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[SandyWB]

I'd like a simple reference to if he/she died or survived, killed the arch-demon, and maybe if they are the co-ruler of Ferelden.

[bsbcaer]

SirOccam wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

They are the Hero of Ferelden...as such The Free Marches are not part of Ferelden and they should not really care what the Warden did because it don't really affect them all that much. (ignoreing the Blight)

Setting aside the Blight part (Lord_Saulot addressed that issue), remember that Fereldans have been fleeing their country in droves, ending up in Kirkwall and the Free Marches in large part. Even if Free Marchers didn't care, I'm sure the Fereldan expats would.

If Im not mistaken (correct me if Im wrong), but don't most of the Ferelden ex-pats arrive before the collecting of the armies and battle against the archdemon?  They might not even know there was a "Hero of Ferelden" if they chose to remain in Kirkwall after they flee Ferelden

[JediHealerCosmin]

Meanwhile, through the streets of Kirkwall...

Hawke: This is a nice city.
Varric: You don't know the half of it kid. Where were you raised?
Hawke: Lothering. In the central part of Ferelden.
Varric: Interesting. I've heard stories of Ferelden. Rumours say that King Alistair would never have succeeded without the help of his Grey Warden companion. The Hero of Ferelden they called him... Must have been a strong fellow.
Isabela: You can say that again...
Hawke: What?
Isabela: Oh nothing :innocent:

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Saving the world from a blight SHOULD make one a hero. But it doesn't matter if you think the Warden should be considered a hero or not. The fact is he/she is considered one. Just about Everyone in Ferelden calls the Warden one after the Battle of Denerim, and at least some of that fame should probably have traveled as far as the Free Marches.

[Black_Warden]

kylecouch wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...

But nobody would know about that. IIRC you don't even have to tell Alistari/Loghain that that's why you survived. so in the cse of the DR, all people people would know is that one of the last grey wardens in ferelden killed a sodding arch demon and lived

idk about you but that would make me really suspisious that they live. Considering every other Warden thats ever stoped the Blight died doing so I would why he lived when all the others didn't. I wouldn't be flailing my arms around going "omg hes a bad ass he lived!"

Ah, but you see, you're a person. a person (singular) is a smart, curious, often suspicious creature. people (plural) are dumb and gullible. add to that that it would be a story that has so many unknowns (to people not directly involved) and of such epic proportions, it would instantly be exagerrated and changed upon each retelling, by the time the tale got to Kirkwall, it would most likely be about how the warden was some kind of superman/woman who single handedly defeated an arch demon.

[Akizora]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Saving the world from a blight SHOULD make one a hero. But it doesn't matter if you think the Warden should be considered a hero or not. The fact is he/she is considered one. Just about Everyone in Ferelden calls the Warden one after the Battle of Denerim, and at least some of that fame should probably have traveled as far as the Free Marches.

It would make him a hero of Ferelden, the others would likely not care or concern themselves since they wouldn't really consider the blight much of a threat to them at that point. The Tevinter Imperium was in the middle of forcing elves into slavery when the blight was spreading without a care in the world, so I don't think he is the hero of the world.

[bsbcaer]

SebastianDA wrote...

I think the Archdemon appearing would have been enough to convince other nations that it was in fact at blight and not just some incursion.

Yeah...are you going to believe some shoddy peasant that they saw a dragon?  The blight was really constrained to Ferelden.  Like I said before, if there was so much trouble convincing high-ranking people that there was a blight going on in Ferelden in the first game, shouldn't it be much more difficult convincing people in other nations that a blight occurred when it didn't conform to what happened with previous blights?

[TheRevanchist]

Black_Warden wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...

But nobody would know about that. IIRC you don't even have to tell Alistari/Loghain that that's why you survived. so in the cse of the DR, all people people would know is that one of the last grey wardens in ferelden killed a sodding arch demon and lived

idk about you but that would make me really suspisious that they live. Considering every other Warden thats ever stoped the Blight died doing so I would why he lived when all the others didn't. I wouldn't be flailing my arms around going "omg hes a bad ass he lived!"

Ah, but you see, you're a person. a person (singular) is a smart, curious, often suspicious creature. people (plural) are dumb and gullible. add to that that it would be a story that has so many unknowns (to people not directly involved) and of such epic proportions, it would instantly be exagerrated and changed upon each retelling, by the time the tale got to Kirkwall, it would most likely be about how the warden was some kind of superman/woman who single handedly defeated an arch demon.

So basicly...what Hawke will be in ten years? lmao

[Black_Warden]

bsbcaer wrote...

If Im not mistaken (correct me if Im wrong), but don't most of the Ferelden ex-pats arrive before the collecting of the armies and battle against the archdemon?  They might not even know there was a "Hero of Ferelden" if they chose to remain in Kirkwall after they flee Ferelden

a good point, but this assumes that all of the refugees would arrive at roughly the same time. i'd imagine this isn't the case, and it wouldn't take more than a few later arrivals to the refugee camp for stories of the blight and the hero of fereldan (or even just the warden earlier in his adventure, clearing/saving the circle, essentially crowning the king of Orzammar, etc) to begin spreading like wildfire.

[London]

A lot of people died when the Archdemon showed up and there were far more witnesses than just a peasant. 

Obviously the news of Archdemon would also be known to AListair/Anora so the King/Queen of Ferelden would have confirmed the presence of the Archdemon.

History surrounding the deaths of the Archdemons of the past has been passed down from generation to generation.  Your warden would be part of that legacy now. 

Modifié par SebastianDA, 29 janvier 2011 - 08:00 .

[blothulfur]

They say that that dwarf is the true power behind the throne in ferelden and that queen anora is a mite too fond of his advice if you get my meaning.

Nudges, winks, nods, whistles, slaps the back of his head and raises his hat a number of times.

[Cazlee]

DR wardens: That she's happy and that her romance is still intact.

Warden Commander: That she's in the process of healing after Alistair's death (her love interest).

Ultimate Sacrifice: That she was a larger than life hero. And that her romantic interest is in the process of healing and/or is happy.

Mostly, I hope for a "happily ever after" scenario. If my warden is hurt or in danger  I'm going to be so mad at Bioware.

Modifié par Cazlee, 29 janvier 2011 - 08:22 .

[TJPags]

Black_Warden wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

If Im not mistaken (correct me if Im wrong), but don't most of the Ferelden ex-pats arrive before the collecting of the armies and battle against the archdemon?  They might not even know there was a "Hero of Ferelden" if they chose to remain in Kirkwall after they flee Ferelden

a good point, but this assumes that all of the refugees would arrive at roughly the same time. i'd imagine this isn't the case, and it wouldn't take more than a few later arrivals to the refugee camp for stories of the blight and the hero of fereldan (or even just the warden earlier in his adventure, clearing/saving the circle, essentially crowning the king of Orzammar, etc) to begin spreading like wildfire.

Honestly, I'd think the stories the refugees would be spreading like wildfire would be how horrible the DS attacks were, how horrible their journey was, how terrible the conditions during the Civil War of Ferelden, and when they might be able to find some food or get a place to live.

I'm not so sure a person who fled to another continent from murderous monsters with nothing but the clothes on their back would neceesarily be concerned with a bunch of mages living or dying, or who's in charge of Orzamar, and how that came to pass.

[TheRevanchist]

TJPags wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

If Im not mistaken (correct me if Im wrong), but don't most of the Ferelden ex-pats arrive before the collecting of the armies and battle against the archdemon?  They might not even know there was a "Hero of Ferelden" if they chose to remain in Kirkwall after they flee Ferelden

a good point, but this assumes that all of the refugees would arrive at roughly the same time. i'd imagine this isn't the case, and it wouldn't take more than a few later arrivals to the refugee camp for stories of the blight and the hero of fereldan (or even just the warden earlier in his adventure, clearing/saving the circle, essentially crowning the king of Orzammar, etc) to begin spreading like wildfire.

Honestly, I'd think the stories the refugees would be spreading like wildfire would be how horrible the DS attacks were, how horrible their journey was, how terrible the conditions during the Civil War of Ferelden, and when they might be able to find some food or get a place to live.

I'm not so sure a person who fled to another continent from murderous monsters with nothing but the clothes on their back would neceesarily be concerned with a bunch of mages living or dying, or who's in charge of Orzamar, and how that came to pass.

Indeed...

[bsbcaer]

SebastianDA wrote...

A lot of people died when the Archdemon showed up and there were far more witnesses than just a peasant. 

Obviously the news of Archdemon would also be known to AListair/Anora so the King/Queen of Ferelden would have confirmed the presence of the Archdemon.

History surrounding the deaths of the Archdemons of the past has been passed down from generation to generation.  Your warden would be part of that legacy now. 

Ok...feel free to check on my memory, because it's been a long time since I've replayed the game...However, in the first game, I remember the distinct sense that Duncan had troubles not only convincing non-wardens (such as Loghain) that a blight was in the offing, but also fellow grey wardens.  If you have so much doubt within the country that the blight is occuring, then why would you expect it to be easily accepted in other lands particularly seeing how the blight did not conform to other blights.  We, as players, know what's going on because we're given knowledge that others don't have.  Putting yourself in others shoes, removing the extra knowledge that we have, and the stories simply don't add up to the conventional knowledge of what a blight is. 

If a lot of people died when the archdemon showed up, wouldn't that logically mean less, not more, witnesses   besides (a) that was just a glib example, ( most of the ex-pats would be fleeing from just darkspawn, and © no wide world of news, so most news is going to be hearsay anyway.

On the Alistair/Anora thing...it would make sense for them to spin a story of Ferelden defeating an archdemon by itself as it would give a new nation (such as Ferelden) a sense of power and promote the nation as a power.  Even if it weren't a blight, a good politician would be selling that story just as good foreign policy (oh, you want to attack the nation that defeated a blight single handedly?  bring it on!)

[London]

You are correct that at first they had a hard time convincing anyone that there was a blight.

By the end of the story, you had the King/Queen of Denerim, the Elves or Werewolves, the Dwarves, the Circle, and Redcliff all fighting against the Archdemon. Aside from the residence/soldiers already in Denerim, that's a lot of people who saw the Archdemon and a lot of sources that would be quick to go spread news of their exploits fighting the demon. There would not only be stories about the Warden, but from all of those people who were there and survived.

Even in ancient times, news spread slower but it still spread. There were couriers. To the extent that there are any diplomatic relationships with other nations, such as the letters that arrived in Ferelden from Orlais, news of this would also spread and relatively quickly. Also note that there is a lot of trade vessels that also would be bringing news and goods from other nations.

I would say within a few months news of the blight would have reached the Free Marshes.

Denerim would not be able to take full credit for the Archdemon alone because too many other factions assisted them. Ferelden as a whole should take credit because the other countries did not send help.

In fact, we are told that news of the Blight did reach other areas, but since they did not yet think it was a real threat they made the decision not to send troops or wardens. If they knew that this much was going on, logic follows they would also be informed when the threat was over.

One of the major issues with Loghain was that he did not want to ask Orlais for help.  But obviously Denerim had the ability to communicate with Orlais and ask for help if they wanted to.  I don't think Ferelden was in a black hole that no one would ever know what happened there.

Modifié par SebastianDA, 29 janvier 2011 - 09:02 .

[Kenjimaster666]

I want to hear how awesome he was. Because he is.

[kreite]

Ok I've only gotten a few people actually answering my question, and although that is an interesting argument I wished to hear what you wanted not what you think should be.
 
sorry if I was too vague there.

[London]

What people WANT is directly related to what they think should be.



For those people who think that it doesn't make any sense for news to leave Ferelden, they wouldn't WANT that news in DA2.

[Vearsin]

Id like to hear that my warden is living happily as co ruler with anora

[kreite]

SebastianDA wrote...

What people WANT is directly related to what they think should be.

For those people who think that it doesn't make any sense for news to leave Ferelden, they wouldn't WANT that news in DA2.

fair enough, proceed.

[darrylzero]

kylecouch wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The Warden did his job...period...someone should not be praised as a hero for doing their job. Although if people like Lady Gaga are idolized for whatever moronic reason I guess doing so for a Grey Warden makes just as much sense.

They should if their job is giving their life to save the world.

Aha...but thats the thing isn't it? not every Warden does that. They decide to do a ritual which is suspisious in every way in order to avoid the cost. Such a person should not be considered a hero because they are unwilling to accept the fate they are chosen to bear.

That's assuming that anyone knows about the Dark Ritual.  Only the Wardens know what is necessary to end the blight, so only they should be suspicious.

[London]

Does anyone know how close Isabela and Zevran were? I know they knew each other; if Isabela and Zevran ran into each other again before she joined Hawke, Isabela might know some information.



Particularly if Isabela slept with the Warden, she would have personal interest even on a superficial level about what happened to him/her.



I need to replay the Isabela scene. Does Isabela even know you are a Warden in DA1, or just someone wandering around the brothels and asking for training? I really forget all of the dynamics between Isabela, the Warden, and Zevran now.

[Kenjimaster666]

SebastianDA wrote...

Does anyone know how close Isabela and Zevran were? I know they knew each other; if Isabela and Zevran ran into each other again before she joined Hawke, Isabela might know some information.

Particularly if Isabela slept with the Warden, she would have personal interest even on a superficial level about what happened to him/her.

I need to replay the Isabela scene. Does Isabela even know you are a Warden in DA1, or just someone wandering around the brothels and asking for training? I really forget all of the dynamics between Isabela, the Warden, and Zevran now.

If you have Zevran with you, he informs her and she knows that way.

If Zevran isn't with you, she happens to know.

Go figure. >_>

[deuce985]

Since all the major events will probably be talked about in DA2...I'd like to see all the "small" stuff I did.

Like releasing the demon at Warden's Keep or the demon in the Deep Roads. Killing the merchant in Lothering. Little things like that....

Maybe make a quest to kill the abomination I let loose from DA:O. Stuff like that would be cool.