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[Wretch11]

 Now, it's no secret that the PS3 doesn't fair well when talking about Anti-aliasing. So, although I'm not one to care about graphics all that much, I couldn't help but notice just how much the lack of AA diminishes the game's overall visual quality when compared to the PC version. That said, i'm currently playing on an old 480p CRT T.V, using an S-video connection. 

My question is the following, seeing as i'm about to get me a pretty decent LCD screen HDTV, I was wondering if upgrading to 1080p with HDMI might help the lack of AA a bit, maybe smoothe a bit of the jaggedness out? Now I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to the technicalities behind rendering game graphics, so AA and screen resolution/video input might be completely unrelated to one another, so forgive me if that is the case. Anyways, Thank you in advance for responding.

[kingkranz]

Yes. Get a new tv, that tv you have is old. Get a 1080p plasma and gold tip plated HDMI cable...you will definitely see a big difference. If you want a LCD, make sure its 1080p and 240 hertz.

Modifié par kingkranz, 29 janvier 2011 - 04:54 .

[Wretch11]

Call me dumb, but why is 240 hertz a must? I was under the impression that 120 hertz would do just fine

Also, since I seem to have the attention of someone who knows more then myself on such matters, could you possibly give me some purchasing advice? My budget is roughly between 1000$ and 1200$ CAD. (CAD=Canadian currency).

I was of getting something along these lines:

- LCD between 40''-47''
- native 1080p
- 120hz
- 24p/5:5 pulldown
- decent backlighting

Any recomendations?

Thx in advance

Modifié par Wretch11, 29 janvier 2011 - 05:37 .

[Morducai]

Wretch11 wrote...

 Now, it's no secret that the PS3 doesn't fair well when talking about Anti-aliasing. So, although I'm not one to care about graphics all that much, I couldn't help but notice just how much the lack of AA diminishes the game's overall visual quality when compared to the PC version. That said, i'm currently playing on an old 480p CRT T.V, using an S-video connection. 

My question is the following, seeing as i'm about to get me a pretty decent LCD screen HDTV, I was wondering if upgrading to 1080p with HDMI might help the lack of AA a bit, maybe smoothe a bit of the jaggedness out? Now I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to the technicalities behind rendering game graphics, so AA and screen resolution/video input might be completely unrelated to one another, so forgive me if that is the case. Anyways, Thank you in advance for responding.

No. Because Mass Effect on the PS3 doesn't do 1080P and screen res has nothing do with AA. 

Modifié par Morducai, 29 janvier 2011 - 07:28 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

kingkranz wrote...

Yes. Get a new tv, that tv you have is old. Get a 1080p plasma and gold tip plated HDMI cable...you will definitely see a big difference. If you want a LCD, make sure its 1080p and 240 hertz.

Or go all the way and special order an HDMI cable with full 24k gold in it? 

Eh, it's not really necessary, there's a difference between that and normal HDMI with a normal 1080p TV with 60Hz, but it's relly not worth pouring loads of cash into it.

[kingkranz]

A 120 hertz LCD would be ok I believe if your budget is tight. Definitely don't get a 60 hertz LCD. Plasma's went down in price and you could buy close to a 50 inch for your budget price. Go with Samsung, they got great reviews. Try to get one with at least 2 HDMI ports, if not more.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

kingkranz wrote...

A 120 hertz LCD would be ok I believe if your budget is tight. Definitely don't get a 60 hertz LCD. Plasma's went down in price and you could buy close to a 50 inch for your budget price. Go with Samsung, they got great reviews. Try to get one with at least 2 HDMI ports, if not more.

I prefer LED, less wear and tear.  Though mine IS Samsung, AND 3D.

Back on topic, I would say your TV being HD might help, but beyond that, it shouldn't have much effect.

[kingkranz]

True most games are not 1080p yet, but its good to plan for future games so you don't need to buy another tv. Yeah LED is probably the best, but more expensive I believe. Plasma and LCD's went down in price.

[Sashimi_taco]

kingkranz wrote...

Yes. Get a new tv, that tv you have is old. Get a 1080p plasma and gold tip plated HDMI cable...you will definitely see a big difference. If you want a LCD, make sure its 1080p and 240 hertz.

A gold plating is not going to make a difference. a 5 dollar hdmi cable is just as good at a 100 dollar one.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

kingkranz wrote...

Yes. Get a new tv, that tv you have is old. Get a 1080p plasma and gold tip plated HDMI cable...you will definitely see a big difference. If you want a LCD, make sure its 1080p and 240 hertz.

A gold plating is not going to make a difference. a 5 dollar hdmi cable is just as good at a 100 dollar one.

Correction, it will make a slight difference, but the user won't likely notice it.  It's really only worth getting if you have something which requires it.

[Destrier77]

RIght i know all about this having worked in the industry/



Ok HDMI cables are all the same, its digital so its either on or off. Gold cables dont make a difference like they did with analog signals where the signal strenght mattered. The difference is a cheap one could fail eventually, but unlikely. I have tested this extensively and also know, expensive cables are for profit. I wont say what i think of people who buy them.



Second off Plasma is probably your best bet for gaming and real cinema colours. Panasonic make amazing tvs, reliable and probably the best bang for your buck. Samsung are nice at a cheaper level but not so reliable, LG used to be bottom of the pile but are improving. Sony are up there with panasonic but in my opinion expensive for what you get. But they do give excellent warrenties (uk)



So thats my advice.

PS S-Video is the worst connection you can get for picture, worse than scart...

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Ok HDMI cables are all the same, its digital so its either on or off. Gold cables dont make a difference like they did with analog signals where the signal strenght mattered. The difference is a cheap one could fail eventually, but unlikely. I have tested this extensively and also know, expensive cables are for profit. I wont say what i think of people who buy them.

That's mostly true if you're talking about gold plated stuff.  Oh the difference is there, but it's not worth paying top dollar for.  But yeah, for digital, the advantage to gold plated is more in terms of reliability than signal strength.  Though we're talking 1%-0.1% more reliable, not anything drastic.  24K gold may be worth a premium on that front, but even then you probably shouldn't need it unless something is damaged.

[kingkranz]

Gold plated should give a slightly better connection, which can slightly enhance picture quality I believe. I tested a cheap non-gold plated 10 dollar HDMI cable and a 50 dollar cable and did notice a little better picture quality. They are both digital signals though. You can find a reasonably priced HDMI cable on amazon. In my opinion plasma gives better cinema quality pictures and looks better for games. Deeper and sharper black colors.

[Saremei]

There is absolutely no need in having 240 Hz lcd tvs to play modern consoles on. 60 Hz is the max refresh rate of console games except maybe some 3D TV display modes. For PC connectivity, the higher refresh rates actually make a difference, but console wise, this generation is best left at 60 Hz TVs.



As far as HDMI goes, I'd never spend any more than $10 on an HDMI cable. With no moving parts, no measurable heat generation, and hopefully installed in a place where nothing pulls on the cable, they will never fail. The signal quality is always the same since you are not dealing with analog signals. I'm always shocked to see people go purchase a Monster brand HDMI cable expecting a higher quality signal. Digital is digital. You do not get slight variations in quality. You get a picture or massive corruption. No middle ground.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

kingkranz wrote...

Gold plated should give a slightly better connection, which can slightly enhance picture quality I believe. I tested a cheap non-gold plated 10 dollar HDMI cable and a 50 dollar cable and did notice a little better picture quality. They are both digital signals though. You can find a reasonably priced HDMI cable on amazon. In my opinion plasma gives better cinema quality pictures and looks better for games. Deeper and sharper black colors.

It more than likely helps it, but in the same sense that painting your house protects it from rocks being thrown at it.  Gold plating is used in circuitry, but  it's more of a marketing tool for parts manufacturers, than it is to the actual PCB makers.  It has its place in precision design, but not much beyond that. 

For household plug-in devices, do yourself a favor and do NOT pay extra for it.  If it were 24K gold, then we could talk.

[Destrier77]

ohh one thing i forgot to add, there are different "versions" of hdmi, so get the most up to date version. I forget now its like 1.2 or something vs 1.0. have a look on the web or mail me if you want me to check up. It just means the cable is a bit more future proof, a lot of the connections in it wouldnt be used yet though with most things, but they are there for later.

[kingkranz]

Saremei wrote...

There is absolutely no need in having 240 Hz lcd tvs to play modern consoles on. 60 Hz is the max refresh rate of console games except maybe some 3D TV display modes. For PC connectivity, the higher refresh rates actually make a difference, but console wise, this generation is best left at 60 Hz TVs.

As far as HDMI goes, I'd never spend any more than $10 on an HDMI cable. With no moving parts, no measurable heat generation, and hopefully installed in a place where nothing pulls on the cable, they will never fail. The signal quality is always the same since you are not dealing with analog signals. I'm always shocked to see people go purchase a Monster brand HDMI cable expecting a higher quality signal. Digital is digital. You do not get slight variations in quality. You get a picture or massive corruption. No middle ground.

Getting a 60 Hertz tv would be a huge mistake.  Movies and sports will be affected.  I would get at least a 120 hertz LCD  tv.  Plasma is always 600 hertz I believe.  Yeah you could play games and watch tv on a 60 hertz LCD, but it won't look great.  I've seen gold plated HDMI cables for 20 bucks online.

Modifié par kingkranz, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:38 .

[Ryusennin]

Movies can only be properly displayed in 24 Hz. "Upsmoothing" them to 60 Hz or higher is an absolute heresy.

120 Hz for sports? Whatever floats your boat.

Modifié par Ryusennin, 30 janvier 2011 - 03:11 .

[Frangible]

In many cases the claims of "120 Hz" or "240 Hz" have nothing to do with the LCD panel, and are simply marketing terms referring to motion interpolation designed to make 24/30 FPS video content more "smooth". Note this doesn't work especially well with video games.



Though the response times of modern panels varies, LCD panels have fundamental limitations on how quickly they can be updated, especially for gray-gray transitions; the liquid crystals themselves only move so quickly. A true "240 Hz" S-PVA panel is physically impossible, for example. IPS panels are better than S-PVA in that regard, but not by a whole lot, and sacrifice black levels to do so.