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[Vaenier]

przemichal wrote...

One more thing. Do not you know that Earth was frozen for a really long time (after the extinction of the dinosaurs)?

There is always the equator, that was always a good place to live. And there has been land based life forms on the planet for 360 million years. Plants for 475 million. It has never been so iced over that you could not live on its surface in that time frame.

[Randy1012]

Vaenier wrote...

Also, Earth aparently now has a main relay that leads directly to the citadel. It is just one of a few around the citadel, all of which would be top priority to explore.

Just a minor pedantic point, but the Charon Relay isn't a primary relay, but a secondary one; it links to the primary relay in the Arcturus System, which is the relay that links to the Citadel. The games only skip directly to the Sol System for expediency.

[rokeeb]

Sajuro wrote...

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Wrong, the dinosaurs were that civilization

I think even the Reapers would be scared if they saw that. I say we pull a jurassic park. Clone the dinosaurs, make them intelligent (assuming they aren't already), put them in fighters and send them towads the Reapers. The Reapers will the see them and turn around as quickly as they came.  

EDIT: Are they Reapers in the background?

Modifié par rokeeb, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:32 .

[James2912]

Sajuro wrote...

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Wrong, the dinosaurs were that civilization

OMG! WHAT IF THE REAPERS ARE THE DINOSAURS EVOLVED!

[ACSSolver]

You could also say there were some civilizations living on Earth alongside the dinos. We know that every civilization that discovers the relays would end up using mass effect technology. Certainly civilizations could set up colonies on Earth that are protected from the dinosaurs by means of powerful mass effect barriers.



We wouldn't even be likely to find evidence of such civilizations if they were wiped out dozens of Reaper cycles ago. The flora and fauna of Earth are such that things get hidden quickly. In real life, Southern American jungles have hidden entire city ruins that are only 500 years old. So lore wise, I could imagine all evidence of a colony on Earth from 100 million years ago being gone completely.

[Vaenier]

Randy1083 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Also, Earth aparently now has a main relay that leads directly to the citadel. It is just one of a few around the citadel, all of which would be top priority to explore.

Just a minor pedantic point, but the Charon Relay isn't a primary relay, but a secondary one; it links to the primary relay in the Arcturus System, which is the relay that links to the Citadel. The games only skip directly to the Sol System for expediency.

So if we cant trust anything the game says, what is the point of discussing? We would be better off making it up as we go along.

[Sajuro]

James2912 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Wrong, the dinosaurs were that civilization

OMG! WHAT IF THE REAPERS ARE THE DINOSAURS EVOLVED!

That would be all of my childhood dreams rolled into one come  true!
Then you could have a confrontation with Grunt since he was so fascinated by the Dinosaurs.

[Sajuro]

ACSSolver wrote...

You could also say there were some civilizations living on Earth alongside the dinos. We know that every civilization that discovers the relays would end up using mass effect technology. Certainly civilizations could set up colonies on Earth that are protected from the dinosaurs by means of powerful mass effect barriers.

We wouldn't even be likely to find evidence of such civilizations if they were wiped out dozens of Reaper cycles ago. The flora and fauna of Earth are such that things get hidden quickly. In real life, Southern American jungles have hidden entire city ruins that are only 500 years old. So lore wise, I could imagine all evidence of a colony on Earth from 100 million years ago being gone completely.

Except that Mass Effect Barriers only protect from things going a certain speed, so unless the dinosaurs rode on missiles (FRACK YEAH!) they wouldn't have done any good.
I think that the people either killed any who came to close or lived in a floating city, Maybe around the Yucatan Penninsula since that is where the 'meteor' struck that led to the mass extinction event.

[didymos1120]

Randy1083 wrote...
Just a minor pedantic point, but the Charon Relay isn't a primary relay, but a secondary one; it links to the primary relay in the Arcturus System, which is the relay that links to the Citadel. The games only skip directly to the Sol System for expediency.

No, the Arcturus relay is also a secondary relay.  There are also three different primary relays there, and primaries only link to one other primary.

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:05 .

[didymos1120]

Vaenier wrote...

So if we cant trust anything the game says, what is the point of discussing? We would be better off making it up as we go along.

What you have to do is use your brain and realize that gameplay (and the Galaxy Map is very much a gameplay element) will not always accord with the lore.  This is nothing new.  Biotics in the games, for instance, have never lined up with how they're described in the Codex and novels.

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:07 .

[DarthSliver]

Sajuro wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Wrong, the dinosaurs were that civilization

OMG! WHAT IF THE REAPERS ARE THE DINOSAURS EVOLVED!

That would be all of my childhood dreams rolled into one come  true!
Then you could have a confrontation with Grunt since he was so fascinated by the Dinosaurs.

Remember Star Trek Voyager Episode. Dinosaurs did evolve, well one of Dinosaur species was intelligent enough to survive. Managed to make it off Earth and later evolved to an humanoid species Traveling the Delta Quadrant in a Giant Ship.


Anyways didnt the Protheans make the Tiny Mass Relays that allowed Shepherd to get to the Citadel quickly from Ilos ? 

Modifié par DarthSliver, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:36 .

[Sajuro]

DarthSliver wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

I know, I know, it is just a story. . ..

Wrong, the dinosaurs were that civilization

OMG! WHAT IF THE REAPERS ARE THE DINOSAURS EVOLVED!

That would be all of my childhood dreams rolled into one come  true!
Then you could have a confrontation with Grunt since he was so fascinated by the Dinosaurs.

Remember Star Trek Voyager Episode. Dinosaurs did evolve, well one of Dinosaur species was intelligent enough to survive. Managed to make it off Earth and later evolved to an humanoid species Traveling the Delta Quadrant in a Giant Ship.


Anyways didnt the Protheans make the Tiny Mass Relays that allowed Shepherd to get to the Citadel quickly from Ilos ? 

So evolved dinosaurs made some mass relays?

[Praetor Knight]

It might not have been the Protheans who were there, it could have been any species using Reaper Tech that came to Mars and Earth.

The question is how was the Mass Relay in the Sol system iced over? How was it shut off?

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

Well, Newton is the most dangerous SOB in the Galaxy, so what if the Dinosaur extinction event was from a stray mass accelerator round that hit Earth 65 million years ago? Not an intentional event?

[Sajuro]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

It might not have been the Protheans who were there, it could have been any species using Reaper Tech that came to Mars and Earth.

The question is how was the Mass Relay in the Sol system iced over? How was it shut off?

oldag07 wrote...

65 million years (when the dinosaurs became extinct) divided by 50,000 is 1300 cycles. So 1300 advanced civilizations missed Earth? Not likely. Not to mention that number comes from the dinosaur extinction date, not the beginning of when dinosaurs started to exist, 230 mllion years ago.

Maybe the bioware writers could state that the dinosaurs became extinct not because an asteroid hit earth, but because the reapers wiped out an advanced civilization that happened to love along side the dinosaurs.

Well, Newton is the most dangerous SOB in the Galaxy, so what if the Dinosaur extinction event was from a stray mass accelerator round that hit Earth 65 million years ago? Not an intentional event?

Damn newbie 'eyeballing' it

[Praetor Knight]

Sajuro wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Well, Newton is the most dangerous SOB in the Galaxy, so what if the Dinosaur extinction event was from a stray mass accelerator round that hit Earth 65 million years ago? Not an intentional event?

Damn newbie 'eyeballing' it

Exactly!

Here's a wild thought.

What if the shot that created the Great Rift Valley on Klendagon and disabled that Reaper was the same shot that ended up hitting Earth 65 million years ago?

Stranger things have happened.

[DarthSliver]

Sajuro wrote...

So evolved dinosaurs made some mass relays?

Actually i was asking  Didnt the Protheans build the mini-Mass Relay that Shepard end up using in Ilos to get back to the Citadel. The same thing that Saren used to get the Geth forces in the back door of the Citadel so to speak. 

[Whereto]

Well the reapers don't come every 50000 on the dot. There could be a couple 100 yrs or even a few million yrs in between. Nothing is to say that there was a lot of evolution around the time of the dinosaurs, so you might find that no one ever found earth cause their wasn't a lot of civilization around that time and they were no where near earth

[Iwillbeback]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Well, Newton is the most dangerous SOB in the Galaxy, so what if the Dinosaur extinction event was from a stray mass accelerator round that hit Earth 65 million years ago? Not an intentional event?

Damn newbie 'eyeballing' it

Exactly!

Here's a wild thought.

What if the shot that created the Great Rift Valley on Klendagon and disabled that Reaper was the same shot that ended up hitting Earth 65 million years ago?

Stranger things have happened.

Lol it was so powerful it went into the past.

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 30 janvier 2011 - 11:44 .

[Praetor Knight]

Iwillbeback wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Here's a wild thought.

What if the shot that created the Great Rift Valley on Klendagon and disabled that Reaper was the same shot that ended up hitting Earth 65 million years ago?

Stranger things have happened.

Lol it was so powerful it went into the past.

The shot went through a black hole...



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This got me thinking, a Galactic Standard Time day (GST) is longer then a Earth day. And what if the GST also has a greater number of days in a year, than the 365 days in an Earth year?

So, those differences would impact any comparison of events recorded using the different time systems. But at any rate, it is still much more likely that those were separate events, Klendagon and Earth's dino extinction.

~28 Million years, give or take, between the two events is still a lot of time, regardless of how the different lengths of the days and years compare between the two time systems.

Edit: fixing quote

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 30 janvier 2011 - 06:40 .

[HdS84]

I assume that the reapers have an interest in "continuing food production" - they probably do not want a huge "all races" civ for one time followed by a huge gap of nothing. They have control of the mass relay network - so if they have identified a list of "potential reapenings in the future" they could probably shut down parts of the network to prevent discovery.

That doesn't guarantee that no one stumbles upon these places but the galaxy is BIG. Remeber, even the council races visited less then 1% of space. The other 99% a probably lots of demolished post-garden worlds and a stock of garden worlds for the future.

[Kenshen]

Vaenier wrote...

przemichal wrote...

One more thing. Do not you know that Earth was frozen for a really long time (after the extinction of the dinosaurs)?

There is always the equator, that was always a good place to live. And there has been land based life forms on the planet for 360 million years. Plants for 475 million. It has never been so iced over that you could not live on its surface in that time frame.

Not completely right however proving that the Earth was one big ice ball isn't easy to do.  It is thought that at least once, over 650 million years ago, the entire planet was covererd by ice.  Even then you would be surprised what survives when extremes take over.

[Praetor Knight]

aryon69 wrote...

Not completely right however proving that the Earth was one big ice ball isn't easy to do.  It is thought that at least once, over 650 million years ago, the entire planet was covererd by ice.  Even then you would be surprised what survives when extremes take over.

North America and Europe has evidence of glaciers carving the terrain from previous Ice Ages, but the equatorial area of the globe should have been clear of ice and the ocean levels world wide would have been much lower then today.

So if there was any sort of civilization, older then what is currently known and accepted, they would most likely be found along the coastlines of that lower level of water.

And there are underwater ruins that are being explored worldwide. Here's a few websites with some info on them: http://www.altarcheologie.nl/

http://www.squidoo.c...ntcivilizations

The question is when exactly were these sites inhabited? And where did they go as the world changed over time?

[Kenshen]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

aryon69 wrote...

Not completely right however proving that the Earth was one big ice ball isn't easy to do.  It is thought that at least once, over 650 million years ago, the entire planet was covered by ice.  Even then you would be surprised what survives when extremes take over.

North America and Europe has evidence of glaciers carving the terrain from previous Ice Ages, but the equatorial area of the globe should have been clear of ice and the ocean levels world wide would have been much lower then today.

So if there was any sort of civilization, older then what is currently known and accepted, they would most likely be found along the coastlines of that lower level of water.

And there are underwater ruins that are being explored worldwide. Here's a few websites with some info on them: http://www.altarcheologie.nl/

http://www.squidoo.c...ntcivilizations

The question is when exactly were these sites inhabited? And where did they go as the world changed over time?

Our planet is constantly changing however to us that change isn't easy to see.  What we see today looked much different back then.  There are many things that can cause an ice age.  The most common is vast reduction of solar output from our sun.  If that continues for a period longer than normal then the ice will form and flow south (or north if below the equator).   If enough of the planet is covered by ice then any solar energy we receive just gets reflected back into space and we get colder.  So it is possible that our entire planet can and has been covered in ice.  What caused it to thaw is anyone's guess.  Oh and just so you know during any ice age the ocean level drops off a lot. 

Modifié par aryon69, 31 janvier 2011 - 04:29 .

[SmokePants]

I think our relay was covered in ice and inaccessible. The Protheans may have arrived via FTL and temporarily thawed the relay (I guess its defroster was on the fritz?)

And Earth really has no resources other than a life-supporting biosphere. Asteroids and comets would be much better options. But really, any space-faring species is probably going to have all the material it could ever need right in its home solar system.

Modifié par SmokePants, 31 janvier 2011 - 06:25 .