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[TheRevanchist]

SirOccam wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Thats no reason to mention their LI, who did little to nothing to help them in retrospect. Besides Hawke will overshadow him by the end of the game.

Really? It seems logical that every member of the Warden's group would have gained some small measure of fame for having accompanied the Warden. But even then, remember that one possible LI might be the King of Ferelden. Another is a fabled Witch of the Wilds who mysteriously disappeared after (possibly) helping the Warden survive killing the Archdemon, which isn't supposed to be possible. And even so, the fact that they're romantically linked to the Warden should be more than enough reason for people to gossip about them. Look at Kate Middleton, for example.

In a game you can pretty much solo with no companions I would say they don't contribute all that much.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Auroras wrote...

Did you hear about the Warden King and Queen?" blah blah blah etc. But something around those lines.

Guy1:"Did you hear about how Zevran and the Warden doing.........?"
Guy2:"Where did you hear that!?"
Guy1:"From some guy named Zev."
Guy2:"You just got Zevraned."

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 29 janvier 2011 - 06:54 .

[London]

Kyle - that's fine. But it's not realistic to believe that just because you don't care, no one in the Free Marches would. I'd find it odd that no one cared at all at least during the point in the game where you are playing right after the blight. Maybe 10 years later no one would care in the Free Marches at that point, but not right at the height of the events.

[Wulfram]

Leliana's ballad about my dead Warden would be nice to hear.

[TheRevanchist]

The Warden did his job...period...someone should not be praised as a hero for doing their job. Although if people like Lady Gaga are idolized for whatever moronic reason I guess doing so for a Grey Warden makes just as much sense.

[SirOccam]

kylecouch wrote...

The Warden did his job...period...someone should not be praised as a hero for doing their job. Although if people like Lady Gaga are idolized for whatever moronic reason I guess doing so for a Grey Warden makes just as much sense.

They should if their job is giving their life to save the world.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know if I need to hear much about the love interest (well except maybe from Isabella if it was relevant), but I'd enjoy several mentions of their contributions to history. And I'd be nice to have it acknowledged where the hero was from.

[London]

The Warden CHOSE to become a Warden. My Warden could just have easily spent all of his time looking for his brother (Cousland), fighting for Eleven or Dwarvern interests, or researching magic. The Warden never was FORCED to be a Warden, he was recruited. He or she CHOSE to potentially sacrifice themselves to stop the blight.



I don't see how someone can equate this with just "doing their job". It's not like were asking for people to do cartwheels over the barista at starbucks making our coffee....

[Brockololly]

Lord_Saulot wrote...
Um, but you can't ignore the Blight.  That is as big and important as it gets and it very much affects the Free Marches.  Also, how are the major power struggles of the kingdom right across the strait not important in the Free Marches?  The average person might not know much, but anyone even slightly important in the Free Marches would likely have followed events in Ferelden.

Yeah, considering the whole point in Hawke going to Kirkwall is the Blight. Add in the fact that tons of Ferelden refugees are going to Kirkwall and that Kirkwall is practically next door to Ferlden and I don't think you can ignore it- maybe ten years down the road its not a big deal, but its not something you can ignore.


So likely Ferelden refugees will be chatting about the Blight, if nothing else.

SebastianDA wrote...

Like I said, look at the tabloid  industry. Millions of dollars are made spreading news about public  figures and their personal lives. Once a figure is someone of interest,  people want to know about their private lives.

If the Hero of  Ferelden killed the Archdemon with his girlfriend fighting by his side, a lot of people would have interest in hearing that. Then they'd  probably be interested in learning more about her too. It's just how  people work.

Maybe you don't care, but many do.

Exactly.

I don't want tons of references just for the sake of references. But if it seems like a natural spot to bring something up, do it. I'd be perfectly happy if maybe you run into another Warden and he/she just tells of rumors how the Hero of Ferelden is thought to have disappeared with some WItch of the Wilds. I'm pretty easy to please with that sort of thing. Mostly I'm worried the import process will be botched, considering there hasn't been a smooth import regarding Morrigan as of yet (Awakening's bugged Morrigan slide and Witch Hunt's buggy ending).

Modifié par Brockololly, 29 janvier 2011 - 07:12 .

[RosaAquafire]

SebastianDA wrote...

The Warden CHOSE to become a Warden. My Warden could just have easily spent all of his time looking for his brother (Cousland), fighting for Eleven or Dwarvern interests, or researching magic. The Warden never was FORCED to be a Warden, he was recruited. He or she CHOSE to potentially sacrifice themselves to stop the blight.

The Dalish Warden sure didn't neccessarily choose. You could make a case for the others, too, sure, but in the Dalish origin, your option is pretty much "die" or "become a Warden."

[Morrigans God son]

Well I at least hope to hear somthing about my warden! How about tell us where the bugger disappeared too. That would be a start. And Oh.......yeah, the romance.

Edit: I hope to god, that there are no bugs! That would just ruin everything for me. I wouldn't even play, because I can't be assed with more bugs.

Modifié par Morrigans God son, 29 janvier 2011 - 07:15 .

[TheRevanchist]

SirOccam wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The Warden did his job...period...someone should not be praised as a hero for doing their job. Although if people like Lady Gaga are idolized for whatever moronic reason I guess doing so for a Grey Warden makes just as much sense.

They should if their job is giving their life to save the world.

Aha...but thats the thing isn't it? not every Warden does that. They decide to do a ritual which is suspisious in every way in order to avoid the cost. Such a person should not be considered a hero because they are unwilling to accept the fate they are chosen to bear.

[London]

I didn't play that origin so I didn't know about the Dalish one.



Even still they chose to follow through; after Duncan died what would have prevented the Warden from just leaving if they wanted to?



Anyway you could also argue that soldiers are just "doing their job" when they die in our wars; would it follow that Veteran's Day is pointless? Any time someone risks that much of themselves to do their job, they deserve respect (IMO).

[TJPags]

SebastianDA wrote...

The Warden CHOSE to become a Warden. My Warden could just have easily spent all of his time looking for his brother (Cousland), fighting for Eleven or Dwarvern interests, or researching magic. The Warden never was FORCED to be a Warden, he was recruited. He or she CHOSE to potentially sacrifice themselves to stop the blight.

I don't see how someone can equate this with just "doing their job". It's not like were asking for people to do cartwheels over the barista at starbucks making our coffee....

My warden was conscripted. 

As for all those people fleeing Ferelden and going to Kirkwall - they left Ferelden.  How would they hear all these little details about what was going on in the country they left?

Sure, today, we have 24 hour news on TV, radio, we have newspapers, and of course the internet.  It's easy to share information.  And litle things that happen in a small town in Europe can become huge news all over the world in hours.

Thedas is not the modern world.  It takes time to travel from one place to another.  It takes time for information to travel.  Information becomes corrupted over time.

Sure, I expect we'll hear about the Blight ending.  I expect we'll hear who is ruling Ferelden and/or Orzamar even.  I expect to hear about major events, perhaps the purging of the Ferelden Mage Tower.  I don't expect to hear about things like Carta-boss Jarvia being killed.  I don't expect to hear details of how the Sacred Ashes were found (or defiled, or not).

I sure don't want to hear details about the Warden and the minor things he/she did.  I expect these details to be lost or changed in the telling, if they're even enough to be told.  Crime lord in Orzamar being killed?  So what.  Some dwarf being allowed to study in the mage tower?  Until she writes her book, so what?  The real story of what happened in Redcliffe?  Nope, don't expect to hear that.

Lot's of people never even saw the Warden.  I'd even like to see debates about whether the Warden was a human or an Elf or a dwarf.  I sure don't want to hear "hey, did you hear?  The warden's LI was seen in the Anderfels . . . . "  How would people even KNOW that, in a world without TMZ??

[Akizora]

With Dalish Origin:

Isabella: I did meet the Warden once, twice and then a third time...It was a lovely evening, he even brought along a wild Orlesian girl..I forgot her name but it wasn't her name I was focused on anyway if you know what I mean?

Merril: Please stop, I didn't need that image in my head.

Isabella: I try to keep the image in my head as often as possible, especially when I'm alone.

Aveline: Is sex all you think about Isabella?

Isabella: No, just when I'm bored, fighting, sleeping, drinking or eating.

Aveline: That's all we've been doing.

Isabella: mmm

Modifié par Akizora, 29 janvier 2011 - 07:24 .

[TheRevanchist]

RosaAquafire wrote...

SebastianDA wrote...

The Warden CHOSE to become a Warden. My Warden could just have easily spent all of his time looking for his brother (Cousland), fighting for Eleven or Dwarvern interests, or researching magic. The Warden never was FORCED to be a Warden, he was recruited. He or she CHOSE to potentially sacrifice themselves to stop the blight.

The Dalish Warden sure didn't neccessarily choose. You could make a case for the others, too, sure, but in the Dalish origin, your option is pretty much "die" or "become a Warden."

Oh? that seems to be the same for pretty much all the Origins. City Elf = execution or wardens. Dwarf Commoner = execution or wardens. Dwarf Noble = die in the deep roads or wardens. Human Noble = be killed by a traitor or wardens. The only exception is the Mage.

[TheRevanchist]

TJPags wrote...

SebastianDA wrote...

The Warden CHOSE to become a Warden. My Warden could just have easily spent all of his time looking for his brother (Cousland), fighting for Eleven or Dwarvern interests, or researching magic. The Warden never was FORCED to be a Warden, he was recruited. He or she CHOSE to potentially sacrifice themselves to stop the blight.

I don't see how someone can equate this with just "doing their job". It's not like were asking for people to do cartwheels over the barista at starbucks making our coffee....

My warden was conscripted. 

As for all those people fleeing Ferelden and going to Kirkwall - they left Ferelden.  How would they hear all these little details about what was going on in the country they left?

Sure, today, we have 24 hour news on TV, radio, we have newspapers, and of course the internet.  It's easy to share information.  And litle things that happen in a small town in Europe can become huge news all over the world in hours.

Thedas is not the modern world.  It takes time to travel from one place to another.  It takes time for information to travel.  Information becomes corrupted over time.

Sure, I expect we'll hear about the Blight ending.  I expect we'll hear who is ruling Ferelden and/or Orzamar even.  I expect to hear about major events, perhaps the purging of the Ferelden Mage Tower.  I don't expect to hear about things like Carta-boss Jarvia being killed.  I don't expect to hear details of how the Sacred Ashes were found (or defiled, or not).

I sure don't want to hear details about the Warden and the minor things he/she did.  I expect these details to be lost or changed in the telling, if they're even enough to be told.  Crime lord in Orzamar being killed?  So what.  Some dwarf being allowed to study in the mage tower?  Until she writes her book, so what?  The real story of what happened in Redcliffe?  Nope, don't expect to hear that.

Lot's of people never even saw the Warden.  I'd even like to see debates about whether the Warden was a human or an Elf or a dwarf.  I sure don't want to hear "hey, did you hear?  The warden's LI was seen in the Anderfels . . . . "  How would people even KNOW that, in a world without TMZ??

Exactly...this.

[Black_Warden]

kylecouch wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The Warden did his job...period...someone should not be praised as a hero for doing their job. Although if people like Lady Gaga are idolized for whatever moronic reason I guess doing so for a Grey Warden makes just as much sense.

They should if their job is giving their life to save the world.

Aha...but thats the thing isn't it? not every Warden does that. They decide to do a ritual which is suspisious in every way in order to avoid the cost. Such a person should not be considered a hero because they are unwilling to accept the fate they are chosen to bear.

But nobody would know about that. IIRC you don't even have to tell Alistari/Loghain that that's why you survived. so in the cse of the DR, all people people would know is that one of the last grey wardens in ferelden killed a sodding arch demon and lived

[RosaAquafire]

kylecouch wrote...
Oh? that seems to be the same for pretty much all the Origins. City Elf = execution or wardens. Dwarf Commoner = execution or wardens. Dwarf Noble = die in the deep roads or wardens. Human Noble = be killed by a traitor or wardens. The only exception is the Mage.

The difference with the Dalish origin is that with the others, you're spared by the recruitment, but with the Dalish, you are forced to go through the Joining or die to the taint.

Of course, you could just **** off and not kill the ArchDemon after that, but you'd have to be pretty amazingly dumb. By that point, the ArchDemon is living in your head, and also you're the only person who is capable of having the world not get destroyed. So, again, the choice is "do your job" or "die horribly."

[London]

TJPags' interpretation is probably the most realistic, unless Dragon Age 2 pulls an ME2 and tons of NPC's suddenly move out of Ferelden and end up meeting up with Hawke. But even then, what sense would they have to be just standing around talking about the Warden?



But I think if Hawke is walking around in a Tavern and a comment here and there is made about the Warden once in a while that's fine.



I think most people are looking forward to immersing themselves in Hawke at this point, and don't want tons of dialogue about the Warden. But a comment here and there would be nice for the PLAYER.

[drahelvete]

That s/he died horribly in a freak bronto baiting accident.

[bsbcaer]

SebastianDA wrote...

I agree - ending something like the blight that could have easily spread to other reasons deserves some kind of recognition and respect. I want at least ONE comment about my warden and his LI also.

A "Hero" would be like a celebrity of that time. At least someone in the world would care about "gossipy" things like his marital status. Look at Americans with theri tabloids - or international news about Prince Harry's wedding. People do care about these things.

It may be a blight to us, but because it didn't spread outside of Ferelden, it could just be seen as a large darkspawn excursion to other places...

Personally, I want as little as possible references to my warden.  Key events (in my mind) are who rules Orzammar, who rules Ferelden, and Ultimate Sacrifice vs. Dark Ritual.

Think of what's happening in Egypt right now...are you more interested in who the new Vice President is and his stances on reform or are you more interested in who he's sleeping with?

[London]

I think the Archdemon appearing would have been enough to convince other nations that it was in fact at blight and not just some incursion.

[TheRevanchist]

Black_Warden wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The Warden did his job...period...someone should not be praised as a hero for doing their job. Although if people like Lady Gaga are idolized for whatever moronic reason I guess doing so for a Grey Warden makes just as much sense.

They should if their job is giving their life to save the world.

Aha...but thats the thing isn't it? not every Warden does that. They decide to do a ritual which is suspisious in every way in order to avoid the cost. Such a person should not be considered a hero because they are unwilling to accept the fate they are chosen to bear.

But nobody would know about that. IIRC you don't even have to tell Alistari/Loghain that that's why you survived. so in the cse of the DR, all people people would know is that one of the last grey wardens in ferelden killed a sodding arch demon and lived

idk about you but that would make me really suspisious that they live. Considering every other Warden thats ever stoped the Blight died doing so I would why he lived when all the others didn't. I wouldn't be flailing my arms around going "omg hes a bad ass he lived!"

[bsbcaer]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

They are the Hero of Ferelden...as such The Free Marches are not part of Ferelden and they should not really care what the Warden did because it don't really affect them all that much. (ignoreing the Blight)

Um, but you can't ignore the Blight.  That is as big and important as it gets and it very much affects the Free Marches.  Also, how are the major power struggles of the kingdom right across the strait not important in the Free Marches?  The average person might not know much, but anyone even slightly important in the Free Marches would likely have followed events in Ferelden.

You can easily ignore the blight.  Remember how much trouble there was in the first game convincing people actually involved in it that a blight was going on?  How much more difficult would it be to convince people outside of Ferelden that it was an actual blight?  Remember, historically (for the DA universe), blights are these big bad events where it's an epic life and death struggle between humanity (including dwarves and elves) vs. darkspawn on the surface that spreads throughout much of Thedas.  In this "blight" only Ferelden was affected.  Why would people outside of Ferelden believe it was a blight?