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[oldag07]

According to ME lore, the reapers come every 50,000 years and they wipe every sign of civilization and move on.  50,000 years is not a lot of time when it comes to evolution.  According to the wiki, dinosaurs lived on the earth for 160 million years.  They disappeared 65 million years ago.  Are we to believe that a planet, with a mass effect relay, with as rich resources as Earth has would not be mined/ colonized by some advanced civilization.  We still have no clue what the Protheans were doing on their "outpost" on Mars, but not doing anything on Earth.  Why would the Reapers leave this "outpost" behind, but not any traces of civilization on Earth.

I guess we will see. . . .

[JeffZero]

Maybe previous races and/or groups of races saw the Mass Relay into the Local Cluster as just as much of a dangerous unknown as the Council races.

[InHarmsWay]

You do realize that the Milky Way galaxy, regardless of how many races there are, is only 0.1% explored (says in codex). And that's after all the (current) races of the galaxy did all of this exploring. It's very easy for earth to slip through the cracks.



Same reason why Bekenstein wasn't found until recently despite being relatively close to the Citadel. The galaxy is a very big place.

[JeffZero]

And why the designers put the Krogan DMZ right near us, if you ask me. It's there to inspire a bit of fear despite the overall irrelevance.

[oldag07]

In mass effect, if you go to the planet Eletania, after getting the trinket from the Concert, and find a the prothean artifact, you will have a vision described in text.

" . .. . You wake an instant later to find yourself on Eletania lying on your back, the Prothean artifact looming above you undamaged and your companions standing over you. They help you to your feet, puzzled. "There was a flash of light and you just sort of toppled over," one explains. "Are you okay, Shepard?" the other asks. You don't answer right away, wondering at the implications of what you have seen: the memories of a Cro-Magnon hunter, captured by an implanted Prothean data recorder. How long did they study the primitive humans, observing them and analyzing the results at their base on Mars? And what, if anything, did they learn from us?"

Maybe the Protheans were trying to manipulate our race into a species that could beat the Reapers. Maybe they shut down the Charon relay so we could evolve to the size large enough to beat the Reapers. I guess we will find out soon.

Modifié par oldag07, 29 janvier 2011 - 05:48 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Perhaps the Protheans were the first species to find our system. The Milky Way galaxy is incredibly vast. There may be hundreds of billions of planets in our galaxy, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Earth was missed by previous civilizations.

[oldag07]

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Modifié par oldag07, 29 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[Randy1012]

Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

Seriously, it's not unfathomable at all that Earth has remained a relative backwater for all this time. There are hundreds of billions of stars in the Milky Way, and probably thousands of mass relays spread out all over the place.

Modifié par Randy1083, 29 janvier 2011 - 06:16 .

[oldag07]

Randy1083 wrote...
Earth has remained a relative backwater for all this time.

Being a relative backwater doesn't mean you won't be exploited for resources.  Actually, it probably would increase that probability.

[Aedan_Cousland]

oldag07 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...
Earth has remained a relative backwater for all this time.

Being a relative backwater doesn't mean you won't be exploited for resources.  Actually, it probably would increase that probability.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that thousands of civilizations missed our system. There are hundreds of billions of planets in our galaxy. It is mind-boggingly vast. That, and not all civilizations spanned larged swaths of the galaxy when they were destroyed. The remains of some civilizations are only found on a couple worlds. Some may have never left their home system, or were destroyed soon after discovering the Citadel.

We also don't know when the Reapers created the relay in our system. It may have been created only after the Reapers detected an intelligent species.

[dgcatanisiri]

During the era of the dinosaurs, it was probably considered too dangerous to establish a colony there, and the various dinosaur eras lasted several hundred million years. That's A LOT of Reaper cycles. It could be that at the time, Earth received a travel warning far higher than 'mostly harmless' and it was a system that was avoided, perhaps even to the point of a notice being put in the Citadel archives or whatever so that no species actually traveled through it until the protheans decided to take the risk.

Yes, I'm stretching, and this really is probably a case of fridge logic, but if you want to spend the time, I don't think it's all too impossible to find an answer.

[Aedan_Cousland]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

During the era of the dinosaurs, it was probably considered too dangerous to establish a colony there, and the various dinosaur eras lasted several hundred million years. That's A LOT of Reaper cycles. It could be that at the time, Earth received a travel warning far higher than 'mostly harmless' and it was a system that was avoided, perhaps even to the point of a notice being put in the Citadel archives or whatever so that no species actually traveled through it until the protheans decided to take the risk.
Yes, I'm stretching, and this really is probably a case of fridge logic, but if you want to spend the time, I don't think it's all too impossible to find an answer.

Also, a civilization discovering Earth does not necessarily equal colonization. Who is to stay that the conditions are even favorable to that species? The species could have evolved on a high gravity world like the Elcor for example, or may have evolved on a planet with an ammonia based ecology like the Volus. Not every species would have evolved on planets identical to Earth.

That, and even if conditions are favorable the species may view Earth with scientific curiosity and as such may have outlawed colonization to protect Earth's ecosystem. The Council has done this with some habitable worlds, so why not other species?

This is of course assuming that anyone besides the Protheans even visited Earth. They may have been the first and last.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 29 janvier 2011 - 07:25 .

[skcih-deraj]

The codex does say before humanity found the Charon relay that it was frozen. So another species not finding Earth is not impossible considering the relay was blocked at the time.

[ZachForrest]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

During the era of the dinosaurs, it was probably considered too dangerous to establish a colony there, and the various dinosaur eras lasted several hundred million years. That's A LOT of Reaper cycles. It could be that at the time, Earth received a travel warning far higher than 'mostly harmless' and it was a system that was avoided, perhaps even to the point of a notice being put in the Citadel archives or whatever so that no species actually traveled through it until the protheans decided to take the risk.
Yes, I'm stretching, and this really is probably a case of fridge logic, but if you want to spend the time, I don't think it's all too impossible to find an answer.

So potential settlers with 'space guns' wouldn't land on Earth cause the dinos were too scary? You've been watching too much Jurassic Park.

[oldag07]

Of course one other explanation is the fact that the Charon relay might have been built by the Protheans and not the Reapers.

Historians and astronomers alike are abuzz tonight over a new paper published by Dr. Amanda Kenson of the University of Arcturus. Her team claims that by testing the dust trapped in the gravity wells around a mass relay, and comparing its composition to that of dust clouds in the same system, scientists can create a timeline of when the relay passed through the dust. Her conclusion? “Only a small fraction of the mass effect relays date back 50,000 years,” she writes, “The majority are far older, indicating they were created by a species predating even the Protheans.” Dr. Aurana T’Meles of the University of Serrice met the information with skepticism: “While Dr. Kenson’s methods appear sound, the asari tried a similar procedure centuries ago and discounted it. What civilization could have spanned the galaxy for not thousands, but millions of years? If this were the case, we should have found mountains of evidence of their passing. Where is this species now?”

Modifié par oldag07, 29 janvier 2011 - 08:25 .

[oldag07]

Could have thousands of civilizations missed earth? Yes. I guess the more interesting discussion would be what are the implications if some of them had.

[JeffZero]

oldag07 wrote...

Of course one other explanation is the fact that the Charon relay might have been built by the Protheans and not the Reapers.

Historians and astronomers alike are abuzz tonight over a new paper published by Dr. Amanda Kenson of the University of Arcturus. Her team claims that by testing the dust trapped in the gravity wells around a mass relay, and comparing its composition to that of dust clouds in the same system, scientists can create a timeline of when the relay passed through the dust. Her conclusion? “Only a small fraction of the mass effect relays date back 50,000 years,” she writes, “The majority are far older, indicating they were created by a species predating even the Protheans.” Dr. Aurana T’Meles of the University of Serrice met the information with skepticism: “While Dr. Kenson’s methods appear sound, the asari tried a similar procedure centuries ago and discounted it. What civilization could have spanned the galaxy for not thousands, but millions of years? If this were the case, we should have found mountains of evidence of their passing. Where is this species now?”

Didn't Vigil say something about how the protheans were simply 'on the cusp' of creating their own mass relays, or am I mistaken?

[Vaenier]

skcih-deraj wrote...

The codex does say before humanity found the Charon relay that it was frozen. So another species not finding Earth is not impossible considering the relay was blocked at the time.

It was frozen after the Protheans, not before. One popular theory is that the Protheans froze it to protect the system before they died out. Before that, the relay probably only existed a few cycles. Reapers are constantly building new relays. Less than .1% of the galaxy is actually accessable, because of how few relays there are currently. This fact does not make sense though based on the information we have been given. But Reapers have never been smart or efficient, so anything is possible for them.

[Vaenier]

JeffZero wrote...

oldag07 wrote...

Of course one other explanation is the fact that the Charon relay might have been built by the Protheans and not the Reapers.

Historians and astronomers alike are abuzz tonight over a new paper published by Dr. Amanda Kenson of the University of Arcturus. Her team claims that by testing the dust trapped in the gravity wells around a mass relay, and comparing its composition to that of dust clouds in the same system, scientists can create a timeline of when the relay passed through the dust. Her conclusion? “Only a small fraction of the mass effect relays date back 50,000 years,” she writes, “The majority are far older, indicating they were created by a species predating even the Protheans.” Dr. Aurana T’Meles of the University of Serrice met the information with skepticism: “While Dr. Kenson’s methods appear sound, the asari tried a similar procedure centuries ago and discounted it. What civilization could have spanned the galaxy for not thousands, but millions of years? If this were the case, we should have found mountains of evidence of their passing. Where is this species now?”

Didn't Vigil say something about how the protheans were simply 'on the cusp' of creating their own mass relays, or am I mistaken?

Yes, they were. They built the conduit, a relay that can function without a power source and cant be damaged, even after 50,000 years of exposure to the elements and without maintance. They were just that good.

[LorDC]

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Modifié par LorDC, 29 janvier 2011 - 09:59 .

[LorDC]

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Let's run some simple math here. We know that current civilization explored approximately 0.1% of the galaxy. Knowing how Reaper cycle works it's safe to assume that each previous civilization explored around the same portion of the galaxy. Let's also assume that each star has the same chance to be discovered. It's a big stretch, but we can always say that "Earth is backwater" and thus make our estimate good enough.
So let's get to the point. With all stars being equivalent 0.1% of galactic exploration translates into 0.1% chance of each star to be discovered in each cycle. It is equivalent to 99.9% chance to NOT be discovered. Probability of Earth staying hidden in 1300 cycles would be 0.999^1300 ~= 0.27.
So 27% chance of not being discovered. Pretty good chance. And you can always say that Earth is backwater. And not every discovery is equivalent to setting up colony or starting minig operations.

Modifié par LorDC, 29 janvier 2011 - 09:59 .

[Vaenier]

LorDC wrote...

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Let's run some simple math here. We know that current civilization explored approximately 0.1% of the galaxy. Knowing how Reaper cycle works it's safe to assume that each previous civilization explored around the same portion of the galaxy. Let's also assume that each star has the same chance to be discovered. It's a big stretch, but we can always say that "Earth is backwater" and thus make our estimate good enough.
So let's get to the point. With all stars being equivalent 0.1% of galactic exploration translates into 0.1% chance of each star to be discovered in each cycle. It is equivalent to 99.9% chance to NOT be discovered. Probability of Earth staying hidden in 1300 cycles would be 0.999^1300 ~= 0.27.
So 27% chance of not being discovered. Pretty good chance. And you can always say that Earth is backwater. And not every discovery is equivalent to setting up colony or starting minig operations.

Your math requires that every single star has a relay, which it does not. relays bring you to scattered clusters of dossens of stars. Also, Earth aparently now has a main relay that leads directly to the citadel. It is just one of a few around the citadel, all of which would be top priority to explore.

The relay network only goes to less than 1% of the galaxy. the other 99% of the galaxy is unaccessable, not just unexplored.

[Sajuro]

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Wrong, the dinosaurs were that civilization

[przemichal]

One more thing. Do not you know that Earth was frozen for a really long time (after the extinction of the dinosaurs)?

[TheMiroHa]

przemichal wrote...

One more thing. Do not you know that Earth was frozen for a really long time (after the extinction of the dinosaurs)?

Wait, what? You mean those several colder periods also known as the ice ages? Earth wasn't frozen, average temperature was just few degrees lower and it caused poles to have larger glaciers. Earth was as fruitful during those periods as it is today since areas in equator were more temperate.