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[Bahlgan]

USArmyParatrooper wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

It is no lie and it is no understatement when saying those who dual wield (whether warrior or rogue) will have many advantages in the department of agility and utility. Two handed warriors, however, hold the tanking front line field of advantage as well as more damage in general, thus able to finish off enemies quicker (if not using solely auto attacks) and being able to withstand most demoralizing effects, such as knockdown and stun. For those reasons I appreciate the two handed warrior more.

I actually disagree with this. Whether you have DW or 2H has no bearing on your tanking ability, and DWers do way more damage when you factor in strike speed. 

Disagree with damage output or disagree with tanking? Two Handed warriors do hold a better front line position because of Indomitable, thus making them immune to some disastrous effects. Dual wielders don't have those advantages except maybe through armor runes in Awakening. And as far as damage output goes, that is entirely up to how efficient one is, I just happen to do more damage with my 2h because of spamming skills.

[cJohnOne]

After thunking about it for a while, Once you get 42 Strength it wouldn't be that bad to get Constitution for a two handed warrrior. I think the Advantage of defense doesn't apply to two handed warriors. There still is a clear advantage with having defense in other classes.

[termokanden]

Well I think it's a pretty bad choice. You need to be dealing maximum damage to survive and get stamina back as a 2h warrior. Constitution gives you a small amount of health per point and doesn't make you any better in combat.



Last but not least, your damage with 2h weapons scales very well with strength. It's just a shame not to get the most out of this.

[Doriath]

Never spend a single point in constitution unless you intend to tank (or are going for blood mage). Now why you would attempt to tank without the shield tree makes little sense to me but, to each their own.

When it comes to attributes, a two-handed damage dealer only needs enough willpower to chain cast your bread and butter (20-25). The rest goes into strength. The power behind the two handed build is that it is based entirely around one attribute, and that attribute takes care of all of your relevant prereqs, damage, and combined with proper accessories, your attack as well.

The fact is, the two-hander requires less investment in multiple attributes than the dual wielder. This is based solely on the prereqs for a dual wielder being governed by dexterity. This forces you to invest in it early to unlock talents, and because the two-hander is focusing on only one attribute, it becomes stronger more easily than the dual wielder. By late game the dual wielder is the better damage dealer but it doesn't blow the two-hander out of the water.

From the standpoint of maximum efficiency throughout the game, I believe the two-hander to be the better option for a melee damage dealer out of the warrior class. Both are very viable though.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 10 février 2011 - 07:51 .

[termokanden]

Why do you need dexterity when strength provides the exact same attack rating per point?

[Doriath]

termokanden wrote...

Why do you need dexterity when strength provides the exact same attack rating per point?

Good point. Possibly defense, but its negligible. Even less secondary attrribute investment than I thought, which would only make the two-hander even stronger from a damge standpoint. I'll modify my previous post.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 10 février 2011 - 07:50 .

[termokanden]

Some people (including myself) would argue that you only need to put points in strength because you'll get enough stamina anyway. If you have DLC items, you have enough stamina from level 1 without ever investing in willpower.

[Doriath]

If you know that for a fact, then that would be the best rout possible. Pure strength would be awesome if I can get away with it, though I cast abilities constantly. I will have to create a new character this weekend and give it a go.

[termokanden]

I know for a fact that I didn't have any stamina problems when I did this. But I do have DLC items.

[Viktor McCury]

termokanden wrote...

I know for a fact that I didn't have any stamina problems when I did this. But I do have DLC items.

Circle of Magi + Death Blow and you'll be ok...

For my first 2h. warrior my top armor was Wade's Dragon Scale (Heavy Version), for my second 2h. warrior I'll try the Effort Set.

Right now he's choice for armor is the Warden Commander Set (DLC item). I've seen some discussions  about the best armor for a  2H.W., heavy or massive but whatever version you ask for the Dragon Scale Armor will be your best choice I.M.O. and it's not a DLC item. The Chasing Great Maul is nota a DLC item too and it's the best weapon for a 2h. warrior (my second choice would be a DLC item though - Starfang or Nug Crusher).

Modifié par Viktor McCury, 11 février 2011 - 01:18 .

[termokanden]

I thought you'd be OK in any case but I didn't try 2h before I had the items. With those you really have more stamina than you can use even from level 1. Maybe that's also why I have such a hard time understanding why people want 20-30 willpower for their warriors.



As for damage. I've played 2h 100% strength and DW 36 dex rest strength. I haven't really made a serious comparison, but it was my impression that my 2h warrior killed bosses much quicker.

[Viktor McCury]

termokanden wrote...

I thought you'd be OK in any case but I didn't try 2h before I had the items. With those you really have more stamina than you can use even from level 1. Maybe that's also why I have such a hard time understanding why people want 20-30 willpower for their warriors.

As for damage. I've played 2h 100% strength and DW 36 dex rest strength. I haven't really made a serious comparison, but it was my impression that my 2h warrior killed bosses much quicker.

I don't understand either. I can't imagine a warrior build that would need so much willpower.

Same impression. I.M.O. two handed talents are more usefull and Indomitable makes the 2 H. Warrior the best option.

[Alren]

2H Warrior is easier to build. All points into strength, with gear and fade bonuses you will have enough willpower.



for Dual Weapon, it isn't quite as straightforward. For str based 2 longsword DW you need base 36 dex (I would go with 28 dex and then the 8 you can get from fade bonuses . I say 8 because there are 4 fonts of dexterity and you can glitch them to give you 2 points per font) then the rest into strength



2H warrior can tank better than the DW. A templar 2H can get to 100% spell resist and with indomitable be a really good tank.



An option for dual weapon tank is the dex build with minimum strength to use gear and the rest into dex and using daggers. your dex will be high enough to tank, but mages will be a problem unless you go templar line, but i find that beserk/champ is better for DW