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[Kidd]

 I've sat down for a long time trying to figure out why one would want to do so aside from "because BioWare allowed me to" or "I don't like Morrigan and I stab what I don't like 'cause I'm clinically insane", but I simply can't justify it.

Please help me out.

[ejoslin]

If a warden doesn't trust her and thinks she's a menace perhaps?

[Kidd]

That makes so much sense I feel ashamed for creating the topic in the first place =D Clouded by own feelings and judgement, much? =D

[wickedgoodreed]

Don't feel bad KiddDaBeauty, even after hearing people explain their reasons, I still have a really difficult time wrapping my head around that particular choice too.



I also don't get why Morrigan would ask for permission to leave and then just stand there and wait for the warden to stab her with the murder knife either...seems really out of character.

[Kidd]

Yeah, the cutscene seems to play quite weirdly simply because Morrigan needs to throw out her plot bomb regardless of your stance on her



I wonder if I'll ever play a character where I'll end up taking that path. There's just so many reasons not to hate her for what she's done. Simply being grateful for being offered a chance at life should make most happy with their friend, methinks ^^

[FellowerOfOdin]

The ending is stupid and has zero meaning.



Instead of making a proper ending, David gave Morrigan her impenetrable plot armor and thus ruined it. Then again, if you don't like Morrigan...why would you want to play WH to begin with? My canon character did not play WH because he considers Morrigan to be a threat to the whole continent and being the Lawful Good guy he is, he would kill her the second she loses her plot armor.

[LupusYondergirl]

You can take the attitude that she's giving you a chance to survive. Some of my Wardens did.

You can also take the side that is utterly horrified by the thought of giving an old god in the body of an infant to an emotionally unstable woman raised by a centuries old half-crazed abomination. Particularly when the untainted old god soul she wants is the very thing darkspawn spend centuries looking for, and she offers zero assurances that they won't be attracted to the child in the very same way.

It is very easy to go from that to wondering just why she wants personal, direct control over something that could kickstart another blight. And, well, once you're on that train of thought it's pretty easy to see her as a huge danger both to the Wardens and the world as a whole.

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 29 janvier 2011 - 07:40 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Having just played through Witch Hunt last night, I was confused by many of my dialogue options. Especially the 'Paying for what she's done' type lines. Even she seemed confused when you bring up betrayal.

I thought she was pretty straightforward in Origins about the whole 'sleep with me (or not) and you'll never see me again' thing. Was there an option where she would have betrayed you?

Didn't notice the stabbing dialogue option. I may run through the ending again and see what I missed. Or just write the whole thing off as not terribly exciting DLC.

[Zjarcal]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Don't feel bad KiddDaBeauty, even after hearing people explain their reasons, I still have a really difficult time wrapping my head around that particular choice too.

I also don't get why Morrigan would ask for permission to leave and then just stand there and wait for the warden to stab her with the murder knife either...seems really out of character.

Although after one particular debate with someone who made this choice I learned to accept that it can be a reasonably justified decision (as in, you don't have to be "stupid evil" to choose it)... I still have a hard time dealing with it.

And you make an excellent point. It doesn't make sense for Morrigan to ask for permission to leave and just wait to be gutted. I guess since Morrigan doesn't really die here, this was just Bioware's way to please those who wanted that particular choice. It could've been done better though, with the warden actually stopping Morrigan after she attempts to leave instead (or maybe even a fight?).

[M-Taylor]

My Warden did it after the death of her lover, Alistair.

She blamed Morrigan (in a very odd, twisted way) for the death of Alistair. She and her did not get along during the OC campaign, and after Alistair died, my Neutral Good mage just kinda slipped. She went to chaotic Neutral, verging on Evil, during Awakening.. and then there stood the woman she thought held the most responsibility of Alistairs death. She had the power to prevent his death, it just compromised my mages morals so she declined.

I mean, it's a flimsy reason when written down, but it made so much sense when playing. She just became so bitter and resentful, and then came along the chance to kill the woman that gave her the choice to 'get out' of certain death, but she declined due to morals. Morrigan to her, represented her biggest regret.

So yeah.. made sense for a FEW Wardens, I would've thought. >.>

Modifié par M-Taylor, 29 janvier 2011 - 08:07 .

[Zjarcal]

M-Taylor wrote...

My Warden did it after the death of her lover, Alistair.

She blamed Morrigan (in a very odd, twisted way) for the death of Alistair. She and her did not get along during the OC campaign, and after Alistair died, my Neutral Good mage just kinda slipped. She went to chaotic Neutral, verging on Evil, during Awakening.. and then there stood the woman she thought held the most responsibility of Alistairs death. She had the power to prevent his death, it just compromised my mages morals so she declined.

I mean, it's a flimsy reason when written down, but it made so much sense when playing. She just became so bitter and resentful, and then came along the chance to kill the woman that gave her the choice to 'get out' of certain death, but she declined due to morals. Morrigan to her, represented her biggest regret.

So yeah.. made sense for a FEW Wardens, I would've thought. >.>

So I take that your mage really blamed herself for not having made the compromise and took out her frustration on Morrigan?

Interesting roleplaying for sure, although this seems more like a wacky warden doing something crazy (reminds me of my City Elf) rather than a reasonably thought out decision. An interesting view nonetheless!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 29 janvier 2011 - 09:34 .

[M-Taylor]

Zjarcal wrote...

M-Taylor wrote...

My Warden did it after the death of her lover, Alistair.

She blamed Morrigan (in a very odd, twisted way) for the death of Alistair. She and her did not get along during the OC campaign, and after Alistair died, my Neutral Good mage just kinda slipped. She went to chaotic Neutral, verging on Evil, during Awakening.. and then there stood the woman she thought held the most responsibility of Alistairs death. She had the power to prevent his death, it just compromised my mages morals so she declined.

I mean, it's a flimsy reason when written down, but it made so much sense when playing. She just became so bitter and resentful, and then came along the chance to kill the woman that gave her the choice to 'get out' of certain death, but she declined due to morals. Morrigan to her, represented her biggest regret.

So yeah.. made sense for a FEW Wardens, I would've thought. >.>

So I take that your mage really blamed herself for not having made the compromise and took out her frustration on Morrigan?

Interesting roleplaying for sure, although this seems more like a wacky warden doing something crazy (reminds me of my City Elf) rather than a reasonably thought out decision. An interesting view nonetheless!

Yeah, basically. xD.

I like my Wardens to go through something that changes their personality. I liked the transition of my mage Warden going from a niave, sheltered and blissfully ignorant thing that was just your typical good character, to someone who realized that the world is not fair. Things are not perfect, and sometimes, the gritty option is what's best over all. (Origins -> Awakening). That out look combined with her recent loss sent her into a very dark place, and I sorta imagine that she will never recover and likely will commit suicide.

That's totally morbid, but she's my favourite play through and I love talking about her. >.>..

But yeah, wacky! She didn't kill Morrigan under the right mind frame, and I imagine her feeling a huge amount of guilt. But to me, it represents the change from Neutral Good to somewhat Evil, and how Origins/Awakenings changed her personality.

[Prince Keldar]

The first playthrough of WH, I killed Morrigan because my HN Rogue convinced Alistair to go through with the dark ritual. Even though she saved Alistair's life my character felt she was too dangerous to allow to live. Not from a romantic standpoint but for Alistair. After all imagine what would happen if it came out that Alistair had fathered a child of an Apostate. Even though it would have been illegitimate it could still make a claim to the throne.



......maybe I have been reading too much history of the English Monarchy. lol

[Cutlass Jack]

Prince Keldar wrote...

The first playthrough of WH, I killed Morrigan because my HN Rogue convinced Alistair to go through with the dark ritual. Even though she saved Alistair's life my character felt she was too dangerous to allow to live. Not from a romantic standpoint but for Alistair. After all imagine what would happen if it came out that Alistair had fathered a child of an Apostate. Even though it would have been illegitimate it could still make a claim to the throne.

......maybe I have been reading too much history of the English Monarchy. lol

Well that doesn't really change that there's still a kid out there. With Morrigan dead, you won't know where and if she left any info with the child concerning the father...

[Zjarcal]

M-Taylor wrote...
Yeah, basically. xD.

I like my Wardens to go through something that changes their personality. I liked the transition of my mage Warden going from a niave, sheltered and blissfully ignorant thing that was just your typical good character, to someone who realized that the world is not fair. Things are not perfect, and sometimes, the gritty option is what's best over all. (Origins -> Awakening). That out look combined with her recent loss sent her into a very dark place, and I sorta imagine that she will never recover and likely will commit suicide.

That's totally morbid, but she's my favourite play through and I love talking about her. >.>..

But yeah, wacky! She didn't kill Morrigan under the right mind frame, and I imagine her feeling a huge amount of guilt. But to me, it represents the change from Neutral Good to somewhat Evil, and how Origins/Awakenings changed her personality.

See, I love this!

Complex personalities, lead to much more interesting playthroughs. My City Elf goes through a similar transformation, but in the opposite direction. She starts as this loose cannon elf who's looking to take out her frustrations on everyone (which leads to many murder knife moments in the early game... :innocent:) and culminates in her decision to side with the werewolves, so that they can never be cured from their curse (the fact that they are the descendants of rapists reminds her of Vaughn). That she also gets to kill those p*ssy Dalish elves that called her a "flat ear" is only a bonus... 

Eventually though, she starts regretting that decision and begins to find some inner peace, but the initial part of that playthrough was certainly interesting. Nonetheless... she was a total whackjob!

The Water God wrote...

So no one killed Morrigan because their warden hated her alot?

I'm sure many did.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 29 janvier 2011 - 10:28 .

[thesuperdarkone]

An easier way to say why you kill her is if you play an Orlesian Warden who doesn't know her and thus would view her as a possible threat in the future.

[ejoslin]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

The first playthrough of WH, I killed Morrigan because my HN Rogue convinced Alistair to go through with the dark ritual. Even though she saved Alistair's life my character felt she was too dangerous to allow to live. Not from a romantic standpoint but for Alistair. After all imagine what would happen if it came out that Alistair had fathered a child of an Apostate. Even though it would have been illegitimate it could still make a claim to the throne.

......maybe I have been reading too much history of the English Monarchy. lol

Well that doesn't really change that there's still a kid out there. With Morrigan dead, you won't know where and if she left any info with the child concerning the father...

There's not necessarily a child.

[Eber]

You kill her for the bounty of course!


Note that you only get this codex entry if you play an Orleasian but much of it would apply to a Warden from Origins aswell. Certainly the templars would still consider her a maleficar and the wardens would still be interested in the swamp witches and their role in things.

Modifié par Eber, 29 janvier 2011 - 10:44 .

[thesuperdarkone]

ejoslin wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

The first playthrough of WH, I killed Morrigan because my HN Rogue convinced Alistair to go through with the dark ritual. Even though she saved Alistair's life my character felt she was too dangerous to allow to live. Not from a romantic standpoint but for Alistair. After all imagine what would happen if it came out that Alistair had fathered a child of an Apostate. Even though it would have been illegitimate it could still make a claim to the throne.

......maybe I have been reading too much history of the English Monarchy. lol

Well that doesn't really change that there's still a kid out there. With Morrigan dead, you won't know where and if she left any info with the child concerning the father...

There's not necessarily a child.

 

Morrigan doesn't die, she simply gets injured and falls through the mirror. This makes the stabbing a bad move since now you have an angry Morrigan and possibly angry god child against you

[ejoslin]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

The first playthrough of WH, I killed Morrigan because my HN Rogue convinced Alistair to go through with the dark ritual. Even though she saved Alistair's life my character felt she was too dangerous to allow to live. Not from a romantic standpoint but for Alistair. After all imagine what would happen if it came out that Alistair had fathered a child of an Apostate. Even though it would have been illegitimate it could still make a claim to the throne.

......maybe I have been reading too much history of the English Monarchy. lol

Well that doesn't really change that there's still a kid out there. With Morrigan dead, you won't know where and if she left any info with the child concerning the father...

There's not necessarily a child.

 

Morrigan doesn't die, she simply gets injured and falls through the mirror. This makes the stabbing a bad move since now you have an angry Morrigan and possibly angry god child against you

I'm not making any judgement on whether it's a good or a bad idea.  I just gave a motivation as to why someone may choose to kill her, and pointed out that there is not necessarily a child.

[Cutlass Jack]

ejoslin wrote...

There's not necessarily a child.

There was in the scenario I quoted.

[ejoslin]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

There's not necessarily a child.

There was in the scenario I quoted.

Hah, that's true.  My apologies.