire narrative, including the exploration parts of the game...  anyway.  I wasn't using that as a serious argument.

The logical aspect of my "Argument" was that it really isn't that slow to kill 9 million people in a week. Rather, it's quite ghastly.  People throw out counts of billions or trillions because we have billionaires and trillionaires, but a million is still more than a normal person could count in their normal lifespan.

I know we want to make them out to be Cthulu-ish God-machines, I still think it stands to reason that the Reapers might not be able to kill us much faster.  If they were God-machines, Sovereign wouldn't have died above the Citadel, and would've wiped out the entire Alliance 5th fleet.  Then brought in his friends to kill everything else.

It may be worth noting, too, that the number of dead (it seems to me) would be far smaller if they were "collecting" everyone.  Also, killing off the Earth with even nuclear bombs - much less giant plasma beams and foot soldiers - would be impossibly tedious.  Killing off an entire race takes a few centuries - if we go by the assumption that homeworld-sized colonies would be very limited, we can judge that it would probably take years, not days or weeks, for them to wipe out a civilization.  To them, and from the wider perspective of the uncaring universe, this is still the blink of an eye.

If they wanted to just get rid of Earth, they would probably be able to set the Earth on an unstable orbit using the gravitational pull of their incredibly powerful Mass Effect cores.  Wham, no more life, in days.

Modifié par Alocormin, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:23 .


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I wouldn't take the trailer too seriously. It will most likely won't be a cutscene since ME2 trailers proved that and Bioware can change how many people died if they wanted to.

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Mass Effect 1 trailer - Caleston. What happened to Caleston? Cut from game and repurposed as BDtS mining facility. 

Mass Effect 2 trailer - Legion. What happened to Legion? Most of his content was cut and he was pushed back to 11th hour addition to the crew.  

Mass Effect 3 trailer - Earth under attack? Let's wait and see just how relevant that really is. I have my doubts.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 janvier 2011 - 03:00 .